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Hi @A.A._Prinon -- I like to send Wiki-food to thank anyone who has stopped by my pages to try and help me out. :) I'm not too knowledgeable about cricket, but you have fun. :-) Have you ever tried rock balancing there? I used to find rocks to balance in between my class schedule -- it's a nice way to let go of stress and build concentration. :) If you find a few little stones, give it a try! "Know that in this moment, you are worthy. You are enough." ~Travis Ruskus, pg. 145 in "The Rock Balancer's Guide: Discover the Mindful Art of Balance." [[User:Follow.your.inner.heroes.2.the.work.you.love.2021|Follow.your.inner.heroes.2.the.work.you.love.2021]] ([[User talk:Follow.your.inner.heroes.2.the.work.you.love.2021|talk]]) 06:30, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi @A.A._Prinon -- I like to send Wiki-food to thank anyone who has stopped by my pages to try and help me out. :) I'm not too knowledgeable about cricket, but you have fun. :-) Have you ever tried rock balancing there? I used to find rocks to balance in between my class schedule -- it's a nice way to let go of stress and build concentration. :) If you find a few little stones, give it a try! "Know that in this moment, you are worthy. You are enough." ~Travis Ruskus, pg. 145 in "The Rock Balancer's Guide: Discover the Mindful Art of Balance." [[User:Follow.your.inner.heroes.2.the.work.you.love.2021|Follow.your.inner.heroes.2.the.work.you.love.2021]] ([[User talk:Follow.your.inner.heroes.2.the.work.you.love.2021|talk]]) 06:30, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

==Unblock me==
{{unblock reviewed|accept=As per the below comments|1=Hello, admins. I was actually blocked on 2 June 2021 from editing for a period of 31 hours. In this meantime, I have reviewed [[WP:POLICYLIST|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]] and realized the reason why I am blocked. I understand that I was blocked because I had involved in harassment and war of words with an editor. At this point, when I am realizing that my behaviour was unethical, I have nothing to do but to apologise. I wholeheartedly apologise for losing my temper and behaving in such a way that is against Wikipedia's policies. Lugnuts, if you are viewing this page, then I would like to apologise you for my acts, and hope that you will forgive me for my immoral activity. I am completely ashamed to the whole community for the behaviour I presented. I have been blocked in order to prevent these behaviours. But now I think that the block is not necessary because I understand my mistake and I understand how to avoid these mistakes in the future. I am just making an unblock request because I am very willing to make productive contributions to Wikipedia especially to Cricket and related areas. I would like to request everyone not to misunderstand me, I am not here to destroy Wikipedia, I wish to work here towards one goal and that is to improve the Wikipedia. Now, I don't care how Lugnuts behaved with me, or how others behaviour is, but I realise that my behaviour was completely unexpected and unacceptable, and I should not have presented it.

I have been a volunteer on Wikipedia for more than 6 months. In these 6 months time, I have made many mistakes and errors, but it is more a truth that I have made more than 3000 useful contributions and created more than 40 articles. So, I think that in response to my contributions, I, at least deserve a second or last chance for my mistake. I promise that I will never involve in any war of words with Lugnuts or any other editors, and also promise not to use uncivil edit summaries.
{{ping|Girth Summit}} or any other admins: I hope you believe I'm being sincere here. What else can I say? My latest block log clearly shows a block for a personal attack. What reassurances can I give? I can just give you 100% assurance that this will not happen again. I will try my best to maintain a cordial relationship with every editors, avoiding all types hostility behaviour, which will help me not to repeat these type of mistakes again.

Yesterday, Girth Summit blocked me indefinitely thinking that I was finding ways to continue the harassment process. But as I told earlier, I negate this thought. I am very willing not to continue this behaviour. I would argue that the issue has ceased, with issues resolved, with a promise of this not continuing with any other editor. Thanks and hope to get some positive response. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">&mdash;[[User:A.A Prinon|<span style="background:#0000CD;color:gold;"><b>&nbsp;A.A Prinon&nbsp;</b></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:A.A Prinon|<span style="color:#006400">'''Leave a dialogue'''</span>]]</sup></span> 05:50, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
:Swearing by [[Allah]], I promise that I will not continue this behaviour again. If I get unblocked and start this unicivil attitude again, then simply please be free to block me for good. Thanks. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">&mdash;[[User:A.A Prinon|<span style="background:#0000CD;color:gold;"><b>&nbsp;A.A Prinon&nbsp;</b></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:A.A Prinon|<span style="color:#006400">'''Leave a dialogue'''</span>]]</sup></span> 06:28, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

