Talk:New Democratic Party

How does the NDP represent "liberal" views??? Social democratic/democratic socialist/left-wing/centre-left...for sure. But "liberal"...no way. Verged

• "liberal", in the small-l sense, can mean a lot of things. In many parts of the world, "center-left" falls into that definition, and I assumed that's what the author of said statement meant during my first glance over it. Perhaps if you elaborate on what exactly you object to in that definition (bearing in mind that it clearly does not refer to the views of the Liberal Party of Canada). --SpartanCanuck 07:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

They are liberal in a way that they like to defend worker's rights, they are against the Iraq war, very keen on the environment, etc. zblewski

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Canadian Troops called 'terrorists'

Should there bee a small bit about a NDP riding association saying that the mission is being guided by the United States and that Canadian troops are acting like “terrorists.” ? There is alot of talking in the news media, and with the NDP's convention this weekend, what do you think? Should it be added? [1] SFrank85 18:44, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not convinced that a withdrawn preamble to a resolution proposed by one riding association, which hasn't been adopted by the party because it was slated for presentation at a policy conference that hasn't happened yet, deserves special mention. Or, at least, if it does, then Reform Party of Canada should mention the policy resolution to overturn the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms that failed at that party's 1994 policy convention, because it's not neutral point-of-view to decide that only one party's internal controversies deserve to be spotlighted on Wikipedia. Bearcat 03:39, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the Wiki policy is on including policy resolutions--whether they made it to the convention or were withdrawn--but the article about it is factually incorrect. This part, "likening them to terrorists." is flat out wrong and is even contradicted in a later sentence: "Canadian troops risk end up acting like terrorists,". Clearly the preamble says they face a risk of acting like terrorists not that they are terrorists and the article should be changed to reflect that.--Robert McClelland 03:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

The with amount of controversy and media speculation surrounding the event, there is no way this controversy should be excluded from the page. Doing so would be censorship. If Mclelland doesn't like the wording, fine, let's work on it, although I stand by what I originally wrote. I understand Mclelland is actively involved with the party and its policies, but there is no reason that anyones political beliefs should trumpet how information is stored on wikipedia. This controversy must be mentioned, and failing to do so is nothing short of censorship and an attempt to hide the uglier parts of the history of the party..--Splatto 10:22, 11 September 2006

Sorry, Mr. Splatto, but I can't agree with your assessment. We are, after all, talking about a proposed resolution brought forward by a single constituency, that was promptly withdrawn. To put it another way, it was a "media scandal-du-jour" rather than an event of encyclopedic significance. There's quite a bit that could be said about the NDP's position on Afghanistan, but the previous edit was obvious POV-pushing. CJCurrie 15:22, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the text previously added to the page was a bit slanted. However, under the heading "Principles, policies and electoral achievement" nothing is said about defense policy nor the NDP's position about Afganistan. Would someone that knows something about this add something? Or is their position a bit too unpopular perhaps? Not a word in the entire article mentions this. --Sheldonc 16:16, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I quite agree that we should add something about the party's take on Afghanistan -- let's just make sure it isn't slanted. CJCurrie 16:33, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I'll write something up about the NDP's position on Afghanistan. Contrary to what Mr. Splatto says, I'm not actively involved in the party or its policies. Because I'm new to how wiki works I have two questions though. Should this go under the first section, "1 Principles, policies and electoral achievement"? And can the index have more than one level of nesting like this: 1.1.1? --Robert McClelland 22:13, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• (i) I'd put it near the end of the article (ie. file in chronologically).
• (ii) Yes. CJCurrie 22:22, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

NDP Conventions

Does anyone know if they have any information about past conventions? I was watching on CPAC and this one is the 22nd convention. We should create an article something along the lines of this one: Labour Party Conference -- Earl Andrew - talk 17:08, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Image of Jack Layton

We have professionally-done portraits of Tommy Douglas, David Lewis, Ed Broadbent, Audrey McLaughlin, and Alexa McDonough, yet an informal, impromptu image of Layton—he isn't even facing the camera. His facial expression is rather gloomy, as well. Thus, could somebody find a more encyclopedic photo of Layton? I would do so myself, but I'm quite busy with other things both within and without Wikipedia. -- WGee 02:00, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

• A new image for Alexa McDonough needs to be found also that doesnt violate any rules.Kelownian 20:03, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Base of support

Who tends to support the party? As far as I know, it's urban progressives, union workers and farmers, but a)should something on these lines be included b)is it citable? Biruitorul 05:56, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Question about 2006 election

The article now says: "On January 23, the NDP won 29 seats, a significant increase of 10 seats from the 19 won in 2004. ... The NDP kept all of the seats it held at the dissolution of Parliament .... [I]t gained five seats in British Columbia, five in Ontario, and the Western Arctic riding of the Northwest Territories."

If it held all its old seats, and picked up five plus five plus one, it seems like the gain was 11 seats, not 10. Can someone clarify or correct? JamesMLane t c 06:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

It won 19 in 2004, but held 18 at dissolution. 18 held + 11 won = 29 won. Biruitorul 08:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I've re-written the sentence to include this fact, so that other readers don't think we added it up wrong. JamesMLane t c 09:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Social and Economic Justice?=

This is a rather ambiguous term which I have removed from the introduction of the article. It would be hard to find a party in Canada that would NOT say that it supports these ideals, though they would have very different conceptions of what they mean.

Vandalism

It seems that some readers believe that NDP is an extremist leftist party led by Joseph Stalin. Perhaps this page should be locked?