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Controversy in Russia regarding the legitimacy of eastward NATO expansion

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Controversy in Russia regarding the legitimacy of eastward NATO expansion (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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This article is pretty much an essay, and should probably be condensed and merged with an existing article. It seems like a very specific topic to be a standalone article. Waddles 🗩 🖉 02:20, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politics, Europe, and Russia. Waddles 🗩 🖉 02:20, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

• Keep there's books and articles about this topic [1] [2] [3]. It is a common propaganda narrative in Russia that Russia is right in everything because NATO broke an informal verbal declaration promising not to expand beyond East Germany after the German unification in 1990. It was in fact used in one of Putin's speeches before the invasion started. Super Ψ Dro 09:18, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Y Delete and WP:STARTOVER. IMO there is enough WP:RS out there, maybe they aren't that common in English. A09090091 (talk) 16:30, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

• Delete, redirect or merge. We do have page Enlargement of NATO, and the books above are actually on the enlargement subject. I would suggest to redirect to Enlargement of NATO or possibly merge with it. My very best wishes (talk) 01:42, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

They are not only about NATO expansion, but about NATO expansion beyond the Iron Curtain and how it has strained NATO's relations with Russia. Russia probably wouldn't have cared a lot if Ireland or Switzerland joined NATO in 1990. That NATO enlargement beyond the Iron Curtain is illegitimate is an actual narrative in the Russian academic world [4]. I remind that Putin himself demanded NATO not to keep expanding and to retreat its troops from the states that joined after 1997 [5]. He talked about how NATO betrayed Russia by expanding five times for months prior to his attack on Ukraine [6]. He also talked about it in the 2007 Munich speech of Vladimir Putin: "What happened to the assurances our Western partners made after the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact?". This is a thing that's been going on for a while among the Russian public. Super Ψ Dro 22:21, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

This page is also an attempt to recreate deleted/redirected page Baker-Gorbachev Negotiations, but just make it bigger. A legitimate subject here is Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany, and we have such page. This page, as written, is basically a POV fork of deleted Baker-Gorbachev Negotiations or Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany. My very best wishes (talk) 01:58, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

• Keep The subject is notable, as it's shown by the good coverage in reliable secondary sources - also authoritative academic sources such as Foreign Affairs, International Security and Journal of Cold War Studies (all quoted in the article). While further refinements through the usual WP:EDITING process are possible, the article is definitely not an WP:OR, and to me it looks largely complaint with WP:NPOV. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 09:48, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
• Keep This article seems specific to reception in Russia. It can be kept. D4iNa4 (talk) 04:30, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
• Keep This article seems specific to reception in Russia. It can be kept. D4iNa4 (talk) 05:27, 11 July 2022 (UTC)