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Biography of a county councillor, not properly sourced as passing WP:NPOL #2. As always, county council is not a level of office that confers an automatic inclusion freebie in Wikipedia -- the notability test for county councillors hinges not on verifying that they existed, but on showing substantial media coverage about their work to establish the significance of it: specific things they accomplished in the role, specific effects they had on the development of the county, specific impacts they had on wider political affairs beyond their county, or other stuff which establishes a reason to regard them as significantly more notable than most other county councillors.
But this is referenced entirely to the county council's own self-published website about itself, a primary source which is not support for notability, with not even one reliable or notability-supporting piece of media coverage shown at all.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to have a lot more substance and sourcing than this. Bearcat (talk) 13:58, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 13:58, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Missouri-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 13:58, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I can't get past the paywall, but seems to be some notability here:

Keep Some time on google news showed me that she is at least mildly notable. I've mentioned four sources above that I could not get to due to paywall, but also this article might have seemed like a WP:BLP because her death was not noted, but she died, so it is not BLP. CT55555 (talk) 15:07, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment More sources focused on her here:

Oppose/Keep The article clearly needs improvement but I think she meets the criteria for notability based on the above articles that focus primarily on her plus the many more articles available that reference her positions on issues facing the county council from 2002-2014. St. Louis County has a population greater than several states and at least the St. Louis Post Dispatch and St. Louis Public Radio (formerly the Beacon) that cover local politics in detail so I would suspect that any County Councilor who serves long enough would meet the criteria for notability. I disagree that there is a notability requirement for County Councilors that they must be more notable than other county councilors. I think they just have to meet the normal notability standards such as significant coverage, which I tried to show above that she does. Skier23 (talk) 16:12, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to St. Louis County Council. Not seeing any indication of notability (per WP:NPOL at this time, but I'm not opposed to preserving the page's history. KidAd • SPEAK 17:12, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to evaluate posted sources
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwaiiplayer (talk) 12:41, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. CT55555 (talk) 20:22, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This can't be redirected to the StL Cty Council page because that page 1) does not mention her 2) itself is devoid of RS. So far I see only one significant biographical source, the STLPR obit. Note that no matter how many mentions we find of her in STLPR that counts as only one source. I can't get to any of the other newspaper articles because of paywalls. If someone can get to those and can add to the article that would be great. Lamona (talk) 04:14, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or redirect Having checked the sources (including the ones listed above), I do not believe that WP:ANYBIO is met. MrsSnoozyTurtle 07:27, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Sources are non-significant. TrangaBellam (talk) 10:47, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete All of the available references are simply local, I don't think NPOL is met here. SportingFlyer T·C 13:00, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Coverage does not rise to the level of notability. Does not meet WP:GNG. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 06:59, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete since subject fails WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO], WP:GNG, and WP:NPOL, the latter warning us that just being an elected local official does not guarantee notability. To be noted, some sources ar invoked above without having being checked. Some others are just images. -The Gnome (talk) 10:48, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - these two obituaries: St. Louis County Councilwoman Kathleen Burkett Dies (STLPR, 2014) and St. Louis County Councilwoman Burkett dies (St. Louis Post-Dispatch, 2014) include significant in-depth coverage about her and her career. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch also wrote an article about her in 2012: Missouri withdraws contract to Burkett to run Maplewood License Office, and STLPR has more in 2012 about her and her career: County ordinance on women's shelter passes but with heated debate. Per WP:NPOL, she is a major local political [figure] who [has] received significant press coverage because per fn 8, she has been written about, in depth, independently in multiple news feature articles, by journalists, and the article can be expanded with information from these sources. Beccaynr (talk) 03:36, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see a bit of coverage post mortem; I fail to see significant coverage. We do have a couple obituaries but I have yet to stumble upon a case where a member of the council, any member, passes away and does not get an obit. And that 2012 news item is about the travails of an ordnance proposal through the council; not about our subject per se. I sincerely do not see "significance." We might be setting the bar too low for notability. -The Gnome (talk) 06:38, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The STLPR obit links to a variety of other coverage related to her career on the council, and the St. Louis Post-Dispatch obit includes biographical information, e.g. her family, children, religion, and career before becoming a council member. These are not the only obit articles available for her, but these two appear substantial enough to help support notability. What other council members receive should be assessed on an individual basis, because announcement and funeral notices are different from in-depth reviews of a subject's life and career.

Also, the 2012 St. Louis Post-Dispatch article is about her, and there appears to be more related coverage available. And the 2012 article about the "heated debate" is substantially about the "heat" Burkett brought to the council meeting by discussing her experience as a survivor of domestic violence. WP:NPOL/WP:BASIC notability appears supported because these articles focus on her and include enough information so that we can actually write a whole article. Beccaynr (talk) 12:03, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - meets neither WP:GNG or WP:NPOL. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:21, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Only one of the current councillors has a Wikipedia page, and she also served in the state legislature. I am sure that Kathleen Burkett is sorely missed and fondly remembered by friends and family, but there is nothing very notable here. Nwhyte (talk) 07:51, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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 :::Also, the 2012 ''St. Louis Post-Dispatch'' article is about her, and there appears to be more related coverage available. And the 2012 article about the "heated debate" is substantially about the "heat" Burkett brought to the council meeting by discussing her experience as a survivor of domestic violence. [[WP:NPOL]]/[[WP:BASIC]] notability appears supported [[WP:WHYN|because]] these articles focus on her and include enough information {{tq|so that we can actually write a whole article}}. [[User:Beccaynr|Beccaynr]] ([[User talk:Beccaynr|talk]]) 12:03, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
 *'''Delete''' - meets neither [[WP:GNG]] or [[WP:NPOL]]. [[User:onel5969|'''<span style="color:#536895;">Onel</span><span style="color:#ffb300;">5969</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Onel5969|<i style="color:blue">TT me</i>]]</sup> 01:21, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' Only one of the current councillors has a Wikipedia page, and she also served in the state legislature. I am sure that Kathleen Burkett is sorely missed and fondly remembered by friends and family, but there is nothing very notable here. [[User:Nwhyte|Nwhyte]] ([[User talk:Nwhyte|talk]]) 07:51, 17 April 2022 (UTC)