Talk:January 14–17, 2022 North American winter storm

Ontario

Someone keeps adding irrelevant and poorly written info in the Ontario section. Like listing certain towns that did not get snow. Or listing every town that did get snow. This is both irrelevant and crowds the article with pointless stats. Also, perhaps an Ontario geography lesson would help some editors. St.Catherines is in Niagara region, Eastern Ontario is a subregion of Southern Ontario, there is no such place as South-Central Ontario, etc. Maybe read the edit summary that explains the edits and bring it to the talk page if you still don't understand. 76.69.7.202 (talk) 05:37, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Editor 76 seems to be a real hothead. Thinks they can overrule edits of 4 or 5 other people. Maybe should get referred for a ruling on their conduct. Seems to never have seen Mapart or other companies' maps that clearly label area from Barrie to Fort Erie as south-central Ontario. Province of Ontario even calls Golden Horseshoe Central West or Central East etc. in some of its ministry divisions. So does CAA. Do any others agree? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.43.250.158 (talk) 00:28, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

I gave up trying to make constructive additions 2 days ago due to 76.

Every single city saw fluctuations in accumulations. Snow does never falls at an even depth across an entire region. Most downtown cores see less accumulation than suburban areas. Listing that one area of the city saw this depth, this area saw this depth, and this area saw this depth, is irrelevant. That is why the largest depths are shown with the wording "accumulations of up to". 76.69.7.202 (talk) 16:24, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

I do no understand why editor 76 finds it appropriate to take references researched and inserted by several other editors and to then distort the facts stated in articles. No article states "many cities' transit systems were unable to operate." That did not happpen - all cities systems were operating at half or even more capacity. It needs to be clarified how much of Highwasy 7 or 401, and where, were closed - they extend across the entire province. As well, no statement that school boards throughout the province were closed, as that did not occur. I researched numerous newspapers to see which school boards closed. Everything west and north of Kitchener were never closed. Barrie and northward and eastward were not closed. Highway 416 closed for 30 minutes for a vehicle to be towed out of a ditch - I specifically inserted a reference stating Highway 417 was closed 8 hours with a fatality. Is not a fatality important? Please stop your poor conduct. Editor 184.146.205.69 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.146.205.69 (talk) 01:18, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

I ask editor 76 to explain why it is fine for the lead of the article to say a tornado caused 3 injuries in the southern US but the main body of the article (where the details are supposed to be) cannot mention a fatality on Highway 417 near Ottawa? Why is the amount of snow in SE Ohio mentioned in the lead but the amount of snow in through larger areas of Southern Ontario cannot be? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.146.205.69 (talk) 01:30, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

You have not asked anyone or even remotely engaged in any sensible dialogue. This is the first time you've used the talk page despite being asked countless times. Your edits are very poorly written and organized. I understand you are from Toronto and are under the false impression that it is unique and special, and want to write about every aspect of it. But you honestly need to read WP:3RR, WP:PROMO, and WP:USELESS. Naming every aspect of a city is not relevant, interesting, or encyclopaedic to anyone. If you have an actual intelligent point to add that adds value to the article, then yes. Before adding something ask yourself, is this interesting to others in any way? Does this add anything of value to the article? Are you just adding this info so that you can talk about your hometown? But re-adding the same nonsense over and over is going to get you reported and banned from editing. Also, sign your posts. 76.69.7.202 (talk) 03:54, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

I posed numerous questions for you above and you have not answered them. As I stated there and in the explaination of changes in the edits, other parts of the article contain info that you keep deleting from the Ontario section. I explained in detail every single re-insertion of information that I made. Your condescending style is amazing. Other people, including at least one auto-registered user, were adding similar information 10 days ago. If I had one or two grammar errors then a collaborative person would fix them or make minor edits, not revert everything back to the exact same text they like 6 or 7 times. I have tried to reach an agreeable middle ground. Editor 184.146.205.69 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.146.205.69 (talk) 12:34, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Creating massive edit summaries after you vandalize an article is not how you engage someone. You have adding pointless drivel to the article and were reverted. You were asked countless times to bring it to the talk page. You are now edit warring. If you want to add any of the reverted info bring it here, not in the article.

• Absolutely nobody cares that the TTC has 1300 buses
• Absolutely nobody cares that the airport saw less accumulation than downtown, and this other area of the same city saw this amount
• Absolutely nobody cares to name every single school board that closed
• Absolutely nobody cares that this highway closed for 6 hours, and that highway for 8. You don't need to name every single one

None of this is remotely interesting or adds anything to the article. You are trying to promote your own city and it's boring and sad. If every editor named every highway, school, neighbourhood, of every city this article would be 50 miles long. 76.69.7.202 (talk) 21:26, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Not sure why User:Elijahandskip just re-added the IP's pointless drivel despite it being reverted. Abold edit was reverted. OIt should be settled on the talk page. User:Elijahandskip also made false ANI accusations and was scolded by admin for it. This user seems to be showing some odd behaviour that an admin might need to look into. I suggest restoring the article until a consensus can be reached on the talk page. 76.69.7.202 (talk) 22:59, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Just a note that the article on Weather of 2022 uses 33 cm for Toronto's snowfall, the official Environment Canada amount which I said a few times should be mentioned (in the end I put it into Note A - a compromise!) It is amazing that editor 76 does not actually read any questions I asked them or points I made. Much of the info I was including for Ontario IS MENTIONED FOR OTHER AREAS IN THE SAME article (warming-centre in Charlotte, 3 injuries in Florida", "a few collisions in Pennsylvania"); its just that those areas have incomplete research/information given so far. No one ever said to list every school board. Saying how large the total bus fleet of Toronto is shows the signficance of 540 buses stranded. If the fleet is 5000 buses, 540 would not be that much.184.146.205.69 (talk) 00:09, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Below is exact text from another article on a blizzard: "In Chester County, a major accident during the early afternoon of the 16th closed the eastbound lanes of the Pennsylvania Turnpike between Morgantown and Downingtown for three hours." Part of the 401 was closed for 24 hours in Toronto but according to 76 that cannot be mentioned in this article. Other articles talked about TWO transport trucks jackknifing to cause blockages - I did not even dare to mention that is what happened in several spots on Toronto's 401. 184.146.205.69 (talk) 00:38, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

C Class?

