Talk:School uniform

Have you ever noticed it is always people who have left school, who have the strongest opinion on this topic?No I have not have u

What if you when right to the heart of the situation, and asked pupils themselves? 6th Jerky 2006-2007

Can't say I've noticed that - the pupils certainly have strong opinions. Divided opinions too. violet/riga (t) 15:14, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I work for a transportation company that services many schools; both public and private. Their is a definite difference in their apppearances and behaviours. When I asked those who wore uniforms, the majority had no opinion. When I asked the public school kids, only the goth kids and the grungers had a negative opinion. So I wonder who really says what.--68.81.205.212 28 June 2005 17:08 (UTC)

Don't you think that while still in school they are too scared to answer with their real thoughts? I was.Tern

I think that level of dislike of uniforms depends on what else someone's been exposed to. When my family moved to Australia, my older sisters, having spent a while in America, disliked the teacher's seemingly reasonless punishment. I didn't remember the school I went to in America, but I was still annoyed with the uniforms more than most of the other people, who seemed to have never questioned it.

Thank goodness I had a school uniform in my teens to take away the decision of how to dress everyday. We had jerseys rather than blazers and as long as they were plain navy or black we could adapt to the changing fashion along with the way we wore our tie (and being the eighties it meeant wearing the thin end outermost with the wide end tucked in behind our shirts). Dainamo 11:25, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Had a go at tidying up the NZ section. Any other suggestions/alterations welcome. --noizyboy 23:19, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

In the section, common arguements against school uniforms, the points have been divided into "Violation of rights" and "Effectiveness", I think two of the points under effectiveness ("# Many uniforms are not gender-neutral, which may lead to exploitation or discrimination

1. "One-size-fits-all" style does not suit all students' body shapes") more properly belong in Violation of rights. Ie the percieved right for all students to have clothes that fit comfortably are somewhat flattering, and the percieved right for sexes not to be forced into gender stereotypes and to have different rules apply to them etc.

But this is a matter of opinion, so feel free to discuss this with me if you disagree about what section these arguements belong in.

The other thing that I would like to see is some external links to Non-US sources, I'm from Australia which has school uniforms in government schools, I know of one site which has arguements against school uniforms stemming from Queensland schools being involved in a legal debate about whether they could enforce uniforms. -- rom

Compulsory?

I read somewhere that a school cannot remove you from class for not wearing the school uniform, apparently its against your rights. I was wondering, is this true? If someone could confirm this for me, or find me some sort of legal document that states it, I'd be grateful --JJMan 12:21, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Arguments for and against

The arguments for and against are POV, speculation and unreferenced. While some points on both sides are correct, there are many that are down to personal opinion. I would like to see this turned into a discussion rather than bullet-points for and against that contradict each other. violet/riga (t) 11:26, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

When both POVs are given equal treatment, and additions allowed to be made, doesn't the POV become neautral in a for or against arguement? I don't think that a POV should be referenced in this circumstance.

But maybe a discussion would be better, but even in that your going to get conflicting opinions (they look good, they look bad) etc. -- rom

That section right now isn't "For" and "Against", it's "Argument" and "Refutation of argument". I'm going to be bold and remove it now, considering there's a (slightly) more NPOV section right below it. --Szabo 23:43, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

There's very little difference between "For" and "Against", and "Arguement" and "refutation" of arguement. There were arguements for and against, and then refutations of these arguements. The problem is that now there is no discussion at all as to the merits or otherwise of school uniforms, and the validity or otherwise of claims made about school uniforms. -- rom

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sdsfg== Norway ==

hello.. It most be great to were uniforms at school.. I live in Norway and i never wear a uniform at school. I used my own clothes.. but but.. byebye kiss from cathrine

Im from Norway too! When i wach home and away(an australian tv-show) i always get so yelous at those school uniforms. School uniforms are so cool!dfsgsdfgsdsdfsdgfsdfgsdfdfgfsdgsdfgsdgsdfsdfgsdfg

Grammar.

"School uniform are common..."

"No way!" Seriously. Capitan Obvio 00:31, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Epistemology of the Classroom

The act of *being taught* in class, in a aclassroom, by a teacher, is a very specific learning experience which is entirely seperate from the content of the class being taught by the teacher.

In a nutshell, there is a teacher, who knows all the answers, a group of fellow pupils or students who don't know any of the answers, and each individual pupil is silent while the teacher explains a subject. This process continues for say an hour, and then the pupil leaves the class for another identical class teaching a different subject.

The pupil is taught that someone else knows the answers, that all his fellow pupils know nothing (which is to say, reinforcing the lesson that he himself knows nothing, since all his peers, who are alike to him, also know nothing) and that his role is to sit and be told what matters.

The pupil has no choice over what is taught, no option to follow down paths interesting to him.

School uniforms fit well into what is being taught by the experience of classroom based teaching.

