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==[[Frankie Thomas (cyclist)]]==

I tend to agree, I put a question mark against living status, which shows as living. At [[:Category:Possibly living people]] it says that people who are born after 1900 but there is no evidence of their death should be treated as possibly living, although you would think that a still living cyclist born in 1906 would be well known. A very small number of people live past 110.--[[User:Grahamec|Grahame]] ([[User talk:Grahamec|talk]]) 08:51, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Well it is unlikely he is living I do agree. I did send a message to someone who seems to be more of a expert on the 100+ people. (Though nothing can beat when I found someone recently somehow listed as living person when they were born in 1864. Ummm yeah right) [[User:Wgolf|Wgolf]] ([[User talk:Wgolf|talk]]) 02:16, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

== Cyclists ==

Nice work on expanding the stubs that I started. Always nice to see the articles grow. Thanks for your hard work. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Dick Laurent is dead]]</sup> 10:56, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome {{u|Lugnuts}}, I started with [[Ossie Nicholson]] which led to Richard Lamb & on it goes - it is a bit addictive, but much easier with newspapers online through Trove. Next thing missing are some photos so I might see if I can find some good sources. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 11:16, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

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:Thanks {{u|Diannaa}} I wasn't aware of the policy for attribution, while I am a contributor to the copied text, I am not the sole contributor [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 23:21, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

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== Senate tables ==

Hey there, good to see some colour going into these. Can you please make sure, though, that "Hon" is not part of the link? Thanks. [[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]] ([[User talk:Frickeg|talk]]) 03:25, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for the feedback [[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]]. The linking happens as part of [[template:sortname]]. As I understand it if you put "Hon" before the sortname, it gets sorted under H. I have a couple of ideas to fix it. Leave it with me & I will see how they work. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 04:10, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
::No dramas at all. I hadn't thought of that - great point! If it can't be fixed it can't - the sorting is more important - but it might be an idea to put a full stop after it ("Hon.") just to differentiate it from their actual name. [[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]] ([[User talk:Frickeg|talk]]) 04:11, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
:::[[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]] that turned out easier than I thought. Have a look at [[Members of the Australian Senate, 1901–1903]] For those with an honorific I used the [[template:sort]] with a manual "surname, first name" sortkey which allowed me to exclude "Hon" from the wikilink. It seems to look right & sort correctly. If you are happy with that page I will update the others. I will also put a comment on the talk page to explain the work-around. -- [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 07:03, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Nice! A couple of minor points:
*This wasn't you, but it should be Labour until 1912. If you're going to be updating them anyway ...?
*There shouldn't be a full stop after Dr (that is US usage).
*I have always included "Sir" within the link, but have been unable to find anything in the MOS to provide guidance on this. To me it seems more natural since the "Sir" is a different kind of title to "Hon".
*Dobson was only Tariff Reform 1903-06 (I suspect only until 1904 in reality, but as we discussed we have little info on this). I fixed this one.
*I like the notes for the casual vacancy end-term, but I think that instead of "casual" it should have the year of term expiry. Any reason it's note "f" rather than "d" (or even "a")?
*Another thing from years ago, but if you're going through updating them would you mind removing the HoR terms from people like Best and Higgs? None of our state lists, or later federal ones, include service in other chambers.
*I believe in sortable lists we're supposed to link every occurrence of things like the states and parties. Given this I would be inclined to include the notes on parties as general notes rather than linking to a specific name.
Really glad you're having a crack at these! A few years ago I designed a table to significantly expand these lists ([[User:Frickeg/Drafts|here]]), but never got around to introducing them for formal consensus and implementation. They'd be a lot of work but I'd still like to try one day (when I have more time)! I'd be interested to hear what you think of them. [[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]] ([[User talk:Frickeg|talk]]) 08:20, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
:Cheers [[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]]. No problem with Labour, Dr & Sir & removing the HoR terms. Thanks for clarifying Dobson.
:*Casual vacancies- I started off with showing until the end of the term, until I came to [[Members of the Australian Senate, 1920–1923]] which highlights one of the complicating factors pre 77 - when Garling & Vardon jnr were appointed, but were replaced at the December 1922 election for a term ending in June 1923 & MacDonald was similarly replaced for a term ending in June 1926. It seemed to me to be a bit confusing to list those 3 as having a term later than they served. Another way to deal with that would be to list the date of that election - they are all known now, even if they weren't at the time of their appointment. Technically in 1903 the terms of Saunders, Mackellar & Reid ended on 16 December rather than 31 December, but I am not aware of any practical effect or indeed any source that cared. With the notes, I initially used reference groups which looks great on the page,{{refn|group=n|Note list}}, clearly distinguished from references.<ref>Reference list</ref> but it gets confused with the numbering at the bottom of the page.
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:To avoid that I have tried using [[Template:Notelist]], which does the same thing but uses a letter code. The advantage over manual notes is you get a mouseover pop-up showing the text, as well as links to the reference & back-up to the text. The lettering is applied automatically, based on the first occurence on the page, so if we want a or d, its simply a matter of fudging the first location.
:I have wondered about linking the States at all - is there going to be a reader interested in lists of members of the Australian senate who don't know what the states are? Easy enough to wikilink the parties & I agree with you about general notes - do you think as part of the lead, or keep them as notes but referred to in the lead?
:Your draft has more information than a simple list which I like. I wonder though whether it gets a bit unwieldy with the expanded Senate. I will think about it some more & get back to you, not that either of us are in a hurry to take on the extra work. -- [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 13:47, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

== Strikethrough ==

Hey! So it's not a huge thing, but I just feel like it's a bit ''too'' much from a "historical revisionism" point of view. The election happened and Culleton/Day were elected, and while that may have later been invalidated, I think actually striking through their names is going too far when we are presenting the results themselves - I feel like the footnote is a far better way of dealing with the issue. I mean, this isn't even that rare - election results have been invalidated ''a lot'' (Senate ones not so much, admittedly), and I feel like the strikethrough is trying to solve a problem that isn't there, and it kind of creates a misleading impression if you don't know the full backstory (Georgiou, for example, was elected at the countback, not the election, and we shouldn't suggest otherwise). [[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]] ([[User talk:Frickeg|talk]]) 06:59, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

== Use of [[Template:Cite AustLII]] ==

Hi. Your recent (3 May) edit to [[Beare-head engine]] went a little wrong. I've fixed this one, but you may want to take another look at some of your similar past edits and/or tweak how you do these edits in future.
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== My holiday ==

Hi, Find bruce

We've been complementing each other I believe rather usefully, so I'd like to let you and any other reader of this know that I will be on holiday for about the next month. Good luck! [[User:Wikiain|Wikiain]] ([[User talk:Wikiain|talk]]) 11:36, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

==Judges==

Thank you! I've got a really broad to-do list for the project, so while I'm going to try to do a bunch of judges, the more the merrier in that effort. The only one of those I was necessarily planning on doing was Collier because she's also a justice of the Supreme Court of PNG. Your articles yesterday were really impressive - you've clearly got a bit better access to sources than I do. It'd be great if there's anything you could add to any I tackle with those extra sources. [[User:The Drover&#39;s Wife|The Drover&#39;s Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover&#39;s Wife|talk]]) 23:13, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Just wanted to say thanks for your work on [[Re Canavan]], great job. I was keen to read through the article and so as I did, I made a few changes to what seemed to me to be minor tidying up grammar and wording etc. If you have any problems with any of my changes, feel free to ask or change back, I just thought after all your work a second pair of eyes might help as sometimes it's hard to see the trees for the forest. Cheers, [[User:Melcous|Melcous]] ([[User talk:Melcous|talk]]) 07:56, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
:My sentiments exactly. Well done, [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]]! [[User:Wikiain|Wikiain]] ([[User talk:Wikiain|talk]]) 03:33, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

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hi {{u|Find bruce}}, hope you don't mind, but i have added [[Jane Mathews]] to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/The 5000 Challenge]] as it is an article about an ozzie:))

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== Stuart Robert ==

It would've been the sensible thing for him (and the LNP) to do. His reindorsement last time reminded me of Labor and Craig Thomson in 2010 - clearly there's still some more stuff to come out there. Given the general tenor of this government (like Rudd/Gillard/Rudd, but worse!), seems likely there's more drama to come! [[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]] ([[User talk:Frickeg|talk]]) 06:54, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
:OK, but please comment only for improvement of the article. [[User:Wikiain|Wikiain]] ([[User talk:Wikiain|talk]]) 12:24, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

