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== Use of quotations in [[List of Cthulhu Mythos books]] ==

I've been working on style edits in [[List of Cthulhu Mythos books]] As a reader unfamiliar with Cthulhu Mythos, the long quote at the beginning of Testaments of Carnamagos section https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Cthulhu_Mythos_books&action=edit&section=36 is much clearer than a lot of the other sections written from in-narrative perspective. Would this format be worthwhile to standardize across the article? Or maybe including a quote in each section would be too long in an already lengthy article? [[User:Agnieszka653|Agnieszka653]] ([[User talk:Agnieszka653|talk]]) 19:50, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Agnieszka653|Agnieszka653]] I'm afraid that Teahouse hosts tend to be generalists who provide advice about editing, and are not specialists in arcane literature. On the other hand, that list has 85 page watchers, who ''are'', presumably, interested in it. You should use the Talk Page to ask your question and perhaps mention you have started a discussion on the Talk Page of the Horror Project which relates to it. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 20:16, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for the advice @[[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Michael D. Turnbull]]
::<nowiki>I thought I saw something in the style guide about not overusing quotes so that's why I tried here first ~~~</nowiki> [[User:Agnieszka653|Agnieszka653]] ([[User talk:Agnieszka653|talk]]) 17:39, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:As a fan of the ''Mythos'', I think your 'standardisation' plan for this article is an excellent one, and I don't think overall length is a problem, since the Contents box enables easy navigation. I encourage you to continue. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.2.67.235|94.2.67.235]] ([[User talk:94.2.67.235|talk]]) 11:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

== Approached by a company offering free consultancy for Wikipedia articles ==

Hello all, I recently received an email from a company sharing that they can provide <b>free</b> consultancy services for drafting and editing Wikipedia articles. I also noticed that their company name is listed on this Wikipedia workpage [[Wikipedia:List of paid editing companies|here]] under the "[[Wikipedia:List of paid editing companies|List of paid editing companies]]." I am uncertain if this is an acceptable practice. May I seek some advice? Thank you! [[User:Ccyfferent|Ccyfferent]] ([[User talk:Ccyfferent|talk]]) 03:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
:Hey there @[[User:Ccyfferent|Ccyfferent]]! Usually this is a scam of some sort. If it's okay, can I get the name of the company to see if they are disclosed or not? [[User:MemeGod27|Sir MemeGod ._.]] <small>([[User talk:Sir MemeGod|talk]] - [[Special:Contribs/Sir MemeGod|contribs]] - [[User:Sir MemeGod/Creations|created articles]])</small> 04:02, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
:Ignore them. The best advice you can get for editing is here, and already free. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:06, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
::Actually, ignore my above statement, CMD's advice is probably better for you. [[User:MemeGod27|Sir MemeGod ._.]] <small>([[User talk:Sir MemeGod|talk]] - [[Special:Contribs/Sir MemeGod|contribs]] - [[User:Sir MemeGod/Creations|created articles]])</small> 04:08, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Sir MemeGod|Sir MemeGod]] Thank you! I appreciate your quick reply and advice! [[User:Ccyfferent|Ccyfferent]] ([[User talk:Ccyfferent|talk]]) 03:39, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Chipmunkdavis|Chipmunkdavis]] Thank you, and well noted! [[User:Ccyfferent|Ccyfferent]] ([[User talk:Ccyfferent|talk]]) 03:41, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:[[User:Ccyfferent|Ccyfferent]], undisclosed paid editing is prohibited. Disclosed paid editing is allowed, however very few of us actually think it's a good thing, it is mostly just tolerated, begrudgingly. Any paid advocate would still be editing for their client as an individual editor, and would have to abide by all the rules same as everyone else, plus a few more:<ol><li>They need to disclose their client and employer.</li><li>They may only submit drafts and make edit requests on the talk page of articles. Direct editing of articles would be limited to fixing typos and vandalisms.</li><li>Incompetence and time-wasting is tolerated less. They may not, for example, keep rehashing the same issues, keep posting walls of text and demand that volunteers review their proposals on their schedule.</li></ol>If you do hire a paid editor and their conduct is poor, it will forever tarnish the reputation among Wikipedia editors of whichever topic they happen to be working for. If the topic is of wider interest, the misconduct is often even picked up by the media. The subject will invite closer scrutiny in the future. For example, a new article on a borderline notable topic is much more likely to be tolerated or not urgently sought deletion of, if created by an independent volunteer with some track record, than if it has prior history of having been pushed by paid editors or single purpose accounts with apparent conflicts of interest.<br style="margin-bottom:0.5em"/>Generally, I would advise that you refrain from hiring a paid service to write for you unless you are okay with losing your money and getting no results, with some likelihood of it getting back to you and tarnishing your reputation in real life. That is the most common outcome.<br style="margin-bottom:0.5em"/>Regards!<span id="Usedtobecool:1721622868391:WikipediaFTTCLNTeahouse" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;'''[[User:Usedtobecool|Usedtobecool]]'''&nbsp;[[User talk:Usedtobecool|☎️]] 04:34, 22 July 2024 (UTC)</span>
::"Free" can be bait-and-switch, meaning they offer a "free" service, but for a fee can assign you to one of their more experienced editors. And so on, and so on. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 17:02, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I would read "free consultancy" as a sales pitch.<span id="Usedtobecool:1721732330145:WikipediaFTTCLNTeahouse" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;'''[[User:Usedtobecool|Usedtobecool]]'''&nbsp;[[User talk:Usedtobecool|☎️]] 10:58, 23 July 2024 (UTC)</span>
:::Thank you, @[[User:David notMD|David notMD]], for your input! Noted. [[User:Ccyfferent|Ccyfferent]] ([[User talk:Ccyfferent|talk]]) 03:36, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you, @[[User:Usedtobecool|Usedtobecool]]! I appreciate your sharing and advice! [[User:Ccyfferent|Ccyfferent]] ([[User talk:Ccyfferent|talk]]) 03:33, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

