User talk:Bilorv

Question From Kennethmank13

Hi i have a question i believe i recieved an article review from you and it was declined, if you could help me with what needs to be fixed that would be really great. Bilorv — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kennethmank13 (talk • contribs) 14:26, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Kennethmank13! New discussions go at the bottom of talk pages—there should be a "New section" button that'll put it in the right place automatically. On talk pages, you end comments with four tildes (~~~~) to produce a signature. I'm guessing you're talking about Draft:Tex Brown (Season 1). Have you seen the comment I wrote, beneath the two decline templates? What particular thing is confusing you? — Bilorv (talk) 14:32, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Oh Yes I have, So you told me 1st i believe that 1st any information should be moved from the split season to the main article and that if needed, There can be a split article created for the season, So I Added The information from The Draft Season To The main Tex Brown Article. But what was the other issue, So it can be corrected. Bilorv — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kennethmank13 (talk • contribs) 17:14, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

@Kennethmank13: remember to sign your comments. It looks to me like you've done everything I suggested. A page is only split into multiple pages when it's too big to contain all the information, but here the page Tex Brown is still not very large. If more information is added and it became maybe double or triple the size it is now, then a split could be considered. Thanks for your contributions! — Bilorv (talk) 20:00, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Ok Thank You!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kennethmank13 (talk • contribs) 05:38, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Re:Into the Unknown: Making Frozen II

Thanks for your concerns on Into the Unknown: Making Frozen II, the article which a nominated for Good article a few days ago. I apologize for not consulting the article with a significant contributor. To resolve the issues, would you like me to withdraw my GAN? The tasks listed in the GAN are almost done and are awaiting reviews. What do you think? Wingwatchers (talk) 05:28, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

@Wingwatchers: no I think you can go ahead with the GAN. I think the article is around GA standard and if a reviewer agrees then that's great. — Bilorv (talk) 07:52, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

FAC question

Hello again. I hope you are doing well. I have a quick FAC-related question. My FAC has already attracted a good deal of support (and thank you again for your support) and an image/media review. It is only missing a source review. I do not mean to come across as impatient as I am sure someone will do a source review, but I was wondering if there was anything that I could to find a source reviewer? I am just a little frustrated by the lack of progress over the past few days. Aoba47 (talk) 05:49, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

@Aoba47: yeah, I think there've been relatively few people recently who want to do source reviews. The FAC is already listed at Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates#Image/source check requests and short of asking someone personally "would you mind doing a source review here?", I don't think you can speed anything up. I'm pretty sure something with this much support is (almost) never closed because of a missing source review—when worst comes to worst, I've seen a co-ordinator do the review themselves and then close the nomination as successful (though that's quite a generous thing to do). — Bilorv (talk) 10:47, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

• Thank you for your response. I agree that there appear to be relatively few people who do source reviews for the FACs. I can understand why to some extent as it does take time and work to do a source review correctly. I will try to be more patient with it and let the process run its course. I should try to help out with source reviews for FAC so the responsibility does not always come down on the same editors. Have a great week! Aoba47 (talk) 18:02, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Question from Clamorhouse (22:16, 20 July 2021)

Hi, I need to post a biography for a client. Is there a tutorial page for that type of article?

THANKS! --Clamorhouse (talk) 22:16, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

@Clamorhouse: please read the Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. You need to disclose your conflict of interest in the ways described there. Wikipedia is neutral, so we do not post adverts or hagiographies. We only cover topics which meet our "notability" definition. If you show me the reliable independent in-depth references you have then I can give you a good estimate as to whether the topic is notable.

