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Notability not demonstrated and never won a medal; seems comparable to a Lugstub. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:29, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Olympics and Cyprus. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:29, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Skynxnex (talk) 19:25, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but move to Spyros Spyrou (runner) Meets WP:NTRACK per “1.” with his 6th place at the Athletics at the 1982 Commonwealth Games – Men's 800 metres and per “2.” Winning multiple gold medals at the Games of the Small States of Europe. He set the national record in 1983; and that is still the Cypriot national record. Because he was internationally active between 1981 and 1989, sources should be searched at off-line and Greek language sources. 109.37.152.36 (talk) 09:45, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clearly notable runner who competed at the top level of the sport internationally for many years and is one of Cyprus's best ever distance runners. Has held the Cypriot national record for decades – a fact still mentioned in Cypriot press to this day. SFB 16:32, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:39, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The sources on the page do not show the subject meets GNG, and no one here has presented any additional citations. SPORTSBASIC requires a SIGCOV IRS source be cited in the article for additional coverage to be presumed, and even that is rebuttable. Meeting NTRACK is irrelevant when SPORTSBASIC is failed.

NTRACK might still be relevant as it states “coverage is likely to exist” of this athlete; and looking at the era of his active years coverage would be in offline Greek sources. As we don’t have access to offline Greek sources the sentence “coverage is likely to exist” cannot be invalidated, and I assume this is one of the reasons why NTRACK exist. 109.37.152.3 (talk) 09:50, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Coverage is likely to exist if they meet SPORTSBASIC. If they don't have a piece of SIGCOV cited then none of the presumptions from NTRACK apply. JoelleJay (talk) 19:05, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Searching his name in Greek in relation to "800" (his national record) seems to bring up a bunch of results, but I don't have the time to go through them all and some aren't translating for me. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:03, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @BeanieFan11: I have gone through some Greek language sources and located multiple interviews with the subject. I've used these to add his coaching achievements – besides being the national record holder, he is Cyprus's foremost athletics coach at national level. SFB 21:39, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  @Sillyfolkboy, I haven't had a chance to look through those interviews, but if they are mostly quotes/repetition of things he's said they would not count towards notability due to failing independence and being primary. JoelleJay (talk) 03:11, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  The subject is not the publisher, hence it is independent. Some of the sources provide retrospective coverage of the athlete's past achievements, which is the definition of a non primary source. Other sources are interviewing the subject on the basis of his achievements in the sport – this is pretty much the common definition of the term, notability. SFB 12:59, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 **{{ping|BeanieFan11}} I have gone through some Greek language sources and located multiple interviews with the subject. I've used these to add his coaching achievements – besides being the national record holder, he is Cyprus's foremost athletics coach at national level. [[User talk:Sillyfolkboy|SFB]] 21:39, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 **:@[[User:Sillyfolkboy|Sillyfolkboy]], I haven't had a chance to look through those interviews, but if they are mostly quotes/repetition of things he's said they would not count towards notability due to failing independence and being primary. [[User:JoelleJay|JoelleJay]] ([[User talk:JoelleJay|talk]]) 03:11, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
+**::The subject is not the publisher, hence it is independent. Some of the sources provide retrospective coverage of the athlete's past achievements, which is the definition of a non primary source. Other sources are interviewing the subject on the basis of his achievements in the sport – this is pretty much the common definition of the term, notability. [[User talk:Sillyfolkboy|SFB]] 12:59, 31 August 2023 (UTC)