== Adding a image for a article ==

I am attempting to create a draft article for "andamiro" (https://www.andamiro.com/global/), as it is a red link on many dance-game related articles.

However, the article seems barren without a proper company logo beside it. I am unsure how to add this, due to the process of actually adding the image talking about sorts of "CCL"'s that i personally have no idea about. [[User:HyperNover|HyperNover]] ([[User talk:HyperNover|talk]]) 23:48, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
:[[File:Andamiro logo.png|thumb|Andamiro logo]]@[[User:HyperNover|HyperNover]]: Welcome to the Teahouse! I've uploaded the logo to [[Wikimedia Commons]], the media repository used by Wikipedia. Since this logo is simple enough, it falls doesn't meet the threshold of originality and is considered to be in the public domain, free to use. It's now located at [[:File:Andamiro logo.png]], so you can add that to your draft article using {{Code|<nowiki>[[File:Andamiro logo.png|thumb|Andamiro logo]]</nowiki>}} to achieve the result shown here. Hope this helps—let me know if you have any further questions! [[User:Bsoyka|<span style="color:#fff;background:#055;padding:.2em">'''Bsoyka'''</span>]] (<i>[[User talk:Bsoyka|t]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Bsoyka|c]] &bull; [[User:Bsoyka/Guestbook|g]]</i>) 00:07, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::Many thanks! Am I allowed to ask for review here? I'm still new to this, but this is my draft. [[Draft:Andamiro (Company)]] [[User:HyperNover|HyperNover]] ([[User talk:HyperNover|talk]]) 00:16, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:HyperNover|HyperNover]]: Sure! The main issue here, from a quick look, is that you haven't added any sources to the article that would establish Andamiro's [[WP:N|notability]]. Per our [[WP:GNG|general notability guideline]], {{Tq|A topic is <em>presumed</em> to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received <em>significant coverage</em> in <em>[[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]]</em> that are <em>[[Wikipedia:Independent sources|independent]] of the subject</em>.|q=y}} Andamiro has to pass this test before an article about it can exist. Out of the four references in your draft so far, two are links to the company's website (not ''independent''), and two are to [[WP:UGC|user-generated content]] (a forum and Wikipedia itself, not ''reliable''). You'll need to do more research to find better sources before your draft will pass a review. [[User:Bsoyka|<span style="color:#fff;background:#055;padding:.2em">'''Bsoyka'''</span>]] (<i>[[User talk:Bsoyka|t]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Bsoyka|c]] &bull; [[User:Bsoyka/Guestbook|g]]</i>) 00:23, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Can you give me some examples of what to look for?
::::Not really sure what independent sources i'm supposed to reference, i thought that meant like personal discussions separated from company
::::i got the alert that i wasn't supposed to reference wikipedia itself.
::::Is this like, news articles?
::::The whole company seems pretty ''notable'' to me, i'm not sure how to prove that either.
::::Besides this, i'm curious as if i wrote this from a preferred perspective. [[User:HyperNover|HyperNover]] ([[User talk:HyperNover|talk]]) 00:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Also, @[[User:Bsoyka|Bsoyka]] (i think im supposed to do this)
:::::Does that mean i have to remove my independant sources? ex: [3], [4] [[User:HyperNover|HyperNover]] ([[User talk:HyperNover|talk]]) 00:33, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::I have since updated the page again, may you please give it another lookover? i gave some more references. @[[User:Bsoyka|Bsoyka]]
::::::Please let me know if you wish to no longer be bothered. [[User:HyperNover|HyperNover]] ([[User talk:HyperNover|talk]]) 01:22, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:HyperNover|HyperNover]]: No worries! I definitely concur with Hoary's suggestions below—take a look at those. [[User:Bsoyka|<span style="color:#fff;background:#055;padding:.2em">'''Bsoyka'''</span>]] (<i>[[User talk:Bsoyka|t]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Bsoyka|c]] &bull; [[User:Bsoyka/Guestbook|g]]</i>) 02:24, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::::[[Draft:Andamiro (Company)]]
