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ISBN number

Where is the ISBN number for the movie in the Wikipedia article? Unbelievable. Rtdrury (talk) 18:26, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User:Rtdrury, movies don't have ISBNs, just like the phrase International Standard Book Number implies. Most books do, since 1970. Where did you get the idea a movie should have one? ZarhanFastfire (talk) 04:07, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

International Standard Audiovisual Number (ISAN) is a unique identifier for audiovisual works and related versions, similar to ISBN for books. Maybe he's thinking of that… — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.152.105.179 (talk) 17:03, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Psychological Horror Film? Yes

Calling it a drama is just false. It is dramatic, yes, but not a drama movie. That is just one minor characteristic. If you read Roger Ebert's review here^[1] then you will find that all the descriptions of the movie he writes fall under the psychological horror genre. That is why I think it should be changed. It is scary, it's unsettling, and it's a masterpiece.

I think WP:FANCRUFT. - FlightTime (open channel) 16:48, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Even if we are generous and believe that Ebert is defining the film's genre, this is still a minority viewpoint and does not belong in the lede. Only widely accepted genres belong in the lede, per MOS:FILM. Do not restore this content, as you have no consensus. ---The Old Jacobite_{The '45} 00:47, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/great-movie-pink-floyd-the-wall-1982

"Calling it a drama is just false…" Agreed. However, it's really just an album-length version of what was called a "pop video" at the time the film was made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.152.105.179 (talk) 17:06, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Falklands War?

The article includes the following sentence:

"Romero and Cabo place the Nazism and imperialism related symbols in the context of Margaret Thatcher's government and British foreign policy especially concerning the Falklands issue."

The British campaign to retake the Falklands commenced with Operation Black Buck on 1 May 1982 and the war ended on 14 June 1982. The first public screening of the movie was on 23 May 1982 at Cannes. Roger Waters initially conceived the concept of The Wall in 1977 and The Wall album was written and recorded 1978-79. So the Falklands War is not relevant to the movie - although it did influence Roger Waters' writing of the 1983 Pink Floyd album The Final Cut .

Also, Margaret Thatcher became Prime Minister of the UK in May 1979 - too late to have influenced the writing of the album. I realise the sentence is sourced but this does not make it true. I suggest this sentence be removed from the article.

FWIW, I believe I know the origins of the neo-Nazi elements of the movie but I cannot cite a source - so adding this to the article would fail WP:OR. Stanley Oliver (talk) 23:00, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Granted I'm replying over two years later, but the article still contains that exact sentence referencing "the Falklands Issue." It's important to understand that a) the Falklands War was the end result of provocations and escalations (aka "the Falklands Issue") over several years, and b) the sentence is describing how symbols were contextualized in the film rather than describing their initial use in the preceding album. 2601:602:8800:7DF0:817:DD17:3652:878F (talk) 2601:602:8800:7DF0:817:DD17:3652:878F (talk) 17:06, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For the record

This is an open proxy used by WP:LTA/NATE. Similar edits are not credible and the proxy should be reported to AIV. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 18:45, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Currently? When?

Please note WP:RELTIME. Vague time words such as "currently" are better avoided, especially when writing for an encyclopedia. Be specific and say {{as of}} when or leave it out entirely.

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Specifically replace X "The film received generally positive reviews. Review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes currently gives"
with Y "The film received generally positive reviews. Review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes gives"
and replace X2 "On Metacritic, the film currently holds"
with Y2 "On Metacritic, the film holds"

So to reiterate that is 2 requests to delete the word "currently" in both cases (but provided in the strict format requested by the template to avoid ambiguity). I'd also put both aggregators in a single paragraph but I leave that at the discretion of the editor. -- 109.79.80.137 (talk) 01:46, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done Helen(💬📖) 19:05, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Soundtrack release

The article currently states "A soundtrack album from Columbia Records was listed in the film's end credits, but only a single containing "When the Tigers Broke Free" and the rerecorded "Bring the Boys Back Home" were released."

I formerly owned a copy of the soundtrack album, which I bought used in perhaps 1983 or so. I sold it a few years ago so I can't examine it for any publishing information. Unlike the album cover depicted on Genius.com it was basically the same cover as the original album. But it definitely included "When the Tigers Broke Free" although I can't remember the placement in the track listing.

It would be very disappointing to find out that this actually was some rare unreleased pressing that I sold for the price it would get if it was a common album. I'm not sure how to go about researching it though. 2601:602:8800:7DF0:817:DD17:3652:878F (talk) 2601:602:8800:7DF0:817:DD17:3652:878F (talk) 16:48, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/great-movie-pink-floyd-the-wall-1982

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 FWIW, I believe I know the origins of the neo-Nazi elements of the movie but I cannot cite a source - so adding this to the article would fail [[WP:OR]]. [[User:Stanley Oliver|Stanley Oliver]] ([[User talk:Stanley Oliver|talk]]) 23:00, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
+:Granted I'm replying over two years later, but the article still contains that exact sentence referencing "the Falklands Issue." It's important to understand that a) the Falklands War was the end result of provocations and escalations (aka "the Falklands Issue") over several years, and b) the sentence is describing how symbols were contextualized in the film rather than describing their initial use in the preceding album. [[Special:Contributions/2601:602:8800:7DF0:817:DD17:3652:878F|2601:602:8800:7DF0:817:DD17:3652:878F]] ([[User talk:2601:602:8800:7DF0:817:DD17:3652:878F|talk]]) [[Special:Contributions/2601:602:8800:7DF0:817:DD17:3652:878F|2601:602:8800:7DF0:817:DD17:3652:878F]] ([[User talk:2601:602:8800:7DF0:817:DD17:3652:878F|talk]]) 17:06, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 == For the record ==