I also request admins to hide the edit summaries I used in those articles. As I have realized my mistake, I will have no objection if you permanently hide those edit summaries. Thanks. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">&mdash;[[User:A.A Prinon|<span style="background:#0000CD;color:gold;"><b>&nbsp;A.A Prinon&nbsp;</b></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:A.A Prinon|<span style="color:#006400">'''Leave a dialogue'''</span>]]</sup></span> 07:23, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

I would like to say again I want myself to be provided another chance so that I can earn back the trust of the [[WP:COM|Wikipedia community]]. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">&mdash;[[User:A.A Prinon|<span style="background:#0000CD;color:gold;"><b>&nbsp;A.A Prinon&nbsp;</b></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:A.A Prinon|<span style="color:#006400">'''Leave a dialogue'''</span>]]</sup></span> 11:42, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
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{{ping|Liz}} You are also an admin and I have interacted with you many times. I have known about [[WP:FRIEND|Twinkle]] from you, and learnt how to tag pages for deletion, when you posted me a message [[User talk:A.A Prinon/Archives/2021/March#Tagging pages for deletion|here]]. So, I am pinging you if you could give some time to review this request. Thanks. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">&mdash;[[User:A.A Prinon|<span style="background:#0000CD;color:gold;"><b>&nbsp;A.A Prinon&nbsp;</b></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:A.A Prinon|<span style="color:#006400">'''Leave a dialogue'''</span>]]</sup></span> 07:00, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

I read the discussion with {{u|Girth Summit}} above. Are you able to make contributions to articles outside of cricket? I think I could consider discussing an unblock with other admins if you stay away from editing cricket pages until you can build some trust back. '''[[User:Sasquatch|Sasquatch]]''' [[User_talk:Sasquatch|t]]&#0124;[[Special:Contributions/Sasquatch|c]] 19:59, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|Sasquatch}} Sorry, I am late to response. Yes, I can stay away from cricket articles, but it will surely be very difficult for me. As I have said earlier, I want myself to be provided a second chance. I promise that I won't harass any editor, or either stalk anyone's edits for causing annoy from now on (even I will not do these if I am angry on someone). You can unblock me with a one-month trial, if you see me repeating these behaviours, you have the ability to re-block me. This is the first time I am blocked because of harassment or personal attacks, so I think I [[WP:ROPE|deserve a second or last chance]]. When I first came to know that I was blocked, I was confused about what my mistake actually was, as I am a relatively new user. But at one period of time, I understood that [[Special:Diff/1031600786|this]] and [[Special:Diff/1031602429|this]] were really unacceptable edit summaries. I promise that I will never engage in any edit-warring with Lugnuts or any users. If I am confused about the mistake in my edit, I will politely discuss in the appropriate talk page or the talk page of the relevant WikiProject. This will help me not to repeat those mistakes. I will just make an edit to any article whenever I receive any latest news about it, I will not edit any article by targeting any user or by stalking their edits. Moreover, the reason it's difficult for me to stay away from cricket is- I have two cricket articles nominated for Featured list, and one cricket article awaiting GA review. So, I have to work on those. In addition, I have recently created an article [[2021 Arachas Super T20 Trophy]], which is a cricket competition currently being held in Ireland. As this is an ongoing minor cricket event, I as the page creator have to update the match details, as anyone else probably won't update it. Whatever I edit, I assure you that I will never hound anyone's edits, try my best not to interact with them. So, I request you to think about the idea I am giving, before going to any decision. And as I am ashamed of my behaviour, I am requesting to hide those edit summaries, please hide those stupid edit summaries by me.
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:And Lugnuts, you have told me not to ping you, so I am not pinging you. But if you are reading these messages, then please edit my talk page for the last time to state if you have accepted my apology or not. I hope that you won't take it more personally. Thanks. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">&mdash;[[User:A.A Prinon|<span style="background:#0000CD;color:gold;"><b>&nbsp;A.A Prinon&nbsp;</b></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:A.A Prinon|<span style="color:#006400">'''Leave a dialogue'''</span>]]</sup></span> 05:53, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