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==Thanks!==

It's been really great to see all the work you've been putting in with articles on women judges - Australian law (and the judiciary especially) has been such a neglected topic and you're really doing a stellar job. [[User:The Drover&#39;s Wife|The Drover&#39;s Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover&#39;s Wife|talk]]) 09:06, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
:I appreciate the encouraging words {{ping|The Drover&#39;s Wife}}, nearly as much as the proof reading - I struggle to see the errors in my own work. While I occasionally dabble in current issues, there are plenty of people contributing there & so I prefer to work in neglected areas & women lawyers fits that bill. There are some great sites that make it easy though, such as [http://www.womenaustralia.info/lawyers/browse_.htm Australian Women Lawyers] & the [https://www.nswbar.asn.au/the-bar-association/pioneering-women/ Pioneering women]. The women in red contest saw articles on almost all women judges of superior courts so I am now working my way through them to add an infobox & bring them up to start class. If there are any that you think need some work, please feel free to let me know. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 20:35, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
::So, this is my to-do list: WA seems to be pretty bad: [[Lindy Jenkins]] and [[Janine Pritchard]] are as short as they come, and current judges [[Katrina Banks-Smith]] and [[Gail Archer]] and past judge [[Narelle Johnson]] lack articles. SA is still missing [[Trish Kelly]]. Vic is still missing [[Jane Dixon (judge)|Jane Dixon]] and [[Rosemary Balmford]]. [[Berna Collier]] on the Federal Court still needs one. [[Helen Wood (judge)|Helen Wood]] in Tas, [[Rita Zammit]] and [[Melanie Sloss]] in Vic and [[Debra Mullins]] and [[Ann Lyons (judge)|Ann Lyons]] in Qld are very basic. I'm finally going to have some time on my hands come Friday so will be tackling some of these, but you always seem to manage to turn up more than I do. [[User:The Drover&#39;s Wife|The Drover&#39;s Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover&#39;s Wife|talk]]) 09:37, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

== Senate lists ==

Hey there, I noticed a couple of things when I was going through recent Senate lists updating Brandis' and Colbeck's terms and just wanted to raise them here.
*I actually quite like the little summary tables at the top, but they need to clarify that they depict the Senate as it was when the new term began (i.e. 1 July 20XX). The notes do imply that but it needs to be clearly stated somewhere.
*Something to note for the future: per [[WP:MCSTJR]], surnames beginning with "Mc" (as opposed to "Mac") are sorted as "Mc" rather than "Mac". So, for example, Jenny McAllister would appear after Brett Mason in an alphabetised list. (I don't blame you for not knowing this - I knew this had been a thing somewhere, but it took me a really long time to find it!) I can't be bothered to fix all of these now, especially if I might be going through them fixing up the notes soon anyway.
Cheers, [[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]] ([[User talk:Frickeg|talk]]) 08:10, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

:Thanks {{ping|Frickeg}} I have always been of the view that Mc should be sorted as Mac - probably because my family name has been spelt both ways over generations. Never knew wp had a policy, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. Out of curiosity I checked the lists in Hansard & right from 1901 they were sorted as Mc. Agree with you about the summaries - I'll follow your lead on how to clarify them. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 09:06, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

::I believe the reasoning is that the Mc-as-Mac thing is rather old-fashioned and is deprecated by the majority of style guides - it's seen as a relic of the days of paper and ink. Although I was not involved in any of the discussions, I suspect that ease of machine sorting played a part as well (indeed I believe this is a major reason that Mc-as-Mac is dying out). I do find it very surprising indeed that Hansard was going with Mc-as-Mc right from the start! (The Parliamentary Handbooks, by contrast, seem to go with Mc-as-Mac.)

::With the table summaries - I'm thinking maybe a heading, "Senate as at 1 July 20XX, with changes noted"? Kind of clumsy but I'm struggling to come up with something better. Maybe worth seeking further input on that one. [[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]] ([[User talk:Frickeg|talk]]) 12:25, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

:::Something like [[Members of the Australian Senate, 1929–1932]] ? [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 01:03, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

::::That looks great! [[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]] ([[User talk:Frickeg|talk]]) 06:15, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

{{outdent|4}} {{ping|Frickeg}} I think I have fixed all of the Mc sort order issues & have added a title to the tables as per 1929-32 for all the pages up to [[Members of the Australian Senate, 2008–2011|2008]] when they change to using a different format - I will need to check the effect before I do anything to those. For Senates after a double dissolution I have used the first sitting day of the Senate - eg [[Members of the Australian Senate, 1975–1978|1975]] Let me know if I have missed any. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 03:40, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

:Thank you so much for doing this. For DDs - if we are being technical it should be the day of the election as that is when their terms start (1 July is not necessarily the first sitting day after a half-Senate). But I will probably be going through to fix up the notes soonish so I don't mind making that change then. [[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]] ([[User talk:Frickeg|talk]]) 07:58, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

== Gibbs retirement/resignation ==

Although the motivation for Gibbs leaving the Court was the impending operation of section 72 of the Constitution, he actually resigned on 5 February, one day prior to the operation of section 72 on 6 February (his birth date being 7 February). It is clear that this was done in order to ensure that Mason could be sworn in immediately (6 February being a Friday) rather than the following Monday.

Consistent with how the resignation/retirement part has been dealt with in the [[List of Justices of the High Court of Australia|article]], I believe this should be recorded as a resignation not a retirement because he would have had to formally resign his commission on 5 February rather than simply allow the Constitution to operate on 6 February. Although it was a matter of one day, there seems to me to be no reason to distinguish this situation from those of Kirby and French, for example, whose resignations were motivated by the impending operation of section 72 but chose to do so a few weeks earlier in order to allow replacement justices to commence at the beginning of the Court's term. [[User:Shadow007|Shadow007]] ([[User talk:Shadow007|talk]]) 01:47, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks [[User:Shadow007|Shadow007]] its an interesting point that I will have a think about. If that approach were adopted, wouldn't it follow that every "retirement" before then would in fact be a resignation? The designation of retirement / resignation seems to me to be a bit random. I find it hard to accept that Rich's cessation of office aged 87 was anything but a retirement. Similarly Starke aged 79. On the other end of the scale, Gaudron, aged 60, would appear to be a resignation. More fundamentally are you aware of any authoritative list that deals with the issue ? [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 02:22, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

:{{ping|Find bruce}} I am not aware of any source that definitively establishes the difference. There are two relevant time periods; first, prior to mandatory retirement and, second, after mandatory retirement. In relation to the first period, I think the difference comes down to the career the Justice had after leaving the Court. So Griffith held no substantial positions after leaving, therefore is said to have retired, whereas Isaacs became Governor-General and so is said to have resigned in order to take up that office. It appears that this has been very inconsistently applied. For example, [[Charles Powers]] is listed as resigning but there is nothing in his article to suggest he held any substantial positions after leaving the Court, therefore I think that is a retirement.

:In relation to the second period, I think the difference is whether the Justice leaves the Court prior to the operation of section 72 and mandatory retirement. Leaving aside Gibbs, all Justices who served up until the day before their 70th birthday (Mason, Brennan, McHugh, Callinan, Gummow, Heydon, Hayne) would be retirements whereas the other judges that resigned before their 70th birthdays (Wilson, Deane, Dawson, Toohey, Gaudron, Kirby, Crennan, French) would be resignations. The article is inconsistent here too because Kirby and French are currently listed as retirements although previous versions of the article (which included an edit by me re French which was later changed) had both of these as resignations. Similarly, Gaudron was previously a resignation and then was edited to a retirement at some point. I have not tracked down all the relevant edits.

:It might be that the column is rather pointless. For example, [[List of Justices of the Supreme Court of the United States]] does not contain such a column. It could perhaps be replaced by a "Notes" column where significant things such as whether the Justice died in office or resigned to take up another positions, like Governor-General, could be noted. [[User:Shadow007|Shadow007]] ([[User talk:Shadow007|talk]]) 03:39, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

::{{ping|Shadow007}} I think this is worthwhile discussing, but that should take place on the talk page of the article so that any other interested editor can have their input - are you happy for me to simply copy it across ? [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 04:19, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

:::{{ping|Find bruce}} Yes, happy with that. [[User:Shadow007|Shadow007]] ([[User talk:Shadow007|talk]]) 05:03, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

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== RfA !vote ==

Hi there! I noticed that at [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/L235|L235's RfA]], your oppose is predicated on a forum post that Lourdes linked to. This falls afoul of our very strict [[WP:DOX]] policy. It should have never been linked to, as L235 has never mentioned it themselves. For privacy reasons, please remove the quote from the forum that your !vote contains. I also think you should strike the whole comment. Potential admins have the same right to privacy as other Wikipedians and linking to an off-wiki account that an editor has never mentioned is serious harassment. Thank you. <span class="nowrap">— '''[[User:Bilorv|Bilorv]]'''<sub>[[Special:Contribs/Bilorv|(c)]][[User talk:Bilorv|('''talk''')]]</sub></span> 08:55, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
:Sorry [[User:Bilorv|Bilorv]] but as I do not agree with your interpretation of WP:DOX and the link contained no personal information identified therein. If a crat strikes my reasons for the vote then so be it, but in the absence of a clear policy I will not be doing so voluntarily. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 22:19, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

