User talk:Jingiby

Serbia

Jongiby, not sure if you saw but the blocked ediotr added back the 7th century foundation part again before your edit [Here]. Would it not be tagged dubious also?

Bulgarian occupation of Macedonia in World War 2

Hm I think I read here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgaria_during_World_War_II#Occupation_in_Thrace_and_Macedonia that Bulgaria occupied Macedonia in World War 2? Or are all the Bulgarians just plain dumb and idiots?

April 2021

I think your editing on pazardzhik is causing misunderstanding and confusion. Turkish-speaking roma should be included in the roma category like Bulgarian-speaking roma. Putting Muslim roma as the explanation of the Turkish people means completely ignoring people who are ethnically Turks. Please let's make these distinctions well so as not to cause confusion. Thank you. Estella0011 (talk) 20:43, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

your edits cause confusion

I think your editing on Pazardzhik is causing misunderstanding and confusion. Turkish-speaking roma should be included in the roma category like Bulgarian-speaking roma. Putting Muslim roma as the explanation of the Turkish people means completely ignoring people who are ethnically Turks. Please let's make these distinctions well so as not to cause confusion. Thank you. Estella0011 (talk) 20:50, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi, please respect the sources provided on article's talk page. They clearly explain the Turish Gypsies in Pazardzhik are not a Turks but were counted as such on the last census. Your personal opinion is not so important there. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 03:59, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

sources don't verify your edit

Sources don't verify your edit on [ [ Pazardzhik] ]. I see that some groups in Romani neighborhoods see themselves as Turks. The groups mentioned in the sources do not include people who do not reside in gypsy quarters and are ethnically Turkish. The information in the sources does not exactly match the editing you made. My goal is not to dictate my personal opinions, I just think that obvious confusion should be avoided. Thanks. Estella0011 (talk) 12:56, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi, there is no reliable source confirming the presence of native Turks in Pazardzhik in the last 50 years. There is only significant Romany community with different, often fluctuating self-identity, including Turkish one. May you provide some scientific researches confirming your claims? Jingiby (talk) 13:07, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Early Slavs

This is rather obnoxious, you deleted an image which clearly says "BOLGAR and SCLAVIGI", the only thing you are correct on is that there was no date written in the image description, then you proceeded submit the image for deletion despite the fact that it is a sketch of the original tile [1]. --E-960 (talk) 14:58, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

• You need to drop this deletion request, the exact sketch you want to delete can be founds in a reliable reference source, here: [2]! --E-960 (talk) 15:34, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Ok. This is another story. Jingiby (talk) 15:39, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

"However the presence of Bulgars and Slavs on it is dubious", I'm not sure where you are getting this from, so the tile has an inscription saying "BOLGAR" and "SCLAVIGI" yet you are writing in the image caption that the depiction on the tile of Bulgars and Slavs is dubious? Seriously... the source presents this as a whole tile, yet you are inserting POV and alleging that these are separated tiles (a unfounded claim which is going against the sources provided). --E-960 (talk) 16:42, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

E-960 have you read the text I pointed: As most notable, in front of the ``Bulgar`s`` horse from the left side of the photo of the composition, a tale of another horse is clearly visible (not showed on the drawing), which means that the composition continued with another horseman on the right, and therefore, the side with the ``bulgars`` and the side with the ``sclavenes`` could not be parts of a same relief. Not even the bow of the lower, ``sclavene`` archer is visible as well. The name ``SCLAVIGI`` is also very problematic, since, according to the photo, only the first letters (SC) could be read for sure. The inscription SC is actually a part of SCS (short for SANCTUS), an inscription attested on most of the other representations of the saints from the terracotas. That’s why, we believe that the right, ``sclavenes`` part is an Old Testament battle, and has nothing in common with the Slavs. The left, ``Bulgar`` part is also problematic for being recognized as the oldest representation of the Bulgarians. First of all, the inscription starts with the cross, and even if we know that the cross is pointing the beginning of the inscriptions, it`s religious role, as invocation of God, could not be excluded, and there is no logic for being stamped in front of the name of the Bulgar`s marauders. The representation of the ``Bulgarian khan Kuber`` is not even by chance typical just for Bulgarians – his sword, recognized as ``Bulgarian sword – handzar`` has much more in common with the late antique gladius or spata swords (fig. 14), than with the preserved early medieval swords attested on Bulgarian territory. The name Bolgar (and the inscription probably continued on the other, destroyed side) is also untypical for the oldest preserved sources about Bulgarians – they are always called B/Vulgares by the Latins, or Βουλγάρων by the Byzantines, but never as Bolgar. Therefore, there is a big lack of arguments to identify those horsemen as Bulgarians. Jingiby (talk) 16:52, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I see, I've added a note in the image caption, which implies this is not a universal view. The drawing is according to Balabanov, however Gjorgjievski thinks this is not correct. This would not be the first time scholars disagree. However, Balabanov is a reliable source, so you simply can't dismiss it or say it's wrong. --E-960 (talk) 17:09, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