::::::::@[[User:Hoary|Hoary]]@[[User:Bsoyka|Bsoyka]] How's this for references? I tried to stick towards articles and news postings, rather than forum pages and alternate miscelanious websites. Other than what i've found, and basic knowledge that would be confusing to challenge, it's been difficult to find other references. [[User:HyperNover|HyperNover]] ([[User talk:HyperNover|talk]]) 02:46, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::My submission was declined for not enough references
::while this is unfortunate, i'm seriously at a lack for finding what i'm actually supposed to add
::the pages regarding referencing and high quality sources are far too advanced for my english skills, and i'm not exactly sure what else i'm supposed to reference [[User:HyperNover|HyperNover]] ([[User talk:HyperNover|talk]]) 06:55, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
:::[[Draft:Andamiro]]
:::Welp, i'm off to bed, pretty proud of myself here.
:::thank you hoary and bsoyka, along with RichSmith, qc, and jeske! [[User:HyperNover|HyperNover]] ([[User talk:HyperNover|talk]]) 09:01, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::::I have '''15 references''' and yet i still dont know why im being denied
::::they all seem like very reliable news releases and book excerpts. [[User:HyperNover|HyperNover]] ([[User talk:HyperNover|talk]]) 03:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:[[User:HyperNover|HyperNover]], remove any reference to Wikipedia. Remove any reference to the company itself for any achievement (such as that the company "was qualified as a military supplied security measurement company"). Remove any remaining reference that isn't [[WP:RS|what en:Wikipedia regards as a reliable source]]. Make sure that all the content does have a reference to [[WP:RS|what en:Wikipedia regards as a reliable source]], and that the draft has references to sources that discuss the company in depth. When you've done that, ''submit'' the draft. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 02:04, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

:I clicked on the reference "[https://www.vendingtimes.com/news/andamiro-ships-new-arcade-games-inspired-by-nickelodeons-paw-patrol-and-spongebob/ Andamiro Ships New Arcade Games Inspired By Nickelodeons Paw Patrol And SpongeBob]". In this web page, vendingtimes.com seems to be doing no more than recycle the company's PR talk. This isn't surprising, as the website is part of "Networld", which "[https://www.vendingtimes.com/editorial-policy/ encourages readers and industry executives to contribute columns, commentaries and blogs]". -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 06:40, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, i was unfortunately unaware of this.
::Thank you for bringing this to my attention, i'll remove the reference immediately. [[User:HyperNover|HyperNover]] ([[User talk:HyperNover|talk]]) 06:41, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
:::That ''was'' the main source i was a bit iffy on anyways, thanks! [[User:HyperNover|HyperNover]] ([[User talk:HyperNover|talk]]) 06:43, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Hello, HyperNover, and welcome to the Teahouse.
::::My (personal) quick guide to successfully creating an article:
::::# Find at least three reliable independent sources with significant coverage of the subject. Critically evaluate each one against all three of the criteria in [[WP:42]].
::::# If you have found at least three (and not otherwise), forget everything that you know about the subject, and write a draft summarising what those sources say ''and nothing else''. There's room for some editorial discretion here as to what is appropriate, but make sure you don't leave out something just because you disagree with it.
::::# Submit your draft for review.
::::[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 09:23, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

