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William B. Allen

No other entries in category African American political scientist are identified by their ideological orientatio. Also, regarding, "He has authored The Imaginative Conservative and Re-thinking Uncle Tom," the former is inaccurate and the latter is duplicative - see: Select bibliography entry #3: Re-Thinking Uncle Tom: The Political Philosophy of H. B. Stowe (Lexington Books), 2008. OckRaz ^talk 21:11, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

African American political scientist is NOT a "category." What is wrong with you? His political ideologies are absolutely not only relevant but important.

He's an author at The Imaginative Conservative. I'll fix that typo.

Listing his more important works outside of a "select Bibliography" is fair game, which includes The Uncle Tom book AND his work with Hillsdale AND appearing on Ben Shapiro's show.

Wiki is supposed to be about truth, NOT your personal opinion. Nccondor23 (talk) 21:59, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

oh, so it is a category. gross! Nccondor23 (talk) 22:07, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

why isn't he listed as an American political scientist? what's going on with wiki!!! Nccondor23 (talk) 22:09, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

it's a smaller category, and i checked all the other pages in it. checking every political scientist would have taken a long time. a smaller category like afr am poli sci's can be checked relatively quickly, which is why i chose it: to look at the standard for writing the lead paragraph. OckRaz ^talk 23:05, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

he's an American political scientist. Filing him elsewhere is...well, I'll let you decide Nccondor23 (talk) 23:25, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

I'll add him to the broader category then. It may take a little bit. I'll need to look up what the process is. (I'm not the one who assigned the current categories.) OckRaz ^talk 00:11, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

It's not fair game to say "Uncle Tom" book when it's not about Uncle Tom (a fictional character whose name became an epithet), but "The Political Philosophy of H. B. Stowe," (the author of the novel) which becomes obvious when the full title is used - which it already was in the bibliography before your addition to the lead. I've added the fact that he's a contributor to Imprimus and Imaginative Conservative to the publication section. OckRaz ^talk 23:13, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

The name of the book is "Re-thinking Uncle Tom" the subhead is "The Political Philosophy of H. B. Stowe", don't get it twisted

people are going to be looking at this page for a reason, it should be factual and have relevant and current content where people can find it easily. It is counter-factual to hide the truth. He's an unabashed, outspoken conservative, there is no honest reason to hide it.

I'll get to his role in the African American Studies workgroup in Florida soon enough. Nccondor23 (talk) 23:23, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

I think you missed my point. I didn't remove a reference to the book. It was already in the article in the list of publications. You singled out that particular book in the lead paragraph (why that one?) and didn't use the full title. You didn't add any new information to what had been there beforehand, but instead chose to emphasize one particular publication (randomly? based on your opinion of importance?) without even using the correct title. As far as his being a conservative, everyone has political views, and that includes political science professors. If we start going through the pages of every scholar and labeling them by their politics, we'd have civil war amongst the editors. OckRaz ^talk 23:38, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

PS: Magnolia677 was right - we should discuss this on the appropriate talk page. That's my fault for starting a conversation here. i was just afraid of a back and forth edit war between you and me, so i wrote on your page. For matters about the content itself we should go here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:William_B._Allen OckRaz ^talk 23:42, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Look at the cover of the book (Google it). The title is "Rethinking Uncle Tom"

the subhead is The Political Thought of HBS...

all I did was leave out the subhead, which is common. You merely have it in a selected reference section, but it is worth noting his notable books in the narrative.

But you clearly don't want this particular political scientists political views to be made clear on wikipedia. I question your motive for that. Nccondor23 (talk) 23:45, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Okay, I don't agree with much of what you want, but I made it so anyway, despite the fact that he in the American Social Scientists category but NOT the American Political Scientists. Nothing I've added is false in any way. Nccondor23 (talk) 22:30, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

July 2023

Hello, I'm Magnolia677. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, William B. Allen, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Also, please discuss any content disputes on the article talk page. Thank you! Magnolia677 (talk) 23:18, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

could you be more specific? Nccondor23 (talk) 23:25, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

oh Magnolia, how disingenious you are:

none of this is cited yet you left it in, among many other examples, did Ockham's razor call you for help?

"He also has served on the boards of the Hoover Institution (1995–) and St. John's College (1989–). Since 2002, he has been Academic Advisor and Faculty Member at the Institute for Responsible Citizenship in Washington, D.C." Nccondor23 (talk) 23:29, 27 July 2023 (UTC)