Toby Douglass 10:53, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

School Uniforms Shouldn't be in Schools

School uniforms shouldn't be in schools because it doesn't give boys and girls the chance to express themselves. Sure, the popular kids won't make fun of the nerds, but kids want to wear something different everyday, not the same thing day after day. Think of the money their parents can save when NOT trying to clean the same thing everyday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.138.59.2 (talk • contribs)

Do you only have one set of uniform? Does your mom/dad wash the lot every single day when you come home, ready for you to wear again the next day? Strikes me as unusual.... -- Smjg 11:37, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, I reckon they should be in schools - they help to protect the students in a way - they are easily identifiable in a crowd if on trips or something of a similiar nature. People complian, but you do avoid a lot of segregation due to style when you have a set uniform. Plus it looks smarter, and therefore helps the school seem so.

I really think that saying school uniforms protect students by making them easily identifiable is a very weak arguement. I can't think of many situations where a childs life would be saved by a school uniform, Levi jeans saved a man's life once according to legend. I read of an assault, in a biography, where an older man wore a school uniform in order to infiltrate a high school and assault a boy. I think school uniforms would actually make such acts easier, because people can blend in so well. But a uniforms' effect on safety, unless it has reflective stripes to make a student visible to motorist when walking at night in the dark ... is completely a non-issue ;-) -- rom

Pros and Cons on school uniforms

School uniforms shouldn't be in schools not because it doesn't give kids the chance to express themselves but becauase it is better to be juged by what your clothes look like than to be judged by your physical features like at a private school a kid may wear a uniform and may be bullied because other students think that said kid is "fat" and I don't like that! That is discrimination! SCHOOL UNIFORMS SUCK!!!.--165.138.59.2 16:05, 17 March 2006 (UTC)Emily Davis

Pros and Cons on school uniforms

Have you ever noticed that the kids that have dropped out of school, they are the ones who have the strongest opinion on school uniforms.--165.138.59.2 17:29, 21 March 2006 (UTC)Rachel Smith

Have you ever noticed that attacking the arguer and not the arguement isn't the way to go about proving your point? What I have noticed is that most arguements for school uniforms fall into catergories of logical fallacies? You just used ad hommenim, uniforms are mostly supported by appeal to authority (the principal thinks it's a good idea etc), another logical fallacy used is correlation implying causation (expensive schools have strict uniforms, expensive schools do better academically, therefore strict uniforms create better academic results) etc --r0m

This has a POV!!!!

This article needs more on the cons of school uniforms.

We are Uniform of Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.--Planetary 03:23, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Uniforms in other countries?

Australia also has school uniforms, as do a number of other countries - should they also be mentioned under a subheading of their own?

Germany / History

The article claims that school uniforms were "quite common" before the Second World War and fell out of use afterwards. To my knowledge there never was a significant presence of scool uniforms in Germany in the 20th century, and I guess not in earlier times either. Trying to verify that, I image-googled for strings like schulklasse 1920 etc., and could only find very scant evidence of school uniforms (this page has some examples, this image is more typical of the pictures you find). I think that school uniforms were an exception. --SKopp 23:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

SCHOOL UNIFORMS

AGREEMENT

I think that school uniforms are important because there would be no discriminaton against the students and it woulld decrease the fights and increse the grades and students ability to be in school.

DISAGREEMENT

well it would make people uncomftarable then less school.umm student will look the sane and when it's time to get in trouble at school then you can't tell any body apart.

--169.157.44.179 14:49, 2 November 2006 (UTC)--169.157.44.179 14:49, 2 November 2006 (UTC)--169.157.44.179 14:49, 2 November 2006 (UTC)THE h3lp full on3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

USA - Incomplete Sentence

Although many private school uniforms are similar to the ones described below for public schools, a few still require more formal British-style school uniforms

(See words in Bold)

There appears to have been some deleting/moving done at some point which led to there being no description of public school uniforms "below" the quoted sentence. Mip | Talk 15:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Me Me Me Me

It says Malta requires kids to bring pets to school or they face the death penalty. This is ridiculous. It looks like blatant vandalism.--theRealdeal

There was some vandalism that wasn't completely reverted. That's now been fixed. Thank you for pointing out the problem. ^BlankVerse 13:24, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I am anti school uniform

Its a kids right to choose what they wear.

relevence of your oppinion

i dont see how whether you like/support school uniforms or not is relevent to an encylopedia article. as far as i can tell there is no raging controversy or public debate about the use of school uniforms in the countries in which they exist. there certainly isnt in australia. maybe some petulent schoolkids dont like them but really, who cares? it really isnt worth noting. i dont like the dentist. i dont expect ppl's oppinion of the dentist to be in the [dentist] article. i want to know the 'facts'. apparently everything on wikipedia is a topic of hot controversy. aussietiger 12:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)