== "Suggested Edits" question ==

In regards to the selection of edits, should I try to stick towards topics i know about? or should I just help where I can with as many articles as i can [[User:HyperNover|HyperNover]] ([[User talk:HyperNover|talk]]) 06:49, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
:You can do either, as you prefer. ("Knowing about topics" isn't as helpful as "knowing how to find reliable sources about topics".) [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 10:50, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{U|HyperNover}}, [[Monoid ring]] is an example of an article that's on a topic that I don't understand and that I therefore avoid. In [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ko%C5%9Bciuszko_at_Rac%C5%82awice&oldid=1213609907 the state it was in] when I first encountered it, ''[[Kościuszko at Racławice]]'' was an example of a draft (now article) on a topic of which I have close to zero knowledge but of which I think I have a degree of understanding that can help. {{Noping|Piotrus}} has a far better understanding of it than I do, but I think (and hope) that I too contributed to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ko%C5%9Bciuszko_at_Rac%C5%82awice&diff=1233870287&oldid=1213609907 improving it]. I suggest getting stuck in to one article at a time, each in a topic area that you understand; and always, as {{U|Maproom}} suggests, depending on [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] for any additions. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 22:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

== Articles ==

i really want to write articles in wikipedia.But i dont know what topic is suitable.What should i do?
Thank you. [[User:Junurita|Junurita]] ([[User talk:Junurita|talk]]) 09:52, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Junurita|Junurita]] a suggestion I give to new editors is to start out with simpler tasks, such as the ones listed at [[Wikipedia:Task Center]]. Writing a good quality article is no easy task. If you still want to do it, I would pick a topic in which you are familiar and for which you have access to sources. [[User:Broc|Broc]] ([[User talk:Broc|talk]]) 10:56, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::Carrying on from this, you can find [[WP:WIKIPROJECT|WikiProjects]] in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory|directory]] that may align with your interests, with most of the active ones having a list of [[Wikipedia:Content assessment#Grades|stub and start class]] articles tied to them. This is an easy way to find articles for you to improve within your area of interest. [[User:CommissarDoggo|<b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b>]]''[[User talk:CommissarDoggo|<sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup>]]'' 11:10, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Junurita|Junurita]] I notice from your Userpage that you seem to be interested in chemistry. We have an active group of editors for that topic, which you can join. See [[WP:CHEM]] and its linked pages. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:58, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Junurita|Junurita]] You may find something that interests you at [[WP:Requested articles]]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 16:49, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you very much [[User:Junurita|Junurita]] ([[User talk:Junurita|talk]]) 10:19, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== Additional help with a new wiki entry ==

Hello,

We are creating new wiki entries for several Canadian artist with the aim of bringing visibility and recognition to artists who, for some strange reason, do not have a wiki.

[[Draft:Victor Arroyo]]

it has been stated that this wiki entry needs more reliable secondary sources, and also, that the subject is not meritory enough.

1 - Which sources have been deemed unreliable?

2 - He is one of the most notable video artists today in Canada. Why is he not considered notable?