Your client should know that the article about them is not under their control, will reflect any negative information about them that is public, cannot be deleted if they don't like it and conversely can be deleted if the community decides that the subject is not notable. Instructions about how to properly disclose your conflict of interest and, if you still wish to, to create a draft that can be assessed by an independent volunteer are found at link in the first sentence. Hope this answers your question. — Bilorv (talk) 01:51, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Harry Potter characters' infobox (house)

Hi there, I have a question regarding the house of Harry Potter characters displayed in the infobox. A week ago an IP user made an edit request at the talk page of Sirius Black, which I completed making this edit. As you would've seen that he/she made one more request pinging me there, I wanted to take some guidance from any experienced editor. Please note that I want help in knowing whether making same changes on all the characters' pages would be right or not, and not in how to do it. Thank you. -ink&fables «talk» 13:06, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

@-ink&fables: thanks for asking! In this case, it really does seem like it's an objective improvement—it is in-universe information. Some people might object to the parameter altogether, or its inclusion in some articles (like where the House is less important, as for adult characters we encounter outside of Hogwarts), but you wouldn't be changing this. I think there's no problem with going around this and doing this for up to a few dozen pages (however many it applies to), marking the edits as minor if you want. If someone starts reverting you or objects, then it needs discussion, but I'd say Be Bold applies. If you don't have the time/interest yourself, you can ask the IP to make edit requests on the protected pages and fix any unprotected pages by themselves. — Bilorv (talk) 14:58, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for a quick reply. I'll do it by myself, there are less than 20 characters who have their own wikipedia article. -ink&fables «talk» 15:26, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Approving draft: Advitya (film)

Kindly approve the page. These are well known news papers in India. Assameseboy (talk) 09:10, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

@Assameseboy: you resubmitted this draft with no changes since the previous decline. That's very rude, because you're ignoring the time someone volunteered in order to give you feedback, and it seems like you don't have an interest in working collaboratively or learning the rules our community has.

The majority of sources you gave are either not independent of the subject—interviews with cast & crew fall into this category—or do not go beyond routine coverage, such as saying "this film will be released and will star..." The easiest way for a film article to show notability is to demonstrate the first condition of WP:NFO: this way, you have to wait until the film is actually released and then give two reviews by well-respected critics. The only non-routine source you have is a review in Purbodix, but I can't see how this website is well-known because I can't find any other instances of it being used on the English Wikipedia; I don't see why it's reliable because it doesn't say much on its "Editorial" or "Contact" pages about its corrections policy, fact-checking methods and whether its writers are all professional staff. — Bilorv (talk) 09:44, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

So far I have mentioned all the present news website links that I have found in Google. Please do not mind for that I resubmitted the page. Well now I understood that the page requires more trusted sources. As soon as I get any other links, I will then resubmit it to you. Then do review and approve the page. Most likely, after the film gets released.. I will contact you. Till then I request you please do not delete this page and let it remain a draft only. Assameseboy (talk) 11:38, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

@Assameseboy: thank you for the reply. Drafts are not deleted unless there are no edits for six months (and you receive a warning about this if it reaches five months), so if you keep updating it more regularly than that then there will not be an issue. — Bilorv (talk) 11:39, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi! Could you please tell me what are the conditions or, types of publications or internet sources required in order to create a biography of a film director? It will be a great help if you give me a little hint. Thanks and regards:) Assameseboy (talk) 11:39, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

@Assameseboy: take a look at WP:RSP for some examples of good and bad sources. The sources don't have to be English-language, or available on the internet, but they need to be widely-distributed and have strong fact-checking policies (so not tabloids). — Bilorv (talk) 13:20, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Beat me to it

	Teahouse host fast, accurate answer award
	Thank you for your rapid and accurate answer at the Teahouse; you managed to beat me to it! Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 16:50, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

@Rubbish computer: thanks, I appreciate it! — Bilorv (talk) 16:57, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Question from Nievesismyname (15:38, 27 July 2021)

Hello! Thanks for reaching out! How do I just delete the article I created? Or disassociate with me? It keeps getting flagged as COI, which it is not. And it's utterly frustrating. :-( --Nievesismyname (talk) 15:38, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

@Nievesismyname: we can definitely work this through without just deleting the article. All Wikipedia articles are inherently owned by nobody and can be radically rewritten by anybody. I'll start by explaining why this COI flag exists and why it's applied here—this doesn't mean you have done anything wrong. Despite aiming to provide a neutral point of view, we get lots of people here to advertise and promote their own interests, without any actual interest in writing an encyclopedia. They don't usually signpost that that's what they're doing, even though it's against our rules to not disclose it, so long-term editors have to make their best guess at what is and isn't in this category. There's going to be a lot of mistakes associated with this, because we don't always have enough information to actually work things out. But we need the tag to get more eyes on it, so others can rewrite it and check whether it should be improved or deleted.