== AustLII ID - proposed property on Wikidata ==

I note your interest in Australian legal issues, and wonder if you'd be interested in commenting on [[:wikidata:Wikidata:Property_proposal/AustLII_ID]]. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 07:45, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation {{ping|99of9}}, however I have never dabbled in wikidata & have no idea of the benefits or implications for the project. Is there a primer anywhere ? [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 22:36, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
:There are a whole series of events coming up [https://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Wikidata_Tour_Down_Under_(2018) Wikidata Tour Down Under]. Here is the official [[:wikidata:Wikidata:Introduction|Introduction]]. But what inspires me the most about it is how once the data is in, you can ask powerful questions across the whole dataset, connecting properties that would not usually be stored in the same database. Here are a long list of [[:wikidata:Wikidata:SPARQL_query_service/queries/examples|Examples]]. Legal items tend to be very underdeveloped at the moment, so for example here is a well populated item [[:wikidata:Q52226969]], but there are very few clearly identified [https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20%3Fitem%20%3Flabel%20%3F_image%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP31%20wd%3AQ2334719.%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP1001%7Cwdt%3AP17%7Cwdt%3AP131%20wd%3AQ408.%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22en%22%20.%20%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fitem%20rdfs%3Alabel%20%3Flabel%0A%20%20%7D%0A%20%20%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP18%20%3F_image.%20%7D%0A%7D%0ALIMIT%20100 Australian cases], and even most of them have very little other info attached. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 23:23, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks {{ping|99of9}}. I am familiar with R v Governor of SA; ex parte Vardon, having been the primary contributor to the article [[Blundell v Vardon]] which includes the 3 cases that were part of that controversy. Looking at [[:wikidata:Q52226969]], it does not link to the [[Blundell v Vardon#R v Governor of South Australia; Ex parte Vardon|section]] that discusses the case & as I understand it, cannot link to a section, nor to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%22%5B1907%5D+HCA+31%22&title=Special:Search&profile=default&fulltext=1&searchToken=3hmpk7m68bl435vqn3ns2hq8k 5 articles] that refer to the case. Unless there is some way to automate the process, for example using [[Template:Cite AustLII]] it would appear to involve considerable work to populate the data. While data is underutilised in legal matters, I am not yet seeing how this work would pay off. I am not opposed to the concept, I'm just not enthusiastic about contributing. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 05:52, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
:::You're right that wikidata only associates links with whole wiki articles, not sections. A link between both wikidata items is possible (i.e. one could use property "[[:wikidata:Property:P361|part of]]" to link to show that it was a subsection of the other). Similarly cases that cite a particluar case can use the property "[[:wikidata:Property:P2860|cites]]". Wikidata is big on automation and semi-automation. Once a property is available, then the process starts with matching to existing items (e.g. via the citation template you mention, or using semi-automatic fuzzy matching tools like Mix'n'Match that are in widespread use at Wikidata). Then if the database you have matched has data of its own, this can sometimes be imported automatically. No problem if you don't want to participate, but it might be worth keeping in touch if we do any mass imports. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 07:21, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

== Australian judges ==

Hi Find Bruce
When you add red-linked items to DAB pages, could you be sure to include a blue link where the item is mentioned, as I did for [[John Bond]], [[Peter Davis]], and [[Susan Brown]]? DAB pages are supposed to lead readers to existing content and stand-alone red links tend to be removed. Thanks, [[User:Leschnei|Leschnei]] ([[User talk:Leschnei|talk]]) 14:06, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
:Thanks {{ping|Leschnei}}, both for for letting me how it should be done, why & for fixing up those three judges. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 14:55, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
::You're very welcome. [[User:Leschnei|Leschnei]] ([[User talk:Leschnei|talk]]) 14:56, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

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== 40 hour week in article Commonwealth Court of Conciliation and Arbitration ==

Just wanted to mention I added an entry on the CCA Talk page. I highlighted the opportunity to expand the Notable Decisions section with the 40-hour week case. I left some details of citable sources I came across while editing the section for readability. [[User:Prime Lemur|Prime Lemur]] ([[User talk:Prime Lemur|talk]]) 03:55, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

== thanks ==
for your work on West Australian judges - there is clearly a deficit on both side of the articles in that area [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 01:53, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
:Indeed. Further improvement is on my list- identifying the shortfalls was one of the reasons I have created the list of judges for WA & elsewhere. Sadly that list is long, but it won't be a disaster if it takes time. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 02:36, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

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==Security of tenure list==

Amazing job on [[List of Australian judges whose security of tenure was challenged]] - you've really done a thorough job, explained all the cases really well and come up with a smart way of framing that list. It's such a pleasure to log on and see new stuff like this. [[User:The Drover&#39;s Wife|The Drover&#39;s Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover&#39;s Wife|talk]]) 02:32, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

:{{ping|The Drover&#39;s Wife}} Thanks for your kind words of encouragement. I have spoken a few times about judicial independence in Australia & am working on an article & found it was easier to create the list first so that individual cases then illustrate the points made by the sources. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 08:12, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

::Looking forward to reading it. Was Richard Pithouse excluded for any reason? [[User:The Drover&#39;s Wife|The Drover&#39;s Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover&#39;s Wife|talk]]) 08:28, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

:::Timing was the only reason Richard Pithouse wasn't included - yet. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 08:32, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

::::{{ping|The Drover&#39;s Wife}} I have added Richard Pithouse (& a couple of early ones I had missed). The main article [[Judicial independence in Australia]] is now up. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 01:05, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

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== Category:Admiralty case law ==

I do not accept your reversions of my edits of "Category: Maritime case law"

Please note that the term Admiralty Law is not only going out of use, (Aleka Mandaraka-Sheppards's book "Modern Admiralty Law" became "Modern Maritime Law" in subsequent editions; and the [[Liverpool John Moores University|LJMU]] module "Admiralty Law" became "Maritime Law") but also it strictly covers only "wet law' (i.e. liens, ship arrest, collisions, salvage, towage, etc). I changed the category to Maritime case law, as "Maritime law" covers both wet and dry law (the latter covering carriage of goods by sea, [[Maritime Labour Convention|the MLC]], marine insurance, etc). The cases in the category so far are mainly dry law (and NOT admiralty cases).

I will not revert your reverts immediately, but I may do so unless I receive a reasoned and convincing response. [[User:Arrivisto|Arrivisto]] ([[User talk:Arrivisto|talk]]) 11:14, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

:{{ping|Arrivisto}} when you go to [[:Category:Maritime case law]], you will notice that it is a redirect & comes with the message "'''Note:''' This category should be empty", hence my revert. This reflects the situation that [[Maritime law]] is also a redirect. I agree with what [[user:Postdlf]] said in answer to the same post on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Postdlf&oldid=880131851 their talk page]. If there is consensus to rename [[Admiralty law]] then changing the category would be appropriate. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 21:25, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

::{{ping|Find bruce}} I'm prepared to wait for consensus. Perhaps there is (not for the first time) a difference in UK & US usage. In the UK, "admiralty law" is now regarded as an archaism. In the meantime, I will create an independent category Maritime law, which will become the home of "dry law" cases. [[User:Arrivisto|Arrivisto]] ([[User talk:Arrivisto|talk]]) 13:47, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

:::{{ping|Arrivisto}} I wouldn't claim expertise about either UK or US usage. In Australia our High Court's jurisdiction is defined following the US example of "Admiralty and maritime jurisdiction". There is currently mixed usage of admiralty law, maritime law & the compendium, admiralty and maritime law. I am not aware of any consensus that divides cases into wet law & dry law - the phrase "wet law" does not appear to be used in any Australian law journal or reported case. Mandaraka-Sheppards's book "Modern Maritime Law" includes matters that you would define as wet law. I note that the article [[Admiralty law]] goes no further than the unsourced [[WP:WEASEL|weasel words]] that "some lawyers" hold a view that they are distinct. There does not, at present, appear to be enough articles in the category to warrant further classification. In any event the two articles you have previously tagged fit solely within your definition of wet law, ''[[Wake-Walker v SS Colin W Ltd]]''- collision & ''[[SS Kalibia v Wilson]]''- while it may look at first blush like a compensation claim, was in fact about the arrest of the ship until a bond of £500 was paid. Again I would recommend that you begin by proposing the article be renamed to attract a wider audience. If you are not sure how to commence the process, let me know & I will help. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 21:39, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

::::{{ping|Find bruce}} The page https://www.law.ac.uk/futurelawyers/practice-areas/shipping/ provides: "While some shipping lawyers are generalists, most tend to specialise and fall into either “wet shipping”, which relates to accidents on the high seas or “dry shipping”, which deals with contractual and commercial matters and can involve a contentious side, for example, where there are contractual disputes." I assure you, this terminology is in common usage in English maritime circles. [[User:Arrivisto|Arrivisto]] ([[User talk:Arrivisto|talk]]) 21:57, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