{{re|Sasquatch}}/A.A Prinon: I'm not a vindictive person, and see some encouraging signs in the unblock request. Per my [[Special:Diff/1031738475|last edit here]], Prinon is already under conditions of a [[WP:ER/UC|final warning]], albeit for abusing multiple accounts. Instead of a topic-ban from ''all'' cricket-related articles, prehaps the best solution is a ban from international cricket tours, such as pages linked directly from [[International cricket in 2021]] and other international seasons, for example. This would help this user to avoid any future potentional harassment issues. On the plus side, they seem to have done some good work in the FA/GA area. This is an area of work I seldom get involved in, apart from a few trinkets atop my userpage. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<font color="002bb8">Lugnuts</font>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Fire Walk with Me]]</sup> 09:38, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|Lugnuts}}, A bundle of thanks to you for replying here which makes me believe that you have probably forgiven me. And about cricket tours, yes I know that I was in a dispute with you regarding some cricket tours such as- [[Bangladeshi cricket team in New Zealand in 2021–22]] and [[Dutch cricket team in South Africa in 2021–22]]. But you have to remember that I was completely new editor during the creation of those articles. However, you must have noticed that despite all those disputes, I have been creating cricket tour articles, as at one time I understood the complicated policies of [[WP:CRYSTAL]] and [[WP:NSPORTSEVENT]]. In line with those policies, you have noticed that I have created some articles recently- [[2021–22 National Cricket League]], [[2021–22 Bangladesh Cricket League]], [[2021 Arachas Super T20 Trophy]], [[Netherlands A cricket team in Ireland in 2021]], [[South Africa A cricket team in Zimbabwe in 2021]], [[Australian cricket team in Pakistan in 2021–22]], [[New Zealand cricket team in Pakistan in 2021–22]] and [[Sri Lankan cricket team in Bangladesh in 2021–22]]. And you have not draftified or redirected any of these mentioned articles, which makes me believe that these all pass the notability criteria. I though agree that creating international tour articles are more difficult than creating articles about domestic competitions or "A" team tours.
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:So, it is overall difficult for me to stay away from cricket. And I am a bit younger as a Wikipedian, so if I edit articles related to national affairs or politics, it will not appear normal, I have vast knowledge about cricket, so I edit about this topic (and you might know the people of my native are very passionate about cricket, even if you ask a farmer of this country about cricket, he will be able to answer all). Thanks and Best. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">&mdash;[[User:A.A Prinon|<span style="background:#0000CD;color:gold;"><b>&nbsp;A.A Prinon&nbsp;</b></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:A.A Prinon|<span style="color:#006400">'''Leave a dialogue'''</span>]]</sup></span> 09:58, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
::Also, note that I recently created an article [[2021 Bangladeshi cricket season]] which is perhaps capable for GA status. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">&mdash;[[User:A.A Prinon|<span style="background:#0000CD;color:gold;"><b>&nbsp;A.A Prinon&nbsp;</b></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:A.A Prinon|<span style="color:#006400">'''Leave a dialogue'''</span>]]</sup></span> 10:04, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

::Thank you for your feedback, {{u|Lugnuts}}. I think for now, it would be fair to implement your suggestion. To be crystal clear, {{u|A.A Prinon}}, this would be a conditional unblock subject to a subject ban as follows:
:::User is topic banned from all pages on international cricket tours, broadly construed, including such tours listed in [[International cricket in 2021]] or any other year.
::Is that clear enough for you, {{u|A.A Prinon}}? You would be free to edit other pages related to cricket, including cricket players and domestic tours, but you need to start showing some maturity. Please be very careful as violation of this condition could lead to another indefinite block. If it looks like you would be stepping into this topic ban at all, I would avoid editing the page directly and make a requested edit on the talk page. I will check in on the blocking admin if there are any other concerns, but I am otherwise satisfied that this represents a reasonable solution. {{u|Lugnuts}}, I assume you no longer feel the need for any sort of interaction ban at this point? '''[[User:Sasquatch|Sasquatch]]''' [[User_talk:Sasquatch|t]]&#0124;[[Special:Contributions/Sasquatch|c]] 17:21, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