I can ask the editors in question what made them think there could be COI in this situation, and I'm sure we can get to a resolution where the tag can be removed. The only thing that stands out is that you uploaded File:Aina Dumlao by David Muller.jpg. Where did you get this image from? You said that it's your "own work" and that you're releasing the copyright freely, but the copyright would (almost certainly) be owned by David Muller if he took the photo, so are you David Muller?

Unrelatedly, I noticed that you had some copied text, sometimes where you changed a word or two, from online sources. This is called close paraphrasing or, in the more extreme cases, copyright violation. This is a legal problem for us, so please make sure you remove anything else from the article that was copied from somewhere else, even if you changed a word or two. To not be close paraphrasing, you need to be rewording a sentence substantially in structure—it's fine if your sentence has the same meaning and information, but not if it's only a word or so different. — Bilorv (talk) 16:06, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jolyon_Petch

Hello Bilorv,

Jolyon_Petch's own official site has released the copyright. What else does one need? Can we remove the other references? Others have copied the same thing from his official site...

https://www.jolyonpetch.com/discography-new.html

Please check and let me know if you can accept it.

Thank you Ainamera22 (talk) 04:44, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

@Ainamera22: okay, so the prose (https://www.jolyonpetch.com/about.html) and the table both come from Petch's official site? He says on one page, "Biography is copyright free for fair use", and on the other, "Material is Copyright free and available for fair use". I think this is acceptable as a disclosure of the material into the public domain, but it is a bit confusing, because fair use is about copyrighted (not public domain) material, so it can't be both "copyright free" and "fair use" (and the copyright holder is not in control of what is/isn't fair use). I've asked here about what the copyright status of the text is.

If we assumed that the text is public domain, we still have a couple of problems: copying without attribution is still plagiarism and we'd need to use a template like {{Free-content attribution}} in the reference section. Additionally, copying a press release is antithetical to our neutral point of view and editorial independence from advertisers and conflicts of interest. Any text copied from an artist needs to be checked and rewritten for neutrality and accuracy with a fine-tooth comb. — Bilorv (talk) 11:20, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

@Bilorv: I think it is saying that the content is copyright free only for fair use and not for commercial usage. We can use the attribution tag you mentioned. Ainamera22 (talk) 16:11, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

@Ainamera22: but in that case we cannot use the content, because (a) fair use is not in the control of the copyright holder (by definition you can always use text if it's fair use); and (b) we do not use fair use text, except as brief attributed quotations. The template I gave is not appropriate and instead the content needs to be completely rewritten in your own words. The comment I've received so far at the WikiProject I asked this question at seems in line with what I was thinking about this. — Bilorv (talk) 16:13, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

@Bilorv: What if they send an email to Wikipedia? Ainamera22 (talk) 16:55, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

@Ainamera22: the content on Wikipedia articles is entirely volunteer-driven and we are part of the open source community, so doing things behind closed doors (via email) is almost never the right move. The way to fix this would be to get them to properly release the content into the public domain on their website or getting them to use a license like CC0. However, this fails to address the problems I gave above with copying a press release. It would also be useful to know: what relationship do you have with Jolyon Petch? — Bilorv (talk) 17:29, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

@Bilorv: I read somewhere that you can send an email to Wikipedia OTRS to release the copyrights? Can you please explain the "Copying a press release" thing? I am his nephew's friend. Please check the website again: http://www.jolyonpetch.com/discography-new.html http://www.jolyonpetch.com/about.html Ainamera22 (talk) 00:35, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

@Ainamera22: yes, you can contact OTRS, but I don't think that's a useful step in this case. The change in disclosure as Petch has done on his website would be fine but CC-BY-SA 4.0 is not compatible with Wikipedia, as we use 3.0. See this page for more.