==Solicitor-Generals==

That makes perfect sense - sorry, I had assumed since everyone else was linked that it was a case of treating it as an inherently notable office. I just did some searches into them both since you mentioned it. Berkeley has [https://www.newspapers.com/search/#query=%22hartog+berkeley%22&p_place=Australia 214 newspapers.com hits] that generally seem fairly substantive (he seems to have also been a high-profile chairman of the bar) and I'm pretty confident I could write a decent article about him. Graham is harder to search for due to his common name but seems to be more borderline: [https://www.newspapers.com/search/#query=%22douglas+graham+qc%22&offset=10&p_place=Australia "Douglas Graham QC"] turns up a lot of "Graham said so-and-so on behalf of so-and-so-client" and [https://www.newspapers.com/search/#query=%22douglas+graham%22+%22solicitor-general%22&p_place=Australia "Douglas Graham" "solicitor-general"] turns up a lot of standard solicitor-general stuff but the argument could well be made. I don't have a strong opinion either way, but if we're treating them the same way it might be better to just throw one together on Graham as well and have articles on everyone - happy to go with your call anyway. [[User:The Drover&#39;s Wife|The Drover&#39;s Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover&#39;s Wife|talk]]) 03:22, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

==Categories==

I think it's a really good idea to have this conversation - I agree with diffusing the category, but it's complex enough that it really needs to be discussed so we don't make a hash of it. I objected to a previous diffusion attempt because of the lack of categories to comprehensively diffuse by court, which was what led to the CfD rename attempt. I agree with just creating [[:Category:Australian judges by court]]. I think the "Colony of X judges" categories need some work, because they're frequently placed in there instead of placing them in the court categories. I also think the federal and state judges categories make sense - what were you thinking of calling them, and where in the hierarchy would they go? Not a fan of having "current X" categories (the current is superfluous and unnecessary); "abolished X" categories are another matter and we've got tons of them. [[User:The Drover&#39;s Wife|The Drover&#39;s Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover&#39;s Wife|talk]]) 14:21, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

:I'm afraid that I'm basically done with Wikipedia at this point - too much pointless conflict that I just don't need. [[User:The Drover&#39;s Wife|The Drover&#39;s Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover&#39;s Wife|talk]]) 07:51, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

::I am saddened to hear that [[User:The Drover&#39;s Wife|The Drover&#39;s Wife]], but I understand your response to the pointless conflict that occurs - I tend to limit my editing to areas that do not attract that sort of controversy. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 22:53, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

== NSW Parliament cite template ==

Thanks so much for all the work and cleanup you're doing in this area - the cite template is great! [[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]] ([[User talk:Frickeg|talk]]) 06:27, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

== 1987 Senate election, seat allocation ==

Hi, where did you get this info from?

[[Members_of_the_Australian_Senate,_1987–1990]]

''The effect of this system was that Democrat Senators Paul McLean and Janet Powell got a long term instead of National Senators David Brownhill and Julian McGauran. There was no net effect on Labor and Liberal in that in South Australia, Labor Senator Graham Maguire got a long term instead of Liberal Senator Robert Hill, while in Queensland, Liberal Senator Warwick Parer got a long term instead of Labor Senator Gerry Jones.[5][6] Senators took their seats immediately following the election on 11 July 1987. The four territory senators were elected in July 1987 and their terms ended at the next federal election, which was March 1990.''

Odgers only mentions the Democrats and Nationals Senators. I want to update the info here:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/electoral-reform/broken-promises-stolen-senate-seats.html#difference-two-seats

Also, I would like to have a separate wikipedia page for the discussion of this particular issue (two methods to allocate long and short term seats). It keeps getting knocked back as "undue". I am currently discussing it on the [[Talk:Derryn_Hinch#3_year_senate_term]] page, and would appreciate any suggestions on the best way to do it.

[[User:Oz freediver|Oz freediver]] ([[User talk:Oz freediver|talk]]) 09:07, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

:Reference #5 - {{citation |title=Rotation of Senators |url=http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/chamber/hansards/1987-09-17/toc_pdf/S%201987-09-17.pdf}}: at page 197 per Liberal Senator Teague "I note that there would be a change over from Labor to a Liberal senator in Queensland and the reverse would apply in my State of South Australia". Jones, Parer, Hill & Maguire are all identified by Labor Senator Ray at p 210. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 13:06, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

:: Thanks [[User:Oz freediver|Oz freediver]] ([[User talk:Oz freediver|talk]]) 23:16, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi Bruce, can you please do a text search in this article [[Section_13_of_the_Constitution_of_Australia]] for "and 1914". The second reference to 1914 is a bit confusing. I think this was one of your edits.[[User:Oz freediver|Oz freediver]] ([[User talk:Oz freediver|talk]]) 11:05, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

{{ping|Oz freediver}} I can only assume that was a copy/paste error, but whatever, its gone now. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]])

== Notes in member lists ==

I really like this solution - great thinking! It would be nice if there were a way to make that final note invisible, but I suspect there might not be and I think the benefits in this case vastly outweight the oddness. [[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]] ([[User talk:Frickeg|talk]]) 02:49, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

== Added a new whitelist proposal - firsttimemarinekeeper.com ==

Hi,
You have blacklisted a site, firsttimemarinekeeper.com. I wonder if you did actually click any of the links you have removed? I can't understand why you would remove them because each link was a direct link to a page that was about how to care for that particular species of fish in an aquarium.
If you visit the site you will not see any adverts or sales pages as it is not a site for making money, it is just a resource for people who are looking for information about how to care for a certain type of fish in an aquarium.
It is a useful site with solid information about care requirements, water parameters, minimum tank sizes etc.
Please reconsider adding it to a blacklist.
User: Xoxpebblesxox

== oz pol ==
auspicious times - there has been such a dropoff on the list of actually activepol participants good to see you signed up! [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 12:34, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
:Thanks {{ping|JarrahTree}} - I've actually been active for a while, thought it was time to own up to it. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 12:38, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
:: lost some active plodders who were prepared to keep talk pages up to scratch and so on - retired/blocked all the usual... [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 12:40, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
:::{{ping|JarrahTree}} that's the way it seems to go - most people like to contribute to the controversial & current. I get enough drama in real life so am happy to do more of the low profile stuff. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 12:44, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

==UWA==

Be very careful of using that source - it's error-ridden (at least in terms of numbers) and basically unreliable for our purposes most of the time. We've had some real problems in the past where people've assumed it was good and started replacing correct figures in existing articles with stuff that was wildly incorrect. [[User:The Drover&#39;s Wife|The Drover&#39;s Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover&#39;s Wife|talk]]) 09:01, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
:Thanks for the warning {{ping|The Drover's Wife}}. In this case I had noticed & was triple checking with psephos & existing figures including the results page- but I can still get it wrong & as always I am happy to be corrected. The problem is the confusion about whether [[Frederick Holder]] was included in the Free Trade / Anit-Socialists or as an independent. Interesting person - serving as speaker under 5 different prime ministers & as far as I can tell the only one who thought the speaker should be independent from party politics. There are arguments wither way for whether he was described as a party member or independent, but the problem is that the totals didn't match the party numbers. I'm still not sure that I have it right, so may have to go back to adding up the seats. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 11:08, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
::I'd take anything UWA says on those kinds of distinctions with a grain of salt - they're very prone to going "yeah we'll put whatever as long as we get some stats up", and as I said it's not unusual for their figures to differ from other sources because they just made shit up ("oh, we dunno where to put this guy, we'll just throw him over here"). Psephos and the sources used for the existing figures are much more reliable - if they don't agree, I usually answer those sorts of questions with Trove because you can see what he was considered as in period sources. [[User:The Drover&#39;s Wife|The Drover&#39;s Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover&#39;s Wife|talk]]) 11:13, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

== Regard to Australia 2019 Election Map ==

Hello. Just wanted to clear some issues up. Thanks for reaching out to communicate regarding this.

I uploaded three Australia maps in my new format. One was a plain one showing parties, I uploaded a similar map for the 2016 election. The other two showed the first preference vote (out initial vote) as compared to the final runoff vote map. I uploaded both so users could see how the vote changed in each of the 151 divisions.

I've now noticed a different version of my previous Australia map (uploaded by another user) is now the default map. That map is formatted for the previous 2016 election and is not accurate to the borders of the 2019 election, which my map is directly traced from maps for the 2019 boundaries and I specifically made it for this Wikipedia page.

So, yeah. The other maps being used have inaccurate boundaries. My map is accurate. to the current borders, so keeping the older ones on would be inaccurate.

