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Job

Is there any record of him every actually having a job? I was not able to find anything solid. Apparently his wife's family was rich, but that also is rumor millPotatochipsegs-zs8-1judo (talk) 00:14, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bad sources

@Factcheckerina: Wikipedia considers "Post Millenial" to be WP:RSPUSE. "There is consensus that The Post Millennial is generally unreliable. Editors have noted multiple instances of inaccurate reporting, and consider the publication to be strongly biased."https://thereaderwiki.com/en/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources

@Factcheckerina: just reposted those claims yet again, this time with no citation. Just because Wilson whined people bothered him does not mean he was not, himself, the actual instigator. If you have no proof of the harassment, you cannot make unsupported statements on wiki.

Removals

@Factcheckerina: You cannot remove over half of an article without discussing and justifying your changes. Many were grossly inaccurate, almost like you are one of his followers. You are going to get this article locked. Potatochipsegs-zs8-1judo (talk) 04:46, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do not believe I removed more than half an article, although it may have looked like it because for ease I copied and pasted. I also believe I substantiated all my changes with citations. I just made a few factchecking and grammatical changes, added a few facts and corrected some misimpressions. happy to take a nother look if you thought it was heavy-handed. Factcheckerina (talk) 16:22, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like one thing they posted about was concern for the website he took over. An IP complaint could not have resulted in the website being given to him, those would be separate issues. The website owner actually gave an interview about what actually happened (i.e., he threatened his business and family if he didn't give Wilson the website). There is now a citation for that. GAVERushaMiciNGSlANG (talk) 16:36, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To begin, Wilson's article was recommended for retraction, there was a national article written about it by a reliable source. You cannot just delete it because you don't like it. Then you stated Wilson "later won" the website? He did not. I have no idea what that is referring to and you provided no source. Potatochipsegs-zs8-1judo (talk) 04:49, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Factchekerina continues to delete content they do not like without engaging in talk, including reliable sources. User may need to be blocked for malicious editing. Potatochipsegs-zs8-1judo (talk) 14:45, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to engage in talk! Factcheckerina (talk) 16:22, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The issue of his stalking is appropriately cited as "accused of". Dying before you get arrested isn't exactly being cleared! GAVERushaMiciNGSlANG (talk) 16:37, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was unable to find any records of Wilson actually teaching all those classes he claims he taught. If you can find the records, please add them. Then it would make sense to remove that he "claims" to teach them. It appears he might have been at some unlicensed massage school. If that was the case, then we should probably note these were hardly university classes. GAVERushaMiciNGSlANG (talk) 16:39, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Factcheckerina continues to struggle with requesting citations for claims that already have a citation. Claims that porn is addictive are not attributable to Gary Wilson and do not belong in his biography. He conducted no research and was not referred to in any of those papers. They are not relevant and do not have the content claimed. If you do not like the citation used, please suggest alternatives. Irrelevant citation bombing not a great strategy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GAVERushaMiciNGSlANG (talk • contribs) 20:18, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is not irrelevant citation bombing. This is a provision of citations that add context to the claim that he was practising "pseudo science." It's important to note that there are those in the academy, including important journals like Nature, that have also investigated the link between porn and addiction and found it plausible. Most of his website was citations of peer-reviewed articles. Factcheckerina (talk) 22:01, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The claim of pseudoscience was not evaluated in any of those articles. The one cited by Rolling Stone, for example, does specifically say scientists do not find Wilson credible. If you want to argue that porn is addictive, post in the pornography wiki. Potatochipsegs-zs8-1judo (talk) 22:05, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The accusations of harassment went both ways. He was harrassed as much as he was of harassing and I think that's importnat to note for balance. Factcheckerina (talk) 21:59, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds like no one believed Wilson, suggesting fabrication. No one reputable reported him being harassed. There were several stories of him threatening and harassing others. If I am missing a citation where any reputable journalist gave Wilson the time of day for his claims, please post here. Pulitzer-winning journalist Rob Kuznia wrote the article that Wilson did harass scientists. Potatochipsegs-zs8-1judo (talk) 22:03, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think we need to refer this to conflict dispute resolution. Factcheckerina (talk) 22:23, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome to but, as noted in "Bad sources" above, you have not provided any supportive source. Any editor will be rightly annoyed and, if I were them, ban you. Better yet, why not just admit you cannot find any supportive source and leave it out until you do? Potatochipsegs-zs8-1judo (talk) 22:34, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Factcheckerina If you cannot find any reputable evidence that Wilson was harassed, isn't it just possible that he was not? I know that is the narrative he wanted to portray, but he stalked and threatened a family of 5 to move across the country too (cited in the article). Wilson was an extremist. These other people were therapists and scientists. He said he was mentally ill. This does not strike you as potentially fake news by Wilson? Potatochipsegs-zs8-1judo (talk) 22:39, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I just added the citation from Kelsey Burke's research showing anti-porn activists, including Wilson, repeatedly threatened and harassed others, but were not threatened themselves. Two reputable sources reported Wilson harassment was unidirectional. Potatochipsegs-zs8-1judo (talk) 22:48, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You added the citation for a whole book. Could please cite the page number? Thanks you Factcheckerina (talk) 02:56, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have added evidence that another researcher in the same field tried to trademark the name of his website, knowing that the name was already taken by him but withdrew it. Factcheckerina (talk) 02:57, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wilson is not a "researcher", he has no degree
Wilson attacked Dr. Prause in this matter also, Dr. Prause did not file anything in opposition to Wilson. IP is not a "threat" or "attacked". That is editorializing and not allowed on wikipedia.
Primary sources and/or claiming to conduct your own research on wikipedia is not allowed, for exactly this reason: people lie about the source document. TBsjfQbEuaHRn (talk) 03:43, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The source you post for Wilsn forcing a family to move across country makes no mention of Wilson. Please time stamp the mention of his name if you have it. Thank you Factcheckerina (talk) 03:03, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The entire talk was by the person named in the lawsuit mentioned. The link could not be more direct. This sounds like an effort to suppress. TBsjfQbEuaHRn (talk) 03:44, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Karezza

There is a huge history of his Karezza devotee. Is this worth a separate section? For example:

Yup, agree, Wilson thought that orgasms ruin one's marriage and likely send one to hell. tgeorgescu (talk) 15:36, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cult

Karezza is not a cult since it's not "one church, one faith, one leader". It's a loose network of like-minded people. tgeorgescu (talk) 15:44, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree Karezza definitely not a cult, more like tantric sex, a practice. Factcheckerina (talk) 16:23, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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 :::::::The source you post for Wilsn forcing a family to move across country makes no mention of Wilson. Please time stamp the mention of his name if you have it. Thank you [[User:Factcheckerina|Factcheckerina]] ([[User talk:Factcheckerina|talk]]) 03:03, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
+::::::::The entire talk was by the person named in the lawsuit mentioned. The link could not be more direct. This sounds like an effort to suppress. [[User:TBsjfQbEuaHRn|TBsjfQbEuaHRn]] ([[User talk:TBsjfQbEuaHRn|talk]]) 03:44, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
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