You need to read this guideline page about conflicts of interest, as someone with a personal connection to the subject: I'd recommend adding the userbox to your (currently non-existent) userpage.

I don't know what part of my explanation you didn't understand: copying a press release is antithetical to our neutral point of view and editorial independence from advertisers and conflicts of interest. Any text copied from an artist needs to be checked and rewritten for neutrality and accuracy with a fine-tooth comb. Can you explain what you need more information about? — Bilorv (talk) 01:40, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

And someone else has just brought it to my attention that I'm an idiot and CC-BY 4.0 (different to CC-BY-SA 4.0) is compatible with Wikipedia, so the content can be used in the draft with {{Free-content attribution}} (and I've unblanked it and added the templates), but the point I made that we don't just parrot press releases still applies. — Bilorv (talk) 02:08, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

@Bilorv: So, what can I do now? Isn't it in a neutral tone already? The major issue was regarding his discography, which I can't think of any other way to add. I added the COI on my userpage... Should I submit it again for you to review? Ainamera22 (talk) 03:44, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

@Ainamera22: thank you for adding the COI template. You can resubmit the draft if you feel that it is ready and another reviewer will take a look at it. I won't review it again so that we can get a new opinion. — Bilorv (talk) 10:01, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

@Bilorv: Okays. Thanks for everything! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ainamera22 (talk • contribs) 16:12, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Question about New Article Review

Thank you for reviewing and moving to article space a recent page about a literature subject I created. In the pursuit to enrich the encyclopedia, I have another draft article that is very brief, only two paragraphs long or so, and recently published it, but it moved straight to space with no pending submission box or deadline for review; can you take a quick look at it? --> Ramon Rivas. I tried reaching out to another user for help with this, but he seems to be missing in action - Thanks again! Multi7001 (talk) 06:15, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

@Multi7001: thanks for the question! In due course someone will patrol this article and they have a number of options available, including nominating it for deletion, moving it to draftspace or marking it patrolled (so that it remains as a live article). We have a bit of a backlog in this process, I believe, as it's a very time-consuming task that requires a lot of expertise. I'm not comfortable enough myself to mark it patrolled, but I'm definitely not seeing any issues that make me think it needs immediate deletion. — Bilorv (talk) 10:05, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

The Skateboarding Bible (draft)

Hello, the book is originally French, and the links and references that you can see at the bottom of the draft page are very reputable media links in France. The book is still quite recent in the USA and Anglo Saxon countries, so very little media is promoting it. How can I do ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TylerWXy (talk • contribs) 14:07, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

@TylerWXy: whether sources are in French or English or another language is not an issue, but the sources given are passing coverage in media that doesn't look very reliable. In the case that no more sources exist about the book, the topic is not notable and cannot have a Wikipedia article, even if you were to write the most pristine and perfect draft. Wikipedia has notability requirements for a number of reasons, including to discourage people turning us into an advertising platform, to limit our scope to a size that is manageable for our volunteers to maintain, to make sure that each article has the potential to be expanded to a considerable size without sacrificing factual accuracy and to maintain a high reputation among the public. — Bilorv (talk) 14:18, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

But these are totally reliable sources, since they are national newspapers from the French Country (West of the Country): https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouest-France

and there are plenty of other sources: https://www.ouest-france.fr/pays-de-la-loire/angers-49000/angers-le-skateboard-maxime-en-fait-tout-un- book-6020673

https://lemans.maville.com/sortir/infos_-clermont-creans.-ce-jeune-sarthois-publie-la-bible-du-skateboard-_52734-3574287_actu.Htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by TylerWXy (talk • contribs) 14:23, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