Any feedback would be very much appreciated. Thank you! [[User:Aguilaosol|Aguilaosol]] ([[User talk:Aguilaosol|talk]]) 14:59, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::[[Draft:Victor Arroyo]] Declined four times so far, all for not adequate references. IMDb is not considered a valid ref. Refs that he has lectured at several institutes of higher learning do not contribute to establishing notability. Also, each Wikipedia account must be for one person only, so no "we" allowed for actual editing. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 15:49, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Thank you very much for the feedback!
:::Arroyo is notorious, as stated in several secondary sources. Being exhibited at the CCA (twice) and other museums, art galleries, and film festivals is not a small feat.
:::- In this particular case (visual artist and filmmaker) IMDB is a necessary source. Would you recommend then, removing altogether IMDB as a source?
:::- Would MUBI be considered a reliable secondary source?
:::<nowiki>https://mubi.com/en/cast/victor-arroyo</nowiki>
:::- To your knowledge, is there a dispute process for declined wiki entries?
:::- Is there a process for requesting a different reviewer, probably, specialized in fine arts?
:::Much appreciated. [[User:Aguilaosol|Aguilaosol]] ([[User talk:Aguilaosol|talk]]) 16:12, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Hi @[[User:Aguilaosol|Aguilaosol]]: your sources are almost entirely primary, and therefore cannot establish notability according to our general notability guideline [[WP:GNG]]. Unless you can find multiple sources which meet that standard, your only other option is to show that this person satisfies our special notability guideline for artists, [[WP:ARTIST]]. In so doing, you must produce evidence that clearly proves they objectively meet at least one of the four criteria in that guideline.
::::And no, there is no process for requesting a different reviewer, as such; in any case, two separate reviewers have already declined this draft for the same reason. Also, a reviewer does not need to be a subject-matter expert in order to assess whether a draft meets our guidelines and policies; as reviewers, we don't judge whether the subject "deserves" to have an article, but whether the draft satisfies our core requirements for publication. HTH, -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 16:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thank you very much for the feedback! I have taken all comments into consideration. [[User:Aguilaosol|Aguilaosol]] ([[User talk:Aguilaosol|talk]]) 22:51, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Aguilaosol|Aguilaosol]], what we're looking for are secondary, ''independent'' sources on the artist or their work. [https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2013/01/10/lartiste-victor-arroyo-relance-le-debat-sur-lechangeur-turcot This] is a good one - you want more like that.
::::When you submit your drafts, make sure to tag them for [[WP:CANADA]] on the talk page. This will increase the likelihood that you get a reviewer who knows what you're talking about, and also will probably increase the likelihood you'll get someone who won't skip the draft because it has French-language sources. (Reviewers can review from the pile in any order, and most tend to stick to areas of interest/competence.) -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 16:59, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thank you very much for the feedback! I have taken all comments into consideration. [[User:Aguilaosol|Aguilaosol]] ([[User talk:Aguilaosol|talk]]) 22:51, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Hello, Aguilaosol . Please note that "with the aim of bringing visibility and recognition to artists" is called [[WP:promotion|promotion]], and is forbidden anywhere on Wikipedia. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 18:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Non-major awards do not contribute to notability. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 18:41, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

== Where do I report vandalism? ==

The Wikipedia article titled "2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel" has a section in it that I believe to be vandalism. It reads:

"This article is about 2023 attacks on Israel from Gaza. '''For American attack on Afghanistan in 2001, see United States invasion of Afghanistan.''' For the war initiated by the attack, see Israel–Hamas war."

The bolded sentence is obviously not something that could be confused with the article's subject. Where can I report this to someone with WP:XC edit permissions? [[User:JohnR1Roberts|JohnR1Roberts]] ([[User talk:JohnR1Roberts|talk]]) 16:19, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:JohnR1Roberts|JohnR1Roberts]] Well, you found one. I'm not sure I'd call it [[WP:VANDALISM]] at this point (vandalism has a specific meaning around here), but it certainly looked odd. I removed it[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2023_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel&diff=1236238669&oldid=1236171482], we'll see what happens. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 16:39, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
:On your general question, vandalism can be reported on [[WP:AIV]], though in your place I would have gone to [[Wikipedia:Requests for page protection/Edit]] in this particular case. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 16:46, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|JohnR1Roberts}} It wasn't vandalism. The article was called "7 October attacks" when it was added. The [[United States invasion of Afghanistan]] started 7 October 2001. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 16:51, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, and [[7 October attacks]] is still a redirect. So maybe that text should stay after all. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 16:55, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Want to make it into a disambiguation page? [[User:DragonflySixtyseven|DS]] ([[User talk:DragonflySixtyseven|talk]]) 21:49, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Are there more than two 7 October attacks? [[WP:ONEOTHER]]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 05:21, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== Sources That Are Not Biased. ==

When I am using sources to cite my claims. What sources I should avoid making it not bias and what sources is okay. 