== trove newspapers ==
It is really good to see that you have managed to create a category that identifies newspapers that are on trove - are you aware of how that evolved ? Also if you do know it/dont know - there is a possibility there is actually a separate article than the trove article as to how it all happened. It is also still an unfinished state - there are more holes in it all than there are in.... (choose your colander metaphor here). [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 12:13, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

== Ways to improve Results of the 2007 Australian federal election in Western Australia ==

Hello, Find bruce,

Thanks for creating [[Results of the 2007 Australian federal election in Western Australia]]! I edit here too, under the username [[User:Boleyn|Boleyn]] and it's nice to meet you :-)

I wanted to let you know that [[User:Boleyn|I]] have tagged [[Results of the 2007 Australian federal election in Western Australia|the page]] as having some issues to fix, as a part of our [[WP:NPP|page curation process]] and note that:-

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[[User:Boleyn|Boleyn]] ([[User talk:Boleyn|talk]]) 12:43, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

:{{Re|Boleyn}} thank you for your message. It is unclear to me why you have added an unreferenced tag to a page that has two references, that contain all of the detail included in the list. Perhaps the fact that the page is entirely transcluded from other pages has confused your process. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 22:53, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
::Hello, I'm not sure why it showed up as unref, but sorry for sending you the message in error. Thanks, [[User:Boleyn|Boleyn]] ([[User talk:Boleyn|talk]]) 06:01, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

== Formatting issue ==

Hi there! Earlier today I reverted a change you'd made to a citation at [[John Jobling]], because it created a broken formatting issue. I figured it was a one-off error possibly caused by using a script/bot/other thing I probably don't understand. However, I'm now seeing a similar error at [[James Murdoch (New South Wales politician)]]. I'm not checking up on you, I was just scanning down the list of recent "ref tag is missing the closing ref tag" errors and noticed the similarity. It seems rather rude of me to revert again, so I figured I would drop you a line just to let you know. When you have time, would you mind taking a look? Thank you! [[User:Jessicapierce|Jessicapierce]] ([[User talk:Jessicapierce|talk]]) 04:03, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
:Thanks for letting me know {{ping|Jessicapierce}} - I have fixed Jobling & now Murdoch - the error was the same for both - I am new to AWB & my script doesn't work perfectly so I have a backup spreadsheet to fix the reference manually but in these cases I accidentally left two reference names. Given the whole point of my edits was to fix errors, I am now concerned whether there are any more. Is there a list of the pages with "ref tag is missing the closing ref tag" errors? I don't like creating work for others so am happy to check to make sure these were isolated incidents. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 05:20, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
::Thanks for the reply! And thanks for your attention to those errors - I figured it was something like that. There may be a more elegant way to find these errors, but I always just run [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=20&offset=0&profile=default&search=%22tag+is+missing+the+closing%22&advancedSearch-current=%7B%7D&ns0=1&searchToken=1ummxqj5t3brukklemwkrskd4 this search]. I scanned through the top 60 or so, and didn't immediately see any others that looked like similar topics to what you were editing.
::I'll probably be spending some time tomorrow cleaning up the backlog of that error (I've been away for a bit), so if I do run across any of your other edits in there, I'll be glad to drop you a line if you'd like. Cheers, [[User:Jessicapierce|Jessicapierce]] ([[User talk:Jessicapierce|talk]]) 05:26, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
:::Hi there, just wanted to let you know I ran across a similar error [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Electoral_results_for_the_district_of_Davidson&diff=next&oldid=895270499 here], at [[Electoral results for the district of Davidson]]. In this case a closing ref tag was omitted, as were the closing curly brackets for the election box, which caused issues. I think I fixed it, but just wanted to give you a heads-up. Cheers! [[User:Jessicapierce|Jessicapierce]] ([[User talk:Jessicapierce|talk]]) 15:32, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
::::Thanks {{ping|Jessicapierce}} - embarrassingly it was the manual part of my edit that caused my error rather than AWB settings - I will finesse the AWB settings to minimise any manual edits before running that script again. Given the recent dramas apparently involved allegations of stalking I wanted to reassure you that I appreciate your feedback & in particular (1) I know you are not stalking me - oh so many better things in life & (2) it doesn't bother me if you were. Cheers [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 00:10, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::Well that made me laugh. I'm not a stalker, unless you count ref errors. But if I do decide to become one, I will start with you. :) [[User:Jessicapierce|Jessicapierce]] ([[User talk:Jessicapierce|talk]]) 00:44, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

== NSW election pages ==

Thanks for all the work you've been doing on historical NSW elections and NSW electorates. [[User:Bookscale|Bookscale]] ([[User talk:Bookscale|talk]]) 03:17, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

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== Merging NSW election results pages ==

Sorry about the mess that happened tonight with the 1927 NSW election results pages. I was just wondering if there is any way that this issue with those pages can be solved without messing up the transclusions, because they really don't need to be split up into A-L and M-Z anymore, since results for all 90 districts can fit onto the one page now.

Earlier last year I was going through other state election pages and merging the A-L, M-Z results together for other states and attempted the same tonight, but it seems to have caused a big mess instead. Any solutions? [[User:Kirsdarke01|Kirsdarke01]] ([[User talk:Kirsdarke01|talk]]) 09:55, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
:Thanks {{Ping|Kirsdarke01}}. I agree that A-L, M-Z & the A-K and ndash or hyphen variations are sub-optimal, which is why I transcluded them to a single page so that [[Template:Results of New South Wales state elections]] lists a single page for each election rather than the messy alternative. As far as I can tell, every link to [[Results of the 1927 New South Wales state election]] is from the use of that template. A few of issues:
::#'''Copyright issue''' - creative commons requires attribution, WP does that through the page history. Simply cutting & pasting loses that history. Copying from multiple pages at once makes it impossible to add the attribution to a subsequent edit summary. As I understand it the somewhat clunky solution would be (1) copy material from M-Z & paste into A-L with an edit summary, eg "Results copied content from [[Results of the 1927 New South Wales state election (M-Z)]]; see that page's history for attribution." (2) move "Results of the 1927 New South Wales state election (A-L)" to "Results of the 1927 New South Wales state election" which preserves the history for A-L. (3) redirect "Results of the 1927 New South Wales state election (M-Z)" to "Results of the 1927 New South Wales state election"
::#'''Duplication''' - in Australian election pages the results are duplicated & for current elections triplicated - (1) election results for the jurisdiction (2) election results for the district page & (3) latest results in the district page. This repetition creates unecessary work & also introduces inconsistencies when an edit is made to 1 page & not others. For the 2019 Federal election we set it up so that the state results page was the master document, eg [[Results of the 2019 Australian federal election in Victoria]]. The results are then transcluded for each district, eg [[Division of Bruce]] & [[Electoral results for the Division of Bruce]]. I am around half way through doing this for all NSW elections, eg the 1927 results are transcluded to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Electoral_results_for_the_district_of_Parramatta&oldid=918399963 Electoral results for the district of Parramatta].
::#'''Complication''' - when you redirect a page that is transcluded, it mostly works, but it introduced a non-obvious error. If you go to Parramatta, you will note there is an edit link which takes the editor to the page where the results are actually located so that changes can be easily made - wikipedia is editable by anyone. Go to 1965 & click edit - you don't go to the actual results page, but to a redirect page. Yes its possible to use AWB go through every district results page & fix the links, but I am sure you understand its additional work that I am not keen to take on.
:The current set up is the best compromise I have been able to come up with so far, but I am always happy to discuss if there is a better way to do it. --[[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 13:59, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Kirsdarke01}} I have had further thoughts about the issue - the complication already exists because of the inconsistent use of dash or ndash in the title, so the tidy up needs to be done anyway. I have started 1927 as per the merge process noted above, but of course I can't complete the rename because "Results of the 1927 New South Wales state election" exists so I have requested the page be deleted to allow the rename. If that suceeds, I will work through the same for the other pages 1930-1995 --[[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 04:52, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

== Alleged joke edit ==

My edit to [[List of judges of the Federal Court of Australia]] was not a joke edit. The man's name is Neil John Young: https://www.vicbar.com.au/profile/6018 [[User:Fat Red|Fat Red]] ([[User talk:Fat Red|talk]]) 22:45, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

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== NSW elections - seat results ==

Hey there, I just noticed some pages seem to be in a bit of a mess with the transclusions - e.g. why are results on main pages not sub-pages for [[Electoral district of Gloucester]] (and I assume others), and there seem to be a whole lot of empty results? Would you mind having a check through these? [[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]] ([[User talk:Frickeg|talk]]) 06:42, 3 January 2020 (UTC)<p>

Hi {{u|Frickeg}}, I am away & only on mobile, but I think I know what you are referring to. Most results prior to 1904 should be blank as that is where I was up to. For former districts that were just a list of members I have added the results to the district page, otherwise the results page would be identical. As soon as they have some detail it’s easy enough to move the results.

