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Rochelle Holt

Fails WP:BIO, although has some sources, none are both independent and reliable. For example, the sources include the author's angelfire homepage, some fans geocities page, a general yahoo search cache. This may be a part of the main contributor to this trying to drum more notable alumni for Columbia Pacific University- all of the editor's edits are related to that or to alumni. I had prodded but the prod was removed, so here we are. JoshuaZ 03:12, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete [er nom, fails WP:BIO. TJ Spyke 03:20, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails to meet notability. A basic Google/Yahoo search reveals very little to assert the notability and all the sources are not reliable. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 03:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
neutral I removed the prod, in order to encourage discussion. I am not sure of the significance of the papers being in the U Iowa library. This is not usually done for trivial authors, but I don';t recall it every being discussed here. There does not seem to be any academic criticism of her poetry, judging by Proquest, & almost no libraries have her books besides a few of the most comprehensive collections , judging by Open WorldCat. DGG 05:22, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - although the article is a bit POV in places, the subject appears to have written and published a fair bit, with ISBNs and everything. Having researched many subjects online for which there is a dearth of information, I am not prepared to write off something because references aren't able to be found online. It strikes me as a bit too substancive to delete. cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 10:13, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. A rather cursory search of Amazon.com shows that her numerous publication credits are, in fact, legit. RGTraynor 14:49, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment a number of these publications are with vanity presses or are self-published. For instance, her novel "Mirage" is published by PublishAmerica, who are a vanity press. PublishAmerica will publish just about anything you send to them. JulesH 13:25, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep, I would have been happier if there were independent critiques. We have to consider that poetry is not mainstream anymore, therefore hardly mentioned in Sunday supplements which makes a plus. Creating your own publishing company on the other hand could be an euphemism of self-publishing .. hey I don't use any vanity publisher I publish myself ... so I'll stay with weak keep unless there is new evidence in one way or the other during this AfD Alf^Photoman 17:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Publication of a person's work is not grounds for notability, publication of articles about that person is. In this person's page, all I see is a long list of publications by this person, and not a single one about this person. Additionally, this WP entry was created by User:Paul Hartal in order to bolster his list of (questionably) notable alumni of Columbia Pacific University, a defunct diploma mill. See Talk:Columbia Pacific University, specifically the section about notable alumni, for details. Skinwalker 20:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep seems to meet notability guidelines, with at least some mention of her works and a Pulitzer Nomination. Certainly a locally well known author. The Steve 10:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

JoshuaZ, Skinwalker and Company,

Your continued call for the deletion of the article on Rochelle Holt is not only unjustified but even bizarre. Moreover, explaining the proposed deletion because, in addition to her MFA from the University of Iowa, she pursued further studies at Columbia Pacific University (CPU) is part of an orchestrated academic witch hunt. Since when is learning a crime? The defamation of CPU is part of the irresponsible misinformation phenomenon, which is described quite well, for example, in M. Scott Peck's book, People of the Lie (ISBN 0-671454927; Dr. Peck is best known for his best seller, The Road Less Traveled).

Your prejudice is unprofessional and should be brought to the attention of fair-minded Wikipedia administrators, contributors, as well as Wikipedia donors and in fact everyone concerned about the quality of the Internet, the advancement of knowledge and intellectual freedom.

The article on Rochelle Holt in its present stage clearly shows and documents that she is notable on several accounts and highly eligible to be featured in Wikipedia:

She is listed in the International Who’s Who in Poetry, London: Routledge, ISBN 0948875593, and her biography is featured at universities and literary publications. Please see Reference Section in article. She received numerous professional awards, grants and honours, including nomination for the Pulitzer Prize. She is regarded by her peers as a major poet and a significant science fiction writer. A Reader’s Digest survey ranked her first among American poets. In addition to her numerous and well-received books, she published over 2000 poems in about 300 periodicals and magazines, and gave over 700 public readings at universities, schools, hospitals, libraries, bookstores and other places. She has originated a new literary genre within the category of the poem-novel, recognized by experts as a significant and innovative accomplishment. Her plays have been performed in theatres. As a publisher she has advanced the works of other professional artists. Among other things, she has published important scholarly work about the life and art of Anais Nin, Henry Miller, Lawrence Durrell as well as others and contributed to the development of literary theory.

I went through uncounted entries in Wikipedia, and I am amazed to see how many of them are basically just short notes about people who cannot really reach the level of notability as Rochelle Holt does, and nevertheless they are featured in Wikipedia.

Paul Hartal 19:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]