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Turkvision 2020

Good morning everyone!!! Have you heard about the Turkvision 2020?? have you made the page???
to answer me, ping me pls, tank you --Esc0fans -and my 12 points go to... 13:05, 18 October 2020 (UTC) @Aris Odi:--Esc0fans -and my 12 points go to... 13:09, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

@Esc0fans: I have added some content on Turkvision 2020 to the articles Turkvision Song Contest and Germany in the Turkvision Song Contest, but have not created the article Turkvision Song Contest 2020 as all the secondary sources I have found come from Eurovoix World, so I am not sure whether the 2020 contest would be notable enough to merit an article. If there are other secondary sources found, then we can consider creating the article.  dummelaksen  (talk • contribs) 13:13, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

I was intending to fill in the scoreboard using this live stream archive from one of the Romanian broadcasters, but I noticed that TMB calculated wrong total scores for 16 out of 26 territories (enough to raise Tyumen from 24th to 4th and rob Azerbaijan of third prize). I double-checked, then I compared my table with the ones from the other wikis covering the contest and I found that the Norwegian one is currently the only correct one. They all use the wrong totals, though, and they don't explain the discrepancy. How should we treat this situation here, on the English Wikipedia? —  Andreyyshore  T  C  15:21, 24 Dec 2020 (UTC) 

I haven't looked at the information myself, but it sounds like you should be able to use the "real" totals per WP:CALC. The raw data is readily available (right?) and simple arithmetic/calculations like totaling scores would appear to be covered. Is it just the tables that are incorrect in the sources, or are you hinting that there is a mistake in the standings that no one is talking about in the sources? Grk1011 (talk) 15:34, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing me towards WP:CALC. My source for the individual points given by each juror is a video (a mirror of the official YouTube stream, which has since been made private); the other wikis are simply presenting (or trying to present) the points and the totals as they were shown during the show, without adding any note about the wrong totals and without citing any meaningful source. —  Andreyyshore  T  C  16:02, 24 Dec 2020 (UTC) 

I'm going to be bold for now: I'll add the individual scores and keep an extra column for the "official" totals. —  Andreyyshore  T  C  16:12, 24 Dec 2020 (UTC) 

Nomination for deletion of Template:ABU Song Contest 2020

Template:ABU Song Contest 2020 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page.  dummelaksen  (talk • contribs) 20:32, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for posting! Grk1011 (talk) 16:20, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Have you made the page of this edition???--Esc0fans -and my 12 points go to... 11:10, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

@Esc0fans: ABU Song Contest 2020  dummelaksen  (talk • contribs) 11:18, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

@Dummelaksen:, sorry I mean ABU TV Song Festival--Esc0fans -and my 12 points go to... 16:25, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

@Dummelaksen:, if you need it here there is the italian page (under construction)

Selection dates

I'm not sure if this has come up on other articles, but @009988aaabbbccc: and I have a disagreement over what dates should be in the "Selection date(s)" section of the Infobox on Cyprus in the Eurovision Song Contest 2021. My view is that both the article and song selection were announced on the same date, therefore that's the selection date. The other viewpoint is that since the song is not "released", then its selection date is later on. The latter appears to be how it was done in previous years. I'm not so sure it makes sense though. Thoughts? Grk1011 (talk) 16:20, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

I agree that the selection date should be the date when both the artist and song were announced. The label doesn't say "Released", it says "Selection date(s)", so it doesn't make sense for the release date of the song to be placed under that label. Perhaps, therefore, the infobox needs "Released" added in somehow, although, the song's page already covers that information anyway. Aris Odi ❯❯❯ talk 05:16, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2021 for deletion

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Nomination of Eurovision Choir 2021 for deletion

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 dummelaksen  (talk • contribs) 16:26, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

ABU tv Song Festival countries

Hi people!!! Theb page about the countries at ABU tv Song Festival are not complete. In Italina wikipedia yopu can find 3 of them complete the other i'll make it in the future (maybe)--Esc0fans -and my 12 points go to... 17:41, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Grand final vs final

In a couple of WP:Good Article reviews I've been a part of, I've had a reviewer point out the inconsistency in how we refer to the grand final. Historically, we've just called it the "final" or the "Eurovision final". Doing some research, it seems that the official name for that round of the event is "grand final"; this is what the Eurovision.tv website uses. If we agree with this, there will be a couple of templates to adjust and some minor rewording of articles. I didn't want to start wholesale making changes without having a couple more opinions on the matter. Thoughts? Grk1011 (talk) 17:09, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

@Grk1011: seems like it would be worthwhile to change it – "grand final" is less easily mistaken for "semi-final" if you're not reading carefully.  dummelaksen  (talk • contribs) 18:14, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Country in contest participation tables

User:009988aaabbbccc has recently removed the withdrawn entries from the participation tables and put them in a separate table on several country in contest articles without consulting the WikiProject. I was wondering what everyone else thinks about this new style, because I think it has merits, but it would be better if 009988aaabbbccc looked for other opinions before making mass edits.  dummelaksen  (talk • contribs) 17:57, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

A case for conductors

Hello all! As you probably noticed, I've been trying to add a section to the different tables to acknowledge conductors at the contest. My main source is Andtheconductoris.eu, which is a pretty expansive source of info regarding the contest and first-hand perspectives from conductors, contestants, and songwriters. I think the conductors are worth acknowledging since they've played such an important role in Eurovision history, and I remember feeling disappointed when the first attempts at conductor sections were all deleted. I don't see why the site is being treated as less-than-legitimate, as virtually all the information on it is easy to verify via other Eurovision websites, the Eurovision pages on this very site, and, of course, every single broadcast of the contest that's easily accessible on YouTube. If the issues are in regards to the nationalities of each conductor, that's easy to leave out, but I don't think it's fair to completely erase that aspect of Eurovision history. If there's a neater way of including this information (such as, as one user suggested, a separate table), I would be happy to discuss it. I won't add more for now (although I may continue to edit pages for national finals that featured multiple conductors where information is available and accurate, as I've done for a few from Denmark, Israel, Portugal, and Yugoslavia already), but I don't think this is an idea that should be dismissed.--BugsFan17 (talk) 16:04, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@BugsFan17: I agree that the articles should list the conductors if possible. I'm skeptical of andtheconductoris.eu because even though many of the conductors on the site can be verified with other sources, their disclaimer says "The information is provided by the editorial team and while we endeavour to keep the information up to date and correct, we make no representations or warranties of any kind, express or implied, about the completeness, accuracy, reliability, suitability or availability with respect to the website or the information, products, services, or related graphics contained on the website for any purpose." so I don't think it meets Wikipedia standards – it's unclear where the information comes from. And if we can verify the conductors are correct from other sources, why don't we just cite those sources instead? Secondary sources are preferable but primary sources like eurovision.tv or the broadcasts themselves can be used too. That's why I undid your edit – and the older lists of conductors were removed because the reliability of andtheconductoris.eu was called into question, not because anyone thought we shouldn't list the conductors.

I would also prefer if the conductors were listed in a separate list or table like they were before, so the participants table doesn't get too crowded.  dummelaksen  (talk • contribs) 16:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@Dummelaksen: All good points! I just tried a new way of formatting it on the Greece page. I think that ought to work. Plus I found a more reliable source.--BugsFan17 (talk) 20:09, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

I like it as a separate table, so thank you for doing that! Grk1011 (talk) 22:06, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Turkvision 2016/2017 Ukraine

Hi, Why for Ukraine at Turkvision 2016/2017 we have the same information of 2020? --Esc0fans -and my 12 points go to... 10:59, 26 January 2021 (UTC)