Example is like I am planning on adding healthcare system on Maxine Waters' article on stating that she supports Medicare for all. 

Any recommendation when sourcing?  [[Special:Contributions/174.135.36.220|174.135.36.220]] ([[User talk:174.135.36.220|talk]]) 17:34, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

:[[WP:BIASED]] sources are allowed, they have to be use with care, e.g. [[WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV]]. [[User:tgeorgescu|tgeorgescu]] ([[User talk:tgeorgescu|talk]]) 17:37, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks!
Is this a good source? (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/14/1688194/-Maxine-Waters-Bobby-Scott-Elijah-Cummings-Barbara-Lee-and-Jim-Clyburn-support-Medicare-for-All)

[[Special:Contributions/174.135.36.220|174.135.36.220]] ([[User talk:174.135.36.220|talk]]) 17:38, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

:No, this [[User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/CiteHighlighter|handy plugin]] states that that's a "Generally unreliable source", which means it's on [[WP:RSP]]. The listing there states {{tq|There is consensus that Daily Kos should generally be avoided as a source, especially for controversial political topics where better sources are available. As an activism blog that publishes user-generated content with a progressive point of view, many editors consider Daily Kos to inappropriately blur news reporting and opinion.}} [[User:CommissarDoggo|<b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b>]]''[[User talk:CommissarDoggo|<sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup>]]'' 17:45, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::Is Vox a good source? 
::I know that I should be reading from this website. [https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ Media Bias/Fact Check - Search and Learn the Bias of News Media (mediabiasfactcheck.com)] I will try to use mostly factual and up rating, and least biased, [[Special:Contributions/174.135.36.220|174.135.36.220]] ([[User talk:174.135.36.220|talk]]) 17:52, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I can't speak for Vox in regards to whether it's good or not because I haven't really been near it, but [[WP:RSPVOX]] exists. [[User:CommissarDoggo|<b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b>]]''[[User talk:CommissarDoggo|<sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup>]]'' 17:59, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::::I read it. it said that:
::::''[[Vox (website)|Vox]]'' (''[[Recode]]'') Generally reliable
::::"''Vox'' is considered generally reliable. Some editors say that ''Vox'' does not always delineate reporting and opinion content or that it is a [[Wikipedia:PARTISAN|partisan source]] in the field of politics. ''See also: [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Polygon|Polygon]], [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#The Verge|The Verge]], [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#New York|New York]]"'' [[Special:Contributions/174.135.36.220|174.135.36.220]] ([[User talk:174.135.36.220|talk]]) 18:21, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Yep. So here is where you have to use your judgement. Other people's judgement may differ from yours, then you can talk about it. However, context matters. What from Vox do you want to use as a cite for what content on WP? [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 18:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::For me. I was planning on adding healthcare system on Maxine Waters' article on stating that she supports Medicare for all. [[Special:Contributions/174.135.36.220|174.135.36.220]] ([[User talk:174.135.36.220|talk]]) 19:21, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::::And where does Vox state that she supports Medicare for all? Fwiw, according to her WP-article, she is a member of the [[Medicare for All Caucus]], which may imply something. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 20:10, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::::That is what I was searching for! I was looking for source that say she support medicare for all beside being caucus member. [[Special:Contributions/174.135.36.220|174.135.36.220]] ([[User talk:174.135.36.220|talk]]) 20:45, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
== Golf Car Beverage Unit ==

Now daily used at golf courses and resorts worldwide, this is the documented history and introduction of the first Golf Car Beverage Unit. [[User:Bobbrewer1000|Bobbrewer1000]] ([[User talk:Bobbrewer1000|talk]]) 17:47, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

