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Haram confusing

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> it is haram to urinate while facing the Qibla, or to turn one's back to it when urinating

This is confusing to me (non Muslim), it is haram both to urinate while facing or with ones back to the Qibla, so.... you have to be... side on? 2407:7000:9DA2:8800:E577:5EDA:6B78:4E44 (talk) 13:07, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar issue: incorrect use of the conjunction "but"

The conjunction "but" is used in the sentence "In Islamic toilet etiquette, it is haram to urinate while facing the Qibla, or to turn one's back to it when urinating or relieving bowels, but modesty requirements for females make it impossible for girls to relieve themselves without facilities." According to the Cambridge dictionary "But is used to connect ideas that contrast." While it is no doubt true that Islamic tradition requires female modesty, this does not stand in contrast to the compass direction one is facing. However, simply substituting a different conjunction is also problematic. This would imply that female modesty while urinating is an issue specific to Islamic culture, which is not the case. Perhaps this part of the sentence should be moved to another part of the article addressing differences in male and female urination. ^[1]

72.201.118.17 (talk) 00:18, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

^ https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/but

[1] ttps://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/but

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 This is confusing to me (non Muslim), it is haram both to urinate while facing or with ones back to the Qibla, so.... you have to be... side on? [[Special:Contributions/2407:7000:9DA2:8800:E577:5EDA:6B78:4E44|2407:7000:9DA2:8800:E577:5EDA:6B78:4E44]] ([[User talk:2407:7000:9DA2:8800:E577:5EDA:6B78:4E44|talk]]) 13:07, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
+== Grammar issue:  incorrect use of the conjunction "but" ==
+The conjunction "but" is used in the sentence "In Islamic toilet etiquette, it is haram to urinate while facing the Qibla, or to turn one's back to it when urinating or relieving bowels, but modesty requirements for females make it impossible for girls to relieve themselves without facilities."   According to the Cambridge dictionary "But is used to connect ideas that contrast."  While it is no doubt true that Islamic tradition requires female modesty, this does not stand in contrast to the compass direction one is facing.  However, simply substituting a different conjunction is also problematic.  This would imply that female modesty while urinating is an issue specific to Islamic culture, which is not the case.  Perhaps this part of the sentence should be moved to another part of the article addressing differences in male and female urination.
+<ref>https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/but</ref>
+[[Special:Contributions/72.201.118.17|72.201.118.17]] ([[User talk:72.201.118.17|talk]]) 00:18, 17 March 2022 (UTC)