E-960, I'm not sure which one is right, but this tile is quite mysterious. Regards. Jingiby (talk) 17:23, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

ANI notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved, see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#About_user_Jingiby. Thank you. Jerm (talk) 18:17, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 18:21, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Edits

Hello, on the edit I made, how is it not an improvement when Arabic and Turkish music are all part of middle eastern music? Ashjk89 (talk) 20:30, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Ashjk89, because Middle Eastern music is broader term and encompasses not only not Arabic and Turkish music. Jingiby (talk) 04:40, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Question

Hello, why did I get my edit removed? There was no source supporting the first statement and there are no reliable sources supporting the rest of the statements, one of the references talks about Belgrade which is a city in Serbia and has nothing to do with what is being said. You are letting false information with no reliable sources to back it up, sit on this website & it is not okay. I’m not trying to be “disruptive” or anything I just don’t want people reading inaccurate information, why can’t it be removed until better & true info is provided? Gfevv777 (talk) 05:53, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Editors are expected to treat each other with respect and civility. On this encyclopedia project, editors assume good faith while interacting with other editors. Here is Wikipedia's welcome page, and it is hoped that you will assume the good faith of other editors and continue to help us improve Wikipedia! Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 06:16, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes I agree, I was just trying to help because (I assume your Bulgarian) I am as well and i wasn’t trying to be disruptive like you said, I want to protect Bulgaria’s history, food, and etc because I’ve noticed a lot of false information and I don’t want people reading inaccurate info about Bulgaria. Bulgaria doesn’t have any traditional food with influence from Austro-Hungarian Empire, of France, of Italy. And for the Ayran, Gyuvech, moussaka they do not come from Ottoman cuisine and there was no actual source supporting it in there. Moussaka actually originated in the Middle East and spread throughout many countries due to ottoman. It’s said that there has been Ayran in Bulgaria before Ottoman Empire, and Gyuvech is pure Bulgarian food with a most likely a Thracian origin, the Gyuvech may derive from a Turkish word but keep in mind that due to the Ottoman Empire, names got exchanged and borrowed but the food remains the same. I asked a Turk if he knows what Gyuvech is and he said he has no idea and he even searched it up, he said it’s not really Turkish food, they might have it in the European part of Turkey which is Thrace, and it most likely came from Thracians. And it makes sense since Gyuvech gets its name from the pot it’s cooked in (they both share the same name & Turks changed the name because of Ottoman) but Gyuvech has always been originally called the Thracian Clay pot. Therefore I’m sorry if it seemed like I was trying to disrupt anything, but I don’t want the history nor food of my country erased of its true origin and claimed by other nations, I hope you understand. Gfevv777 (talk) 06:36, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia works based on sources, not on personal opinions. Jingiby (talk) 06:38, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

And for moussaka if you look into the original moussaka from the Middle East, and the Bulgarian musaka they look nothing a like and have all most nothing in common. But I can guarantee that those foods do not come from Ottoman Turks. Turkish food and music is made up of Balkan and Middle Eastern food and music, not to mention that Turks lost almost all their Turkic culture & got influence from Balkans and Middle East & borrowed many foods from the countries they conquered & changed the names of those foods. Therefore I believe that history should be removed till better and actual information is found :) Gfevv777 (talk) 06:42, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes I understand that but the statement I removed seemed to be based off of personal opinions as well. There was no reliable source supporting it therefore how do we know it’s true Gfevv777 (talk) 06:44, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

And mine is not really an opinion, others had been noticing this too. Gfevv777 (talk) 06:45, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Also it’s pretty obvious that Austro-Hungarian Empire, France, Italy, have no influence on Bulgarian food. I suggest removing history till better information is found but if you don’t agree then I can’t really do anything about it, hopefully you think it through.... :) Gfevv777 (talk) 06:49, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Do not disrupt this article. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 06:50, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

I am not disrupting? I thought we were supposed to talk in out in the talk page Gfevv777 (talk) 06:58, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

The statement that is under history is based off of someones opinion with no reliable sources to support it especially the “Austro-Hungarian Empire, France, Italy” part but okay... Gfevv777 (talk) 07:00, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello Jingiby, thank you for your instructions and efforts to make Wikipedia a better place. I am new here and from now on will use sources/commentaries when editing some article. Have a great day! - ButtersIO

Hi, User:ButtersIO. The Albanian language is used as co-official along with Macedonian in the municipalities where speakers of Albanian consists at least 20% of the population or more. Jingiby (talk) 12:57, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for that information Jingiby but there is no source linked on page nor new census to confirm that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ButtersIO (talk • contribs) 13:03, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Jigsby again thank you for your great interest for making Wikipedia a better place. I added my source and I also live near Petrovec, it shouldn't be allowed for people with foreign IP to edit pages that they are not competent in, like User:Alltan. Please scan his history; he doesn't use sources and promotes nationalism, homophobia and radicalism.