I wont be doing much before February - [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 08:11, 3 January 2020 (UTC)</p>

:All good, just checking - it looked like there might have been an error. I think it's probably better to have results on their own pages long-term, just to keep things consistent, but there's no rush. Your work in general here has been amazing. [[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]] ([[User talk:Frickeg|talk]]) 10:02, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

::Thanks & I agree with you about the long term. --[[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 10:14, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

==Pithouse==

Pithouse is a magistrate, not a County Court judge, so not surprising he's not listed on the County Court website! Google News also confirms that he's still around, given that his judgments are in the newspaper court reports from the last fortnight. [[User:The Drover&#39;s Wife|The Drover&#39;s Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover&#39;s Wife|talk]]) 01:58, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
:You're right, thanks for picking that up, don't know what I was thinking. --[[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 04:46, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

== HCA ==

Please don't just revert people's edits - it's rude, it doesn't help build articles, and in this case it is based on a false premise: lists are allowed to have references (have a look at any featured list to see what is expected). [[User:Bookscale|Bookscale]] ([[User talk:|talk]]) 12:46, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|Bookscale}} I am sorry that you think that reverting a good faith edit is rude. It is however a feature of both the commonly used [[Wikipedia:cycle|bold, revert, discuss cycle]] and the [[WP:UNDO|MediaWiki software]], which includes the message "If you are undoing an edit that is not vandalism, explain the reason in the edit summary", which is what I did. There is a [[WP:3RR|3 revert rule]], not a 0 revert rule. If you find the revert notifications to be intrusive or unwelcome, you might want to turn them off - see [[WP:RNO|revert notification opt-out]]. I welcome discussion of the content issue, however it is better that occur on the articles talk page. --[[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 03:37, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
::Ok, fair enough, but I would have appreciated a comment on the talk page or my talk page about the edit too, that's all I'm saying. [[User:Bookscale|Bookscale]] ([[User talk:Bookscale|talk]]) 08:52, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

==[[John Lincoln]]==
The article on John Francis Lincoln at [[John Lincoln]] has been lost by another covering over it sometime in the last year. How can we put back the article on the NSW District Court Judge? [[User:Castlemate|Castlemate]] ([[User talk:Castlemate|talk]]) 00:04, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
:{{Donetask}} Thanks {{Ping|Castlemate}} - an explanation of how I have dealt with it is at [[Talk:John Lincoln]]

== [[George Donald]] ==

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=George_Donald&action=history uhm say what] ? there are zero similarities or comparisons between the texts, what brought that on ?<!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dave Rave|Dave Rave]] ([[User talk:Dave Rave#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dave Rave|contribs]]) 20:40, 11 April 2020 (UTC)</small>

:{{ping|Dave Rave}} please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~&#126;~~). I am not sure why you are raising this with me as I neither made the edit nor reverted it. I suspect that it is to do with the use of material from the [https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/heritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=5045513 Sydney Heritage Register] which requires attribution, but I suggest you take that up with Rangasyd and / or JavaHurricane. --[[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 11:01, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
:: silly me, I read the 'to version by' and read it as you doing the reverting, sorry.[[User:Dave Rave|Dave Rave]] ([[User talk:Dave Rave|talk]]) 22:43, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

== Barnstar for NSW Election results ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Your contributions to NSW election results have been incredible. Thank you so much for what you're doing, I'm very impressed. [[User:Kirsdarke01|Kirsdarke01]] ([[User talk:Kirsdarke01|talk]]) 08:45, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
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:Indeed, very much deserved! [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond|talk]]) 21:17, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

:Thanks for your kind words [[User:Kirsdarke01|Kirsdarke01]] - it has got much quicker since [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] showed me what was possible with programming - while I am still using excel, my macro is now a single click & so each electorate is less than 30 seconds. --[[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 22:47, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
::I'm still yet to figure out what I showed you that made the difference, but I'm glad to have helped even if I don't know how :-) [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond|talk]]) 00:11, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
:::[[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] mostly what you did was ask the right questions - in thinking about the answers I realised that it was something I could do with a few tweaks for each election. --[[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 01:29, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

== best yet awb summary seen ==

someone should give you a barnstart for your ''hairspace'' [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 05:57, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

indeed my edit summaries have a banality that has never enthused a similar response, which is either a sign of the relative disinterest in anything worth having anything that resembles combative nature of the adverserial mode anywhere, apart from a few imbeciles that still haunt the watchlist, hohum - methinks insufficient if not lack of shakespearian allusions or dialectical debate status of most inanities here suggests a deadening and lackluster bunch of the cohort are similar in their style to clerks of the end of civilisation as we know it... [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 09:28, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

== Re: Sorry about that ==

No worries, I thought it was a mistake. It wasn't my comment though, but it did address me, which is how I found the removal. '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''[[User talk:Graham87|<span style="color: green;">87</span>]] 07:08, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

== The position ==

I find it hard to believe the assertion that the position was created in 1982, there are signs that there have been positions of the same name in the past - even if Cumpston was the D-G only in his time - and the trove entry at reference 11 is basically incorrect as it refers to the CMO at Australia House in London, I am sure I have seen something somewhere that has CMO position earlier than 1982. Any thoughts ? [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 07:40, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:You could be right [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] - the title of Chief Medical Officer is longstanding, the title having been established in the UK in the 1859s & used by the states prior to federation, replacing the former role of Principal Surgeon from the first fleet (a deliberate decision not to give the position the military name of Surgeon-General). As you have noted there was a Chief Medical Officer in London, established in 1912 - what was at reference 11 was also misleading as the CMO in London continued until at least the 70s [http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article241790476]. There was also a Chief Medical Officer for Papua & later the Northern Territory.
:The Commonwealth Department of Health was established in 1921 & until 1982 the D-G was always a doctor - [[John Cumpston]] (1921–1945) [[Frank McCallum (public servant)|Frank McCallum]] (1945–1946), [[Arthur Metcalfe (public servant)|Arthur Metcalfe]] (1947–1960) [[William Refshauge]] (1960–1973) and [[Gwyn Howells]] (1973–1982). Murphy is the first Dr to be appointed since. The Commonwealth Gazette is on Trove and if a person was appointed to the position it would be in there - I have not found anything to suggest the D–G had a title other than "Director-General of Health and Director of Quarantine". As best I can figure it was a political decision to recycle a prestigious title to avoid any flack for appointing a person with no medical training to run the Health Dept. Happy to be corrected though as the public service can be Byzantine. --[[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 00:05, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
::Thanks for that - wikipedia would be a better place if answers were always as thorough like that - so in a manner the D-G was close enough in role and practice to that of the cmo. As to no easy trace of the cmo name at other times, then I would tend to accept what you say - the complexities that I assume I had found in state records of wa earlier this year, must be with the quarantine and veterinary areas and what has confused me. Thanks. [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 12:43, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
::Byzantine notions calling - there should be an emile in your system somewhere, your opinion as to the issue Byzantine (definitiely not anything to do with 20 metre tall ceilings (sic) [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 05:30, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the trove spelling redirects - appreciated. [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 04:50, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

== Florence Martin ==

Hi. I was curious as to why you removed the URL from the citation of the Australian Dictionary of Biography and instead included the link to the website in the "Authority control" section. Thanks for editing it --[[User:DylPickle666|DylPickle666]] ([[User talk:DylPickle666|talk]]) 00:55, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

:Hi [[User:DylPickle666|DylPickle666]], first of all thanks for creating the article, it is always great to see women turn blue, but especially in physics. Sorry that my edit summary was a bit skimpy - what I did was three things (1) used [[Template:Australian Dictionary of Biography]] in the reference, which ensures consistent formatting & ease of maintenance, especially if they change the url system again. (2) I deleted the Australian Dictionary of Biography as an external link per [[Wikipedia:External links]]: once a site has been used as a reference generally it shouldn't be repeated as an external link. (3) I added [[Template:Authority control]], which is best thought of as an advanced form of disambiguation, using wikidata trying to improve verifiability by linking to international library catalogues, to help editors and readers to locate library resources that are by or about that specific person. While Florence Martin currently only links to the Australian Dictionary of Biography and Trove, her father also links to WorldCat Identities, Virtual International Authority File & others. If further connections for Florence are made in wikidata, they will automatically update through the authority control box. --[[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 01:55, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

::Thanks for explaining that stuff to me. It'll be good to know for the future :) -- [[User:DylPickle666|DylPickle666]] ([[User talk:DylPickle666|talk]]) 16:26, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

== DLP ==

Hey, so annoyingly the DLP spelled their name without the "u" in Labour until 2013. We did have this all nice and simple for a while with "Democratic Labor" for the modern pre-2013 version, "Democratic Labour" for the current version and "DLP" for the old one in the templates, but then someone came along and messed it all up and refused to fix it, and so now it's all a bit of a mess. Something to keep in mind though. [[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]] ([[User talk:Frickeg|talk]]) 13:01, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
:Oh hi, I just arrived to say the same thing, but Frickeg has covered it already. I found the DLP = historical / Democratic Labor/Labour = modern distinction a good way to handle it and that would be my preference – I'd rather not force all pre-2013 pages to refer to the then-incorrect name (Labour). --[[User:Canley|Canley]] ([[User talk:Canley|talk]]) 13:08, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
::Fair enough {{ping|Frickeg}} & {{ping|Canley}} I have corrected the other changes I have made as well. The problem I was trying to fix is that the templates {{tl|Australian politics/name}} and {{tl|Australian politics/party colours}} link "Democratic Labor" to the historical party, so while the spelling is currently correct for the [[:2008 Lyne by-election]] for example, the colour & link are wrong. I'm happy with the distinction with DLP for the historical, but how to fix the mess?
::What occurs to me is to changing the name template to link "Democratic Labor" to the current page & then change any pre 1978 usage to DLP. I will also add a note to the template document. Any comments or suggestions? --[[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 19:46, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
:::Yes, this is pretty much what needs to be done. It was basically a case where the user who caused this mess wouldn't fix it up and no one else has got around to it yet, because there's a fair bit to do - given we're using the different colours, every page that uses the colour template will need to be fixed as well, and then there's all the old electoral result pages too. If you have the time and inclination that would be incredible. [[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]] ([[User talk:Frickeg|talk]]) 23:05, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
::::Thanks [[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]], it turned out to be reasonably easy through AWB. Think I have changed almost all of the pre 78 to DLP and post 1990 to Democratic Labor / Labour, although there might be a few I've missed. --[[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 11:14, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

== Brandy Hill Quarry ==

... or should I say ''quarries''.