::Thanks Sasquatch - yes, happy with all that, including the need for no i-ban as of now. Thanks again. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<font color="002bb8">Lugnuts</font>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Fire Walk with Me]]</sup> 17:24, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Sasquatch}} Yes, I agree to accept a topic ban from all pages on international tours. But, as you said, I can edit and create pages related to '''domestic competitions''', cricketers, cricket teams (either international or domestic), cricket grounds and cricket lists. However the confusion I am having is- Can I edit articles related to ''''A team tours"' such as- [[South Africa A cricket team in Zimbabwe in 2021]], because A team tours are not actually international tours, those are just second tier tours. So, as I didn't have enough dispute with {{u|Lugnuts}} regarding A team tours, I think I will be able to edit those, right? And I also think that I will be able to edit pages related to cricket seasons, such as [[2021 Bangladeshi cricket season]] etc. It will be helpful for me if you or Lugnuts inform me about this. Thanks. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">&mdash;[[User:A.A Prinon|<span style="background:#0000CD;color:gold;"><b>&nbsp;A.A Prinon&nbsp;</b></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:A.A Prinon|<span style="color:#006400">'''Leave a dialogue'''</span>]]</sup></span> 02:52, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
:::If anyone could look at this during the morning (BD time) I'd be grateful. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">&mdash;[[User:A.A Prinon|<span style="background:#0000CD;color:gold;"><b>&nbsp;A.A Prinon&nbsp;</b></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:A.A Prinon|<span style="color:#006400">'''Leave a dialogue'''</span>]]</sup></span> 03:21, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
::::Please review our guidance at [[Wikipedia:Banning_policy#Topic_ban]]. I would request that you stay away from any cricket pages that have an international tour aspect for now. You have seriously violated the community's trust and we can revisit this topic once you have shown that you have the maturity to contribute positively. I would interpret the topic ban to include A team tours or any international tours for now, whether Lugnuts was involved in editing those pages or not. You may edit articles on team seasons except where it infringes into international tours of any sort. If you come across any situation where you think you are confused as to whether you are violating the topic ban, please use [[Wikipedia:Edit requests|edit requests]] on the talk page of the article. None of us have the time provide you specific guidance on every situation and part of building the trust back up is showing that you have the restraint to understand our policies and proper on-wiki interaction. Is that clear enough? '''[[User:Sasquatch|Sasquatch]]''' [[User_talk:Sasquatch|t]]&#0124;[[Special:Contributions/Sasquatch|c]] 07:03, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
{{Ping|Sasquatch}} Yes, I will surely try to rebuild the trust of the community. But, Lugnuts generally don't edit articles related to A team tours. So, I think I will be able to edit those. And yes, if it's urgent for me to edit any international tours' articles, I will make an edit request until I can regain the trust of everyone. Thanks and now please unblock me as it is now clear enough for me. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">&mdash;[[User:A.A Prinon|<span style="background:#0000CD;color:gold;"><b>&nbsp;A.A Prinon&nbsp;</b></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:A.A Prinon|<span style="color:#006400">'''Leave a dialogue'''</span>]]</sup></span> 07:17, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
:Is that really your interpretation of what I just told you? '''[[User:Sasquatch|Sasquatch]]''' [[User_talk:Sasquatch|t]]&#0124;[[Special:Contributions/Sasquatch|c]] 07:23, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
::{{ping|Sasquatch}} Please do not misunderstand me. I clearly understand your words. You have advised me to stay away from any international tours including A team tours. I just wanted to ask if I will be able to edit those, as those aren't edited by Lugnuts. But as you have advised, I'm happy to adheare to the topic ban, will not edit any article related to international tours, until I regain the trust of Wikipedians. Thanks. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">&mdash;[[User:A.A Prinon|<span style="background:#0000CD;color:gold;"><b>&nbsp;A.A Prinon&nbsp;</b></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:A.A Prinon|<span style="color:#006400">'''Leave a dialogue'''</span>]]</sup></span> 07:35, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
:::Ok, sounds good. I will unblock. Once you have spent some time making good edits and showing positive interactions, the topic ban can be re-visited by making a post on [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard]]. I would not do so for at least 6 months. '''[[User:Sasquatch|Sasquatch]]''' [[User_talk:Sasquatch|t]]&#0124;[[Special:Contributions/Sasquatch|c]] 07:42, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


== Request on 08:19:50, 11 July 2021 for assistance on [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|AfC]] submission by Abrish Naz ==
== Request on 08:19:50, 11 July 2021 for assistance on [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|AfC]] submission by Abrish Naz ==

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Some falafel for you!

:-) Hope you do well on your finals. Editing Wikipedia sounds like something fun to do while you're in college. Have fun with cricket, and if you get a chance -- check out rock balancing (that's fun too!) :-) There's lots of different youtube videos out there by different people, showing how it's done. It's personally brought me peace and relaxation. Take care of yourself, peace out. Follow.your.inner.heroes.2.the.work.you.love.2021 (talk) 06:12, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Follow.your.inner.heroes.2.the.work.you.love.2021: Thanks for the message, really means a lot. I never interacted with you, wondering how you came to know me. This is the first time anyone has left me a Wikilove message, thanks for it and I would like to welcome to contribute to the Cricket Project.  A.A Prinon  Leave a dialogue 06:14, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @A.A._Prinon -- I like to send Wiki-food to thank anyone who has stopped by my pages to try and help me out. :) I'm not too knowledgeable about cricket, but you have fun. :-) Have you ever tried rock balancing there? I used to find rocks to balance in between my class schedule -- it's a nice way to let go of stress and build concentration. :) If you find a few little stones, give it a try! "Know that in this moment, you are worthy. You are enough." ~Travis Ruskus, pg. 145 in "The Rock Balancer's Guide: Discover the Mindful Art of Balance." Follow.your.inner.heroes.2.the.work.you.love.2021 (talk) 06:30, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 08:19:50, 11 July 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Abrish Naz


Hi - please review [1] . I added more strong references, hope it will be ok and fine, respected sir kindly approve.

