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yugoslav monitor drava

hello, Peacemaker67! i had a quick question regarding this article. i noticed that the lead states that the royal yugoslav navy began operating drava in 1921, while the article body and infobox apparently both state that the navy acquired drava in 1920. was there a period during which the ship was considered acquired but not operated by the navy?

i couldn't find "1921" used elsewhere in the article (aside from in the title of a source), so i didn't know where to look for an appropriate source. however, i did find this source, which states that "Yugoslavia finally received her much-reduced allocation of ships in March 1921" while also stating that the monitors were "[f]ormerly handed over to the Yugoslavs by the NACDEV on 15 November 1920". dying (talk) 11:25, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

G'day dying, I have a recently published book which describes the formation of the navy and handing over of the various ships. I'll check and update. Thanks for querying it. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:54, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

October songs

Thank you for Yugoslav monitor Drava, "about a heavily armoured river monitor that saw extensive service with the Austro-Hungarian Danube Flotilla during World War I and then briefly saw action with the Yugoslav Danube Flotilla during the April 1941 Axis invasion of Yugoslavia in World War II. It is the last of four articles about Yugoslav river monitors to come to FAC. During the invasion she was persistently attacked by Stuka divebombers who scored several ineffective hits on her until one bomb went down her funnel into her engine room, killing most of her crew and sinking her."! - sharing the page with Max Creutz, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:24, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:53, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Milorad Ekmečić

I saw your FAC withdrawal comment at this article about a bio in Serbo-Croatian. I am wondering whether you have already researched the reliability of the book, cause if you haven't I have a few comments about it which you might find helpful. Cheers, OakMapping (talk) 19:19, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

G’day OM. I haven’t had a chance to look at it yet. I am aware of some details about the author, publishing house and its owner and his background, but need to locate some reliable reviews of the book, which should exist given the subject was a prominent person. Searching and reading in Cyrillic hurts my brain, and it doesn’t appear to have been printed in Latin script, so anything you can help with in respect of locating reviews or with regards to the reliability would be of value. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 20:52, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

There's a review of the book in Serbo-Croatian in the journal Istorija 20 veka, you can access it via CEEOL using TWL, here's the link, but I haven't found any others. Regarding the publishing houses and editors, there's a bit I would like to say. It has been published by Novosti a.d. and Naš Pečat, companies that publish Večernje Novosti and Pečat respectively, which I would say are not reliable at all. If the worldcat is right, the book was edited by editors-in-chief of these two newspapers, which for sure doesn't make it more reliable. All in all, I doubt this source can be used in a FA, but you're more experienced than me so read the review at CEEOL and judge for yourself. Let me know what you have decided and whether I can help any further with this book, OakMapping (talk) 07:12, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I’ll have a look. Presumably you are referring to Milorad Vučelić? Bearing in mind the BLP guidelines, what in addition to the material that is in his article would be relevant to his reliability as editor? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:34, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I am referring to Milorad Vučelić. He was a member of the executive board of the Socialist Party of Serbia during the 90s. He was also the General Director of Radio Television of Serbia (RTS) from 1992–95, i.e. during the Yugoslav wars. I believe you are aware of the propaganda of the RTS in that period. OakMapping (talk) 09:46, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

OK, have now read the review. The book might be worth reading for interest, although the review makes it clear that it is based on eleven interviews with Ekmečić and one of his speeches (so useful at least to provide his views given he didn't give many interviews), whether there is any analysis of what he said is an open question, and there are questions about why the filmmaker Emir Kusturica was chosen to write the preface of a book about a historian. Kusturica was clearly a fan, but it makes one wonder why an eminent Serb historian was not chosen to write it. The book apparently also has serious limitations regarding his confusing attitudes to socialism, serious gaps regarding his political activity, and even his period at Sarajevo is apparently unreliable according to the reviewer, Dr Nikola Mijatov, a historian at the Institute. I'll have to think about it, as getting access to a copy will be hard (the Serbian bookstore in Australia doesn't have it) and probably expensive, and given the absolute dross [1] and genocide denial [2] apparent on the Pečat website, given it is the publisher I'm just not sure it would be worth it in terms of being reliable enough at FA. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:00, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

I could maybe get the book but I can't guarantee anything. If I get my hands on it I can give you more details about it and send you the interviews and the speech parts via email. I doubt the rest of the book will be of much use anyway. During the next week, I will be quite busy with IRL stuff so I'll try to get the book after that. OakMapping (talk) 09:34, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

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