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Minotaur Hotel

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Fails GNG and NRVE. Current sources do not indicate notability, and a search for sources gives either mirrors of the MQGF, or passing mentions. Kotaku article may be the only thing that can be a reliable source, but I am unsure of its significant coverage; it does say the game exists, but only in one paragraph. It was given one Bronze award from a games festival.

Source assessment table: prepared by User:WhoAteMyButter
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://minoh.itch.io/				✘ No
https://minoh.itch.io/minotaur-hotel				✘ No
https://wiki.minotaur.gay/index.php				✘ No
http://mqgf.com.au/				✘ No
https://twitter.com/queergamesfest/status/1445678925070274564				✘ No
https://www.kotaku.com.au/2021/10/9-great-indies-from-this-years-melbourne-queer-games-festival/			~ I can't tell if coverage is significant or not	~ Partial
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

WhoAteMyButter (📨_talk│📝^contribs) 04:36, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. WhoAteMyButter (📨_talk│📝^contribs) 04:36, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Comment I going to improve the articles with all the other sources that I cited in this discussion in the next couple days, they are a mix of dissertations, thesis and articles talking about the game. MCarlos (talk) 18:06, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

• Keep as for verifiable sources

the game was cited in a thesis publication for the Minas Gerais university

I did not add it to the main article, because I can read very little Portuguese (page 5 ref. 10)

https://periodicos.ufac.br/index.php/tropos/article/view/3958/2451

the author was also featured in the https://www.ohhey.gay/ site https://www.ohhey.gay/blog/minotaur-hotel

this is an example of you need X years of experience for the position, but anyone will give you a chance to get the experience

the game was also cited 7 times in this dissertation https://repositorio.ufmg.br/handle/1843/36963 the problem is the same as before, I can read very little Portuguese

the game was featured in this article https://mrhands.substack.com/p/naughty-list-25

and the author (not the game) was interviewed in this article https://mrhands.substack.com/p/chunky-men-and-the-people-who-love

the main problem with the game is that it's not an US-centric game about a niche thematic coming from a marginalized community, but it's still a valid addition

another factor to consider in matters of WP:GNG, this game is a non-profit project in a for-profit world, they won't get a massive coverage because they aren't looking for money or clients, I see that a very aggressive point to make when the original author isn't looking for money or publicity, the coverage they got was mostly people going out of their way to feature the project, not because they were being paid to do it MCarlos (talk) 16:05, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

• Delete Clear fail of WP:GNG, barely received coverage from the gaming press._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 08:27, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  how can a request for an article that is somewhat well written be fulfilled when you have an article in the similar vein that looks like this stay

  Raptor Boyfriend

  and even articles like this, half of the references are the own game kickstarter Coming Out on Top the news coverage is only used for the reception

  article with a single reference akin to kotaku Animamundi: Dark Alchemist

  sourceless: Sukisho

  again, single SELF reference Zettai Fukuju Meirei

  yes, this is a new game and it's even under development still, it won't get a lot of coverage

  I'm sorry, but not every game needs to be reviewed by some AAA newspaper, specially when they are niche and indie and specially when they are from marginalized groups

  my plan was to write articles for all of the games listed in Melbourne Queer Games Festival, but I haven't played many of them, but if I have to find a big newspaper article for each of them, it's a pointless task, since many of them are by small indie developers, not by some studio that gets news coverage MCarlos (talk) 12:24, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  Hi, for a response to that please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. As for your argument that "it won't get a lot of coverage", see WP:TOOSOON. Once it gets a lot of coverage, it's fine to appear on Wikipedia, but Wikipedia is NOT an advertising platform to assist in getting that coverage if it doesn't already have it, nor is it an advocacy platform for any specific group (WP:NOTADVOCACY). _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 17:30, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  I'm not trying to use those two arguments as my base for anything, my point was that, there are weaker articles that are citing there just because people dropped a bunch of sources and nothing else in projects that were for-profit and nobody batted an eye, see my other thread in the discussion so you can see the game has the coverage in other languages, the problem is that for this discussion people will only consider valid English sources

  the game has been cited more than once in Brazilian universities thesis and dissertations, but I don't speak Portuguese, I made the article in English because it's the language I speak MCarlos (talk) 17:44, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

  That is untrue, people absolutely will consider other language sources. I have used Japanese and European sources fairly often to prove notability. If you have found sources in Portugese then they are very much presentable as evidence. That said, with the dearth of coverage in the gaming press, they'd probably have to be fairly significant and numerous, which seems unlikely.

  More likely this is an example of WP:TOOSOON and we are better off waiting for the game's release. There is WP:NORUSH to make an article about it.

  It's most likely "nobody batted an eye" simply because no eyes were on the article in the first place. Anyone can make an article, and not everyone checks what articles have been made daily for non-notable ones, there are way too few people for that._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 18:01, 20 October 2021 (UTC)