@TylerWXy: have you read the policies and guidelines linked in the draft decline rationale and my comment above? It seems like you are responding faster than is humanely possible to consider and absorb the information I am pointing you to. You can find an answer to your own questions by doing this. Ouest-France is reliable, but not in-depth because it doesn't give detailed critical commentary on the book's prose, storyline, themes etc. (an in-depth review looks like this, for a random example). Other sources like Beach Brother or Skateboard Academy do not look reliable, and they are in any case passing coverage (not in-depth). You should sign comments on talk pages by ending them in the code ~~~~ and indent them by using one more colon (:) than the previous message begins with. — Bilorv (talk) 14:32, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Civility Barnstar
	So much work goes unnoticed, but when an editor takes extra time to write inclusively and work collaboratively behind the scenes like to you did with the draft of Transgender acceptance in Wales ... it deserves to be recognised. Thank you for making this a better working environment for everyone. Goldsztajn (talk) 20:55, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Goldsztajn, I really appreciate this. — Bilorv (talk) 23:03, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for participating in my recent RFA

I appreciate your support and trust in my recent run for admin. I'm especially grateful for your nice comments in support. I've had an interesting first few weeks and am learning a lot by being able to better watch (through tools) what admins do. Please call on me if you see making an error, or if you just need help. Thanks again. BusterD (talk) 18:01, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

My submission for the 131ers article

I would like to ask you why my article for the 131ers keeps on being declined, by both you and others. I have checked the Wikipedia guidelines for notoriety as well as references and sources, and to my knowledge the article is perfectly fit to be published. Yet it keeps on being declined. Please clarify this for me so that I can know what to fix with my article so it can be published. Thank you for your time. Cboi Sandlin (talk) 03:03, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

@Cboi Sandlin: thank you for the question. In the case of my review, you had resubmitted the draft with no changes. This comes across as rude, like you aren't interested in working with others or following our rules. If you don't understand a decline reason, you should ask the reviewer rather than resubmitting. I am not seeing strength and depth of sourcing in the article that shows notability:

• IMDb is not reliable (it's mostly user-generated)
• Xune Mag looks like quite a small/obscure publication, and the review is not particularly detailed.
• New Noise seems to interview the band, which would make the source not independent. This is probably still the best source, but we need several to show notability.
• Open the Trunk and TooFab are definitely interviews and not independent.
• Folknrock is routine coverage of a particular performance, which isn't significant.

If the band are not notable (which is perfectly possible) then the issue is not with you, but the topic, and there is no way we can host an article on them. If the band are notable, you need more sources to show this. — Bilorv (talk) 10:36, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Question from Wordslicer (17:22, 7 August 2021)

Thank you. I am sure I will be in touch very soon. --Wordslicer (talk) 17:22, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Derivation of E=mc^(2n+2) from Einstein's E=mc^2

I noticed you had declined the draft of Derivation of E=mc^(2n+2) from Einstein's E=mc^2 at AfC; I've tagged it for speedy deletion, with A11 seeming the best fit for something where even the units in the title don't make sense. XOR'easter (talk) 21:13, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

@XOR'easter: it looked like a hoax or crankery to me, but I'm no physicist. I agree that the A11 fits and am glad to see someone coming to the same conclusion as me. — Bilorv (talk) 21:32, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Sigh. And now it's back in draft space, despite there being literally no chance of making an article out of it. I don't really know the protocol for such situations, but it seems like the best case is that it just languishes taking up space until it gets G13'ed. XOR'easter (talk) 05:59, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Quite. This didn't meet the three WP:DRAFTIFY conditions, Liz, because there is no "potential merit" (the topic is nonsense) and it's also not true that "there is no evidence of active improvement". It did meet A11 though. — Bilorv (talk) 10:08, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Just noticed this, either an endorsement of the A11 or even permission for U1. I'm really not understanding what your logic here was, Liz. I think the page should be deleted now, as it's either that or it'll eventually be G13'd, possibly with some wasted volunteer time in the intermediate period. — Bilorv (talk) 13:14, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Help with Playboy Article

Hi Bilorv. You helped me out with updates to the International editions section on the Playboy article recently. I've posted a new request to update a low quality source, and make a change in the introduction, but so far, haven't had any response. You can see the full request on Talk:Playboy. I was hoping you'd review the request and implement the changes if you agree with them. Thanks! PLBY ZG (talk) 22:36, 12 August 2021 (UTC)