:This is [[Wikipedia]], the free encylopedia, did you have a question about editing Wikipedia? -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|t]]'' -- 18:10, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
:If you would like to write about the "Golf Car Beverage Unit", you would benefit from using references other people have wrote to support your writing. [[Wikipedia:Your first article]] is a place to start. Otherwise, your user pages will continue to be deleted. [[User:Reconrabbit|<span style="color:#6BAD2D">Recon</span>]][[User talk:Reconrabbit|<span style="color:#2F3833">rabbit</span>]] 18:25, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::WRONG PLACE. You User page is not the place to create drafts, hewnce Speedy deleted. Per above comment, use [[WP:YFA]] to create a well-referenced draft. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 18:37, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, Bobbrewer1000.
:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 21:24, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::Sounds good... Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/159.48.97.223|159.48.97.223]] ([[User talk:159.48.97.223|talk]]) 11:33, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

== RfA ==

I had earlier asked how to submit an RfA application, but it was never answered properly.

[[User:Frozen902|Frozen902]] ([[User talk:Frozen902|talk]]) 19:47, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{courtesy link|Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1229#Admin}} For what I assume they're mentioning. [[User:CommissarDoggo|<b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b>]]''[[User talk:CommissarDoggo|<sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup>]]'' 19:58, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, an editor there suggested [[WP:RFA]], which links to [[WP:RFA/N]]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 20:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Frozen902|Frozen902]] as fellow editors mentioned in the previous thread, you don't fulfill the minimum requirement for participation in an RfA, which is to have an [[WP:XC|extended confirmed account]], that means 500 edits and 30 days of activity. If you want to be an admin as you state in your profile, I suggest you start working on Wikipedia as an editor, find areas in which you enjoy contributing, and learn the various policies and mechanisms. [[User:Broc|Broc]] ([[User talk:Broc|talk]]) 06:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::Is there something that you want to do, that you're thinking requires admin tools? -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|t]]'' -- 07:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I just would like to know how. I know I can't yet. I just want to know how to do it when I get to 500 edits. [[User:Frozen902|Frozen902]] ([[User talk:Frozen902|talk]]) 19:50, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Whilst the link has already been provided, there are instructions at [[WP:RFA/SELFNOM]]. I'm still curious as to what you want that for. -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|t]]'' -- 19:55, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

== Adding "not to be confused with" ==

[[Henri Mercier]] and [[Edouard Mercier]] are easily confused, because Henri's first name is Edouard; he is known by his middle name, Henri. I could not meet the challenge of inserting "not to be confused with" at the top of each article. Is another editor up to it? Thanks. [[User:Maurice Magnus|Maurice Magnus]] ([[User talk:Maurice Magnus|talk]]) 23:41, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
P.S. Edouard Joseph Mercier has an accent over the "E" in the Wikipedia article, but not in the title of the article. Edouard Henri Mercier does not have an accent over the "E" in his article, and the title of the article does not use "Edouard." I don't know in which cases an accent is appropriate.[[User:Maurice Magnus|Maurice Magnus]] ([[User talk:Maurice Magnus|talk]]) 23:47, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

:Hi, {{ping|Maurice Magnus}}. To add "{{tq|''Not to be confused with''}}," you can use the [[Template:Distinguish|distinguish template]]. For example, you can insert the text <code><nowiki>{{distinguish|Henri Mercier}}</nowiki></code> on Edouard Mercier's Page and insert <code><nowiki>{{distinguish|Edouard Mercier}}</nowiki></code> on Henri Mercier's page. Hope this helps. [[User:Meltdown reverter|<span style="color:red;">'''Meltdown'''</span> <span style="color:orange;">'''reverter'''</span>]] [[User talk:Meltdown reverter|<span style="color:gold;">'''(mail)'''</span>]] 23:57, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
::Well, that was easy. Thank you. [[User:Maurice Magnus|Maurice Magnus]] ([[User talk:Maurice Magnus|talk]]) 00:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
==Question==
I had my first submission declined due to not being supported by reliable sources. See article attached [[Draft:Alina Stanila]] I have edited the article since it's been rejected. I would very much like to get someone to proofread/guide/help with this article. Thank you very much [[User:Artyschool|Artyschool]] ([[User talk:Artyschool|talk]]) 00:32, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Artyschool|Artyschool]], we need at minimum three instances of [[Wikipedia:Sigcov|significant coverage]] in [[wp:rs|reