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Hypothetical

If this subject is hypothetical, does it deserve an article? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:46, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've read about the subject from academical sources, so I think it definitely deserves one. Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 18:43, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe the word 'hypothetical' is ambiguous. Do you mean: 'may have existed' or do you mean: 'has not existed'. In the latter case it would be a weird article. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:36, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Marcocapelle, I'd be more concerned about the total lack of sources in the article. :P Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 19:10, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Whether everything that is asserted about it in this stub is actually known or not, the existence of Johannine Christianity as a theological movement among a subset of late 1st–early 2nd century Christians has been accepted by a wide array of scholars for quite some time. Too much of this tiny article, however, depends on Harold W. Attridge, and is in fact directly quoted from him, which is inappropriate for Wikipedia, and leads to overstatement of the one man's hypotheses/speculations about the movement's proponents, as if they are all equally established fact. The article is in dire need of expansion by experts on the subject.--IfYouDoIfYouDon't (talk) 12:15, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Adele Reinhartz

From the article: "Scholars including Adele Reinhartz and Robert Kysar have challenged the idea of a Johannine community, and cite the lack of evidence for such a community.11"

From the linked source: "Adele Reinhartz (2003: 17) – a critic of the hypothesis – concedes that ‘the letters of John seem to demand the existence of such a community’. On the one hand, the very existence of multiple texts sharing ‘Johannine’ ideas and idioms but written by different hands implies a pool of connected writers – a pool upon which the image of a ‘community’ is easily mapped. Secondly, the epistles seem to attest that community in their references to ‘churches’ linked by a ‘network of visits and letters’ (Lieu 2014: 123; e.g. 3 Jn 6, 9, 10)." 11

She is a critic, but apparently she believes the community existed.

Chocohall (talk) 02:16, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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 == Adele Reinhartz ==
-"Scholars including Adele Reinhartz and Robert Kysar have challenged the idea of a Johannine community, and cite the lack of evidence for such a community.[https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0142064X19890490 11]"
+From the article: "Scholars including Adele Reinhartz and Robert Kysar have challenged the idea of a Johannine community, and cite the lack of evidence for such a community.[https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0142064X19890490 11]"
+From the linked source: "Adele Reinhartz (2003: 17) – a critic of the hypothesis – concedes that ‘the letters of John seem to demand the existence of such a community’. On the one hand, the very existence of multiple texts sharing ‘Johannine’ ideas and idioms but written by different hands implies a pool of connected writers – a pool upon which the image of a ‘community’ is easily mapped. Secondly, the epistles seem to attest that community in their references to ‘churches’ linked by a ‘network of visits and letters’ (Lieu 2014: 123; e.g. 3 Jn 6, 9, 10)." [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0142064X19890490 11]
-The following is from the linked source:
-"Adele Reinhartz (2003: 17) – a critic of the hypothesis – concedes that ‘the letters of John seem to demand the existence of such a community’. On the one hand, the very existence of multiple texts sharing ‘Johannine’ ideas and idioms but written by different hands implies a pool of connected writers – a pool upon which the image of a ‘community’ is easily mapped. Secondly, the epistles seem to attest that community in their references to ‘churches’ linked by a ‘network of visits and letters’ (Lieu 2014: 123; e.g. 3 Jn 6, 9, 10)." [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0142064X19890490 11]
 She is a critic, but apparently she believes the community existed.