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Rachelle Bukuru

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This topic fails WP:GNG. On its face this topic satisfies WP:NFOOT, but as WP:NSPORTS notes this is not a substitute for the GNG. My WP:BEFORE is only turning up sports database entries (so far the article is sourced to one such database entry) and a few sporadic mentions such as this, with no significant coverage. -Indy beetle (talk) 00:12, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Women, and Africa. Shellwood (talk) 00:15, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 01:12, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions.CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 01:12, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
• Strong keep per WP:BIAS. She is an international footballer from a country where not much of their newspaper coverage is online, and we'd never consider deleting a male international footballer with appearances. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:43, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Women, and Africa. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:44, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
• Keep per Joseph. I note that lots of criticism levelled at NFOOTBALL is that it encourages the creation of articles about European male players - well here is an African woman you are trying to delete! GiantSnowman 10:18, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
• Keep: ongoing career as a senior international player. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 10:36, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

• • @Joseph2302: @GiantSnowman: I was hoping this would not be taken in bad faith. Half of what I write about is about African topics.... like look at my user page, I've written most of the GAs and the only FA under the Burundi topic area. While doing my BEFORE checking I looked at one of the other new female Burundian footballer articles, Asha Djafari, for reference, and she has much more mentions in sports coverage (much of it routine, granted) that could be used to improve that article. Not so with Bukuru. I don't see how creating bunches of permastubs fixes any systemic issues. It just drags down the average quality of articles on African women even further with, as my BEFORE for this article suggests, no room for improvement. Burundi has a small media footprint but most of their publications cover sports (Iwacu, Le Renouveau, Jimbere Magazine, for example), especially soccer. I've searched all three (Jimbere is expressly focused on women's issues and likes to follow what the women's national football team are up to) and found nothing. Maybe we should consider that the Burundian media didn't consider this person that important. In the intro to BIAS it reads Wikipedia tends to show a White American or White European perspective on issues due to the prominence of English-speaking editors from Anglophone countries. So how is it BIASed to delete this subject if the black African-run sources from Burundi don't consider this important? Too many European male players is not what's being debated here and is a separate issue. I hope the closer will note too that BIAS is not a policy-based reason for deletion. To the "Ongoing career" argument all I have to say is that is not a policy-based reason either and WP:TOOSOON. -Indy beetle (talk) 10:43, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

• Keep Senior International Player, regardless of gender. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 13:39, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
  • @ArsenalGhanaPartey: What criterion is this satisfying? -Indy beetle (talk) 14:45, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
    • WP:NFOOTY: Association football (soccer) figures are presumed notable if they meet the following: 1. Players who have played in, and managers who have managed in, any Tier 1 International Match as defined by FIFA Which they have done. And we shouldn't be randomly picking off international footballers from less well represented countries- I've never seen an international male, European footballer nominated successfully for deletion. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:57, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
      • To quote the explanatory notes at the top of WP:NSPORTS, of which WP:NFOOTY is a part: The topic-specific notability guidelines described on this page do not replace the general notability guideline. They are intended only to stop an article from being quickly deleted when there is very strong reason to believe that significant, independent, non-routine, non-promotional secondary coverage from multiple reliable sources is available, given sufficient time to locate it. Wikipedia's standard for including an article about a given person is not based on whether or not they have attained certain achievements, but on whether or not the person has received appropriate coverage in reliable sources, in accordance with the general notability guideline. Also refer to Wikipedia's basic guidance on the notability of people for additional information on evaluating notability. The reasoning "Keep because international footballer" stands in direct opposition to this guidance. Complaints about international male European footballers is textbook WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. If they bother you, go AfD them. I noticed this article because I work with Burundi topics. As I said above, this was not "random", this was because this player (unlike some other Burundian footballers) seems to have almost zero SIGCOV footprint in RS. Also it is factually incorrect that "not much of [Burundi's] newspaper coverage is online". Most of it actually is, because a lot of their market is Burundian expats in other countries (particularly for Iwacu, the only private newspaper). But I'm humoured to be accused of BIAS. Because the Western editors (according to userpages) voting keep here and so worried about BIAS seem to think that they know better about what Burundi should value than the Burundian media market! How progressive! My sarcasm aside, I will happily withdraw this AfD if sources are provided to demonstrate this person's notability. -Indy beetle (talk) 15:38, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
• Keep: As an international player meets WP:NFOOTBALL. Caphadouk (talk)