Abrish Naz (talk) 08:19, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Abrish Naz, This draft has recently been declined by another reviewer. You can leave them a message at User talk:Theroadislong for help. Thanks.  A.A Prinon  Leave a dialogue 08:51, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

July 2021

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You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for contravening Wikipedia's harassment policy.
If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Sasquatch t|c 18:04, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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To be clear, I have carefully reviewed your edits and it appears you are doing the what Girth Summit warned you about not doing. By no means am I saying Lugnuts acted perfectly, but the unblock was conditioned on the premise that you understood what you were being told but it does not appear you entirely do. After looking at the interaction timelines and your past behavior, it appears you are primarily the one being disruptive here. Sasquatch t|c 18:07, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sasquatch, This time I had not harassed any editor or made any personal attacks. I was not really stalking. But yes the interaction may give the impression that I was stalking. From the next time, I will be careful if Lugnuts has edited any page recently or not. I will be more careful from the next time. Please give me a last chance. From the next time I will not make such a edit that gives the impression of stalking. Please give me the last chance. thanks  A.A Prinon  Leave a dialogue 02:14, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I am also a human. Lugnuts just provided a few diffs and those few diffs just makes you believe that I am stalking. So, it was also difficult me to ensure that I would be accused of stalking if edited those pages. But next time I will be more careful. In this one week just my few edits are overlaps. From the next time I will also try to avoid overlaps. And this time I also hadn't made any personal attacks. So, please unblock me.  A.A Prinon  Leave a dialogue 02:18, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I would also like to oppose some of the diffs. I edited here because the player recently appeared in the one-off Test match against Bangladesh. He made his debut in the match and scored 87 runs, which was the highest score by a Zimbabwean opener on Test debut, but it wasn't mentioned in the article. So, I included something more as it was a significant record. And here I edited because Mahmudullah recently announced his retirement from Test cricket. So, anyone can edit it to correct a mistake it doesn't mean that I was stalking. And before Lugnuts edited the page Shadman Islam, I had edited the page. As I have told earlier, I save page into watchlist after editing, so I got notified when Lugnuts had edited the page. I completely oppose this edit. Anuradha Doddaballapur got his call-up for the recently concluded series France women's cricket team in Germany in 2021. And she was the highest wicket-taker and the player of the series. But, it wasn't described in the article, so I edited that article. I didn't even know that this article was recently edited by Lugnuts.
Apart from this, WP:HOUNDING clearly states, This is with an apparent aim of creating irritation, annoyance, or distress to the other editor. Hounding usually involves following the target from place to place on Wikipedia. But I haven't caused them any annoyance or distress, so how can it be harassment? Ok, I will also stop saving pages into watchlist for 1 week, as there is accusations on stalking. I will notice if it was recently edited by Lugnuts or not. It is obvious that I was really not stalking after being unblocked. But this time I will try my best to avoid those acts which gives the impression of stalking.  A.A Prinon  Leave a dialogue 02:59, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Re, your email, I have no intention on unblocking based on what I saw in your interactions after you were unblocked. Sasquatch t|c 20:32, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sasquatch: Have you even read my full message before giving this absurd reply. I would like to remind again- This is not like that I have shown a sudden interest in editing the given pages after Lugnuts edited those. I have been making such types of edits for a long time. Let me show some related edits without any close interactions with Lugnuts in the recent past. See Special:Diff/1032869756, here also I have edited the page after the player had scored a century based on the recent match report. Other examples include- See this diff, this, this, this, this, this, this and this diff. All these edits were about updating players' recent match performance (such as scored a century or took 5 wickets) or call-ups to the national team in different tournaments. And the pages had not been edited by Lugnuts (recently) before I edited. So, you have to believe that I have been making these type of edits for a long time. Thus, how can it be hounding? I have not followed their edits around and found pages to edit, rather I was always making these types of edits.
And regarding retirements or coaching, I have also always been updating BLP articles, who have been appointed as the coach of the team or have announced retirement, as you can see the full list here and here.
Also, you are still ignoring the fact that you are a bit WP:INVOLVED. Why are you not willing to discuss the matter.  A.A Prinon  Leave a dialogue 05:53, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]