I was searching for the [[Brandy Hill Quarry|Brandy Hill Quarry]] referred to [https://theconversation.com/environment-minister-sussan-ley-faces-a-critical-test-will-she-let-a-mine-destroy-koala-breeding-grounds-145839 here] and what I found was [[Seaham Quarry|Seaham Quarry]].

They seem to be different things, am I wrong?

Can you help sort it out, or suggest someone else who can? TIA [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 07:37, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|Andrewa}} I am a little curious as to why people think I will know something obscure. In this case you are right - I grew up about 60km from Seaham. There are actually three different quarries near [[Seaham, New South Wales|Seaham]] - what you linked to is the small historic shale quarry on Torrens St in the middle of town - visible in [https://www.google.com/maps/@-32.6628761,151.726905,3a,75y,179.3h,78.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skOjoVJCI3dgP0du9VMuLTw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 google street view]. The Brandy Hill quarry, run by [[Hanson Australia|Hanson]] to extract hard rock aggregate - used in concrete, road base etc. It's at the northern end of Brandy Hill Drive, to the west of Seaham - visible in [https://www.google.com/maps/@-32.6618137,151.6885392,1787m/data=!3m1!1e3 google satellite] & a similar quarry run by Boral which is off Italia Rd to the east of Seaham [https://www.google.com/maps/@-32.6774223,151.78706,1787m/data=!3m1!1e3 google satellite]. Does that help? --[[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 11:19, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

::Thank you! In response to your curiousity, it was inspired and successful guesswork based on your previous edit to an obscure article, and a certain amount of desperation.
::As with many articles on which I work, I was looking for information as a reader, and Wikipedia didn't have it. So I'm now trying to fix that. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 16:18, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

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Hi Find bruce. You probably don't want to be drawn into this one, but you were earlier involved in a talk page relating to this user's changes, so I just wanted to alert you to [[Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board#New user changing place names|the discussion at the noticeboard]]. I'm sure that you could make a useful contribution. [[User:Laterthanyouthink|Laterthanyouthink]] ([[User talk:Laterthanyouthink|talk]]) 00:36, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
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== Electoral results for the district of Bingara - duplicate references ==

Just wanted to apologise for my incorrect [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1916_Bingara_state_by-election&type=revision&diff=1024629791&oldid=1015184977 adjustment] of [[1916 Bingara state by-election]]. Do you have any alternative suggestions as to how to resolve the duplicate references on [[Electoral results for the district of Bingara]]? [[Special:Contributions/49.177.30.125|49.177.30.125]] ([[User talk:49.177.30.125|talk]]) 10:03, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Also, when I looked at my edit version of the page, I couldn't find any duplicates as suggested by your edit summary: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1916_Bingara_state_by-election&type=revision&diff=1024630279&oldid=1024629791 "Creates duplicate references"]. Am I looking at the right thing? [[Special:Contributions/49.177.30.125|49.177.30.125]] ([[User talk:49.177.30.125|talk]]) 10:43, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
:Thank you Find Bruce. I can see now that the duplicate reference is fixed, and I appreciate your understanding response very much. [[Special:Contributions/49.177.30.125|49.177.30.125]] ([[User talk:49.177.30.125|talk]]) 12:03, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

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Hi again. I have stumbled into what appears to have been quite a significant case in the Indigenous intellectual property arena, and (not unusually for me) have ended up spending way more time on it than intended after finding lots of citations, and all of the associated wanderings into related articles, fixing things, etc. I've been putting it together under "Notable cases" in Copyright law of Australia, the "carpets case". It's still a WIP, but I would appreciate any comments re style, terminology, etc. Do you think it deserves an article of its own, and if so, under what title? If you have any time and inclination to get involved, even better! (Please respond when you have time on the article talk page, my talk page, or wherever you prefer.) [[User:Laterthanyouthink|Laterthanyouthink]] ([[User talk:Laterthanyouthink|talk]]) 01:56, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

==Flowers==

I took a look at the Fred Flowers article after noticing the rename, and noticed that he left the Labor Party in 1916 - which makes the President of the Legislative Council article very wrong about his party affiliation. I don't have the table code knowledge to fix it, any chance you could have a go? [[User:The Drover&#39;s Wife|The Drover&#39;s Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover&#39;s Wife|talk]]) 02:52, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks {{ping|The Drover&#39;s Wife}} I've become reasonably adept with tables so happy to sort it out. His [https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/flowers-fred-6198 ADB bio] says {{tq|Because of his membership of the Upper House he was not directly involved in the Labor Party spasms over conscription. But he separated from the party, although he did not join Holman's National Party. He co-operated with the Storey-Dooley Labor governments in 1920-22.}} {{ping|Frickeg}} has done a fair bit of work on the Labor splits so maybe he knows more. For now I've put him in as independent labor with a date of November 1916 but am happy if people have other views. --[[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 04:09, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
::Thanks for that. I think that appears to be the best way of describing him, after doing a bit of research. It seems to be an extremely unusual case where he's not referred to as having been the Labor Party after 1916, is kinda hated for a few years, then much-liked again, but I can find nothing about him ever having formal involvement in the party again. I'm not sure I've ever seen a case where someone's ratted and has come back into favour without being readmitted, but he seems to have been an unusual guy. [[User:The Drover&#39;s Wife|The Drover&#39;s Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover&#39;s Wife|talk]]) 07:51, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

This is a really interesting question and I ran into it a few days ago when I rewrote the article on Connington. Connington was a Hughes ally in the union movement who quit his secretary role when the union came out against Hughes (which I'm sure why he was appointed), but he didn't take a stance on conscription beyond that and I can find no evidence that he ever left or was expelled from the party. During the battle over abolition of the Council he voted for it despite personally opposing it, which seems a strange thing to do if he wasn't a bound member of the party, and his death was reported as a major hit to Labor's support in the Council.

I suspect, looking at that article, that party membership may have been more fluid in the life appointment era and that may have found a group of unpledged Labor members who nonetheless remained close to the Labor Party. (If I'm correct in this, I have no idea how we'd label them, so perhaps best to go with the parliamentary website in the absence of anything clearer.) I'll put Travers and Wilson next on my list for a rewrite because both their articles are terribly brief, but it might take me a day or two because they're going to be tricky due to their common names/lack of middle names. [[User:The Drover&#39;s Wife|The Drover&#39;s Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover&#39;s Wife|talk]]) 01:25, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

:A second thought: some of this may relate to these members (apart from Flowers) just not really showing up much. Connington was known to not attend terribly often because of the demands of his industrial practice and doing some preliminary research on Wilson he seems to have not attended much later in his career because his health was ailing. [[User:The Drover&#39;s Wife|The Drover&#39;s Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover&#39;s Wife|talk]]) 02:18, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

I had a breakthrough with Travers, following up on your leads - [http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article245851969 he had explicitly left the Labor Party by 1926] (and apparently had done so some time before, from the tone of his comments), which is why he wasn't in the 6 expelled. I was able to find a source for him still being a pledged Labor member [http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article80069769 in 1913] but have been unable to find anything that sheds light between 1913 and 1926. We can at least clarify his status in the lists post-1926, though his comments in 1926 were so pointed I wouldn't be entirely sure if "Independent Labor" still applied as opposed to just "Independent". I have some things to do this afternoon, but will have a more thorough search later, even if I have to search through every bloke called Wilson or Travers who ever said something about conscription. [[User:The Drover&#39;s Wife|The Drover&#39;s Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover&#39;s Wife|talk]]) 03:45, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

:The figures for pledged Labor members seem to vary hugely over time. [http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article145785068 Nine in 1915] (including Wilson but not Travers), [http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article145771607 two in March 1921] (unnamed), [http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article145770854 four in October 1921], and [http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article145958788 45 in 1925].

:I did a really thorough search for Wilson and can't find anything about him ever resigning or being expelled from the Labor Party. He was a huge character who was so outspokenly anti-Labor in the early 1910s that I'm amazed he ''wasn't'' expelled, but doesn't appear to have ever left, and in the late 1910s and early 1920s seemed to quite the other way and be a fairly outspoken Labor supporter. I'm baffled as to why he was listed as pledged in 1915 and not in 1921 when he was vastly more pro-Labor leadership in 1921. He seems to disappear entirely from the Worker after about 1915 - he's just never mentioned again in any context?