I am not entirely sure; but I think this article may have enough references, and could potentially qualify as a C Class article. Severestorm28 22:06, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Nova Scotia

I will remove the Nova Scotia section and the following writeup from the article:

The remnants of the winter storm dropped small amounts on snow in Southern Nova Scotia, specifically Yarmouth. The Yarmouth Airport loses for two hours due to the storm before reopening. In Halifax, small amounts of snow was reported in the area.

An explanation that the storm did not hit that area is not noteworthy. If anyone objects, please let me know. 76.69.7.202 (talk) 16:32, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Fatal car crash in Canada

The article (and (CBC News)) mention a fatal car crash that closed a highway down. CBC does not mention how many were killed, so is anyone able to find any extra information about that? Elijahandskip (talk) 00:37, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Although I'm not sure, this might be related: https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/two-killed-in-highway-417-crashes-outside-of-ottawa-1.5742888. Cheers, -- • Apollo468•  02:02, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Content Dispute Discussion

So the edit in question is [1], and it is being questioned by User talk:76.69.7.202, with the original adder, User talk:184.146.205.69.

Break down:

• "{{efn|name=Snowfall|Environment Canada official records measured 32 cm at Pearson International Airport and 33 cm in downtown Toronto while other observations mentioned 45 cm in Downsview; later media began referring to as much as 55 cm.|group=}}"

I believe this should remain removed, as it adds a note, which does not need to be here. Elijahandskip (talk) 01:02, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. Every city saw fluctuations in accumulations. It is common for downtown cores of any given city to receive less snow than outside the core due to urban heat island affect. That is why the largest accumulation in each city is provided, not a range. Otherwise we should include the range for every city mentioned (downtown, airport, suburbs). 76.69.7.202 (talk) 23:22, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

• The fatal car accident (CBC News) in Canada.

I believe this should remain in the article as it is about a fatality, which is classified as vital information for the article. Elijahandskip (talk) 01:02, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

• "Golden Horseshoe closed their schools for both January 17 and 18 while some other school boards closed schools for January 17."

I believe this should be removed unless the school is notable enough to have a Wikipedia page. In general, large school/college closures are listed, if they are notable schools. Elijahandskip (talk) 01:02, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Agreed, countless school boards closed across Ontario, both inside the golden horseshoe and outside. Why this one region would be singled out is baffling. 76.69.7.202 (talk) 23:22, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

• "The storm prompted the closure of several freeways in order to remove stranded automobiles and to facilitate plowing, including the Gardiner Expressway, the Don Valley Parkway, and sections of Highway 7, Highway 401, and Highway 416." VS "In Toronto, the storm prompted the closure of Gardiner Expressway and the Don Valley Parkway to remove stranded automobiles and to facilitate plowing, while sections of Highway 401 were blocked by stranded vehicles for up to 12 hours."

I believe the first wording is better for the article. Elijahandskip (talk) 01:02, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. First version is better. 76.69.7.202 (talk) 23:22, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I work in a complex senior level job for a major government ministry where major reports need to be accurate and where numerous people make edits and they read the text and the comments of people carefully and I was in academia. I have already numerous times explained why certain text should be in - please refer above. To just comment on the last quote above, I have already shown that it was Highway 417 in Ottawa that was closed a long time, not Highway 416, which was only closed for 30 minutes for a tow truck to be removed. As well, I have shown above that the level of info I was inserting ALREADY EXISTs for other areas in this same article and in other articles. This was the biggest storm to hit Toronto, anchor of a metro area of 9 million people, in 22 years (3rd biggest ever) so it is very strange that an art there can't be 12 lines to cover Toronto, the rest of southern Ontario and Ottawa too (an urban area of 1.2 million). On top of that, some of the references and text wasn't even originally entered by me - I looked up stuff that a couple other editors had added 2 weeks ago, but I guess they gave up. I give up now to. In is unclear why Editor 76 has some strange vendetta against accurate, moderately detailed info being inserted for Ontario when most articles on weather actually lack enough accurate, detailed info and should be worked on more. Why doesn't that person do that? should be thankful that people want to actually do thorough research and give accurate statements of it in the article. I will not comment again.184.146.205.69 (talk) 01:44, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Why is this minor event mentioned in the late January blizzard article? "Two tractor trailers tipped over on Interstate 95 near the town of New Rochelle, New York during the storm, reducing traffic to only one lane" There were 8 or 10 of these type of things in Ontario on January 17.184.146.205.69 (talk) 01:49, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

There is zero chance you work in a "complex senior level job for a major government ministry". You write at a remedial middle school level. That is not an insult, just an observation. 76.69.7.202 (talk) 04:53, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Classic personal attack by the indefinitely blocked User:UrbanNerd’s ~1,000th IP sock. WP:SPI this disruptive editor so this doesn’t become a more massive time sink than it already is. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/UrbanNerd/Archive and compare to IP76‘s contribution history. Hwy43 (talk) 10:03, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Wow, ok. Another baseless claim by notorious dud User:Hwy43. 76.69.7.202 (talk) 23:10, 8 February 2022 (UTC)