:I thought I might have found something in the "unpledged supporters" figure in the 1925 article, but matching numbers against our lists and biographes it seems like those four were probably people we already have listed as independent.

:I found sources that more clearly establish that we seem to be on the right track with Flowers: Labor MLCs were very hostile to his presidency in the early '20s (so he was clearly not a party member), but he seems to have been close enough to the Labor movement over the years that "Independent Labor" seems the most sensible label. I think the 1915 list seems to significantly narrow down the period for Travers - he seems to have gone somewhere between 1913 and 1915.

:I feel like at least Flowers and Travers seem settled, but I continue to be very confused about Connington and Wilson. [[User:The Drover&#39;s Wife|The Drover&#39;s Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover&#39;s Wife|talk]]) 08:16, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Re your latest edits on Travers: it is not clear to me that that is the meaning of that statement by Travers in 1926. The significance of the 1911 pledge is that was a pledge ''for the abolition of the Legislative Council'' (see, for example, [http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article249382692 here]. It is not clear to me whether he was previously a pledged Labor member prior to that. I've also been unable to find much about that 1911 pledge at all, apart from [https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/130880742 this] confusing tidbit that states neither Travers or Flowers had signed the pledge in December 1911. (Note that Flowers was in the ministry at this time, which would make it challenging for him to be outside the party!) [[User:The Drover&#39;s Wife|The Drover&#39;s Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover&#39;s Wife|talk]]) 23:53, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

==Western Champion==

No bother, just didn't realise there was a rationale for the status quo! [[User:The Drover&#39;s Wife|The Drover&#39;s Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover&#39;s Wife|talk]]) 10:12, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks for doing the Murphy article.

Found that we are missing the article for the Victorian politician https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/about/people-in-parliament/re-member/details/24/505 and thought that I would flag it in case it was also of interest. I tripped over its absence as I continue to fix up [[s:The Dictionary of Australasian Biography]] wikilinks to articles. I am still digging out works for [[s:Portal:Michael O'Malley]] who is another who will need a WP article. Again thanks. I much prefer the research than the article writing. :-) — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:smaller">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 03:29, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

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Re [[Special:Diff/prev/1064620010]], I removed that {{tl|ns}} because it wasn’t particularly aligned on my device so I couldn’t see that was what you were going for. It would be more effective to make both charts part of the same table so the columns are made to be the same width without that padding, as that padding is dependant on the font. Or I could add a width parameter to that column on {{tl|bar box}}. [[User:GKFX]]<sup>[[User talk:GKFX|talk]]</sup> 09:48, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

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Hey Bruce - if you are willing and able, would you please have a look at [[Talk:Citipointe Christian College#Legal analysis|this note I put on a talk page]] after giving the article a quick once-over on the latest additions? [[User:Laterthanyouthink|Laterthanyouthink]] ([[User talk:Laterthanyouthink|talk]]) 09:36, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

== Member tables ==

Hi! Wondering what the logic is behind your recent changes to member tables (e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Electoral_results_for_the_district_of_Wyong&curid=33251941&diff=1074229996&oldid=1000442100]). I have to say I prefer the old versions ... [[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]] ([[User talk:Frickeg|talk]]) 07:32, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

:Or not so recent {{ping|Frickeg}} - I have been working through the electoral results pages for at least 18 months. It took ages to work through the former districts as many of them had no article. From memory I started on the current districts towards the end of last year. I believe that Wyong was the last to be done. The only comment I can recall concerned an additional column I added for the size of the electorate. IIRC you didn't think that column added anything & so I didn't add it. The logic is simple - these are pages showing the detail of election results, however neither the table of contents nor the table were good at giving an overview of the elections nor in navigating to a specific election, hence the first column. It's different from the district page because the purpose of the article is different. I have found them particularly good when working through the "Seats changing hands" table for each election and making sure that it is consistent with the infobox and results table. Similarly it highlights when a member has kept their seat but changed party & ensuring that the results page reflects that. The other change is that they are now a single table, with a blank row for breaks, so that column widths are the same rather than higgledy-piggledy as previously. --[[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 04:22, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

::Good logic! Thanks for responding, and thanks for all the work you do with OzPol articles. (I completely missed the way that the new tables work as a kind of second table of contents. Nifty!) [[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]] ([[User talk:Frickeg|talk]]) 06:26, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

== Cyril Ernest Corlette, Sir William manning's Grandson ==

Dear Find bruce

I'm hoping you might be able to help me. I'm looking for someone to write a Wikipedia entry for my great grandfather, Dr Cyril Corlette, who was Sir William Manning's grandson.

Are you able to help me with this please, or if not, perhaps point me in the right direction?

With thanks and kind regards

Edwina Corlette
edwina@edwinacorlette.com
Brisbane, Australia

--[[Special:Contributions/118.208.211.148|118.208.211.148]] ([[User talk:118.208.211.148|talk]]) 01:31, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

:There are 2 issues (1) sorry but medical practitioners are not a subject that I am familiar with nor contribute to. (2) it is not apparent to me how your great grandfather meets wikipedia's [[WP:Notability (people)|notability requirements]], although his published material may be sufficient to meet the [[Wikipedia:Notability (academics)|criteria for academics]]. {{Find sources|Cyril Corlette}}. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce#top|talk]]) 22:27, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

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A Trove search proves that he was seldom referred to as Josiah Bagster, rather by his full name, initials, or Josiah H. Bagster, no doubt due to his father Josiah Shirley Bagster being a prominent citizen in SA. I have clarified this in the lede, but leave to you reversion of your edit should you so choose. I did change one redirect (J. H. Bagster) which should then be reverted. Cheers, Doug [[User:Doug butler|Doug butler]] ([[User talk:Doug butler|talk]]) 11:48, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
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== Sfn and Austlii templates ==

Hi - I've noticed you've done quite a bit of work around citation templates and Ausrtalian case law. I'm reviewing the GA nomination of [[Talk:Dietrich_v_The_Queen/GA1|Dietrich v The Queen]] and part of the review process involves a cleanup of the referencing system. I'm just wondering if you could point me to any articles which successfully integrate the {{tlx|sfn}} and {{tlx|cite AustLII}} templates? I've made an attempt at [[Dietrich v The Queen]] (see the reference covering ''Nguyen v The Queen''), using{{tlx|sfnp}} but obviously that doesn't generate the necessary square brackets. Any pointers much appreciated (or alternatives). Pinging the nominee for info {{yo|MaxnaCarta}}. Regards, [[User:Goldsztajn|Goldsztajn]] ([[User talk:Goldsztajn|talk]]) 04:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Goldsztajn|Goldsztajn]] I wouldn’t bother with Austlii. The correct referencing style is the Australian Guide to Legal Citation. I try where possible to use this but it doesn’t always work on Wikipedia. The important thing is that one style of footnote is used. Before I cleaned the article it up, it was using inline citation, bracket citation, and footnotes. Was a total mess. [[User:MaxnaCarta|MaxnaCarta]] ([[User talk:MaxnaCarta|talk]]) 11:58, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:Goldsztajn|Goldsztajn]] btw sorry I haven’t been active this weekend. I’ll be available during the week to get the review done. I’m in Australia, if you want to schedule in some time to discuss we could live message on the discord. [[User:MaxnaCarta|MaxnaCarta]] ([[User talk:MaxnaCarta|talk]]) 11:59, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
:::Hi @[[User:MaxnaCarta|MaxnaCarta]] I'd like to see if {{noping|Find bruce}} has any suggestions. Happy to communicate via the review page (or my talk page). I'm a little busy in the non-virtual world this week, but will be adding more to the review. Regards, [[User:Goldsztajn|Goldsztajn]] ([[User talk:Goldsztajn|talk]]) 12:12, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

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== Edit summary ==

Hi Find Bruce, just a quick note to mention your revert with an edit summary which read "''Not constructive".'' While you might reasonably disagree with adding the content, and I have no objection to you removing it, your edit summary is not an accurate description of the edit. Better to [[Wikipedia:Be civil]], [[Wikipedia:Assume good faith]], use a constructive [[Help:Edit summary]]. Have a good day. [[User:Whizz40|Whizz40]] ([[User talk:Whizz40|talk]]) 08:15, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

== FAC nomination ==

Hi Bruce!

I have nominated ''Dietrich v The Queen'' at FAC. It was the first article I ever started working on following its delisting as an FA shortly after I got into Wikipedia in 2021. You assisted me enormously in getting it up to GA status. Thank you. I would very much be grateful if you'd consider giving it another look and providing any feedback at the FAC listing? Thank you! [[User:MaxnaCarta|MaxnaCarta]] ([[User talk:MaxnaCarta|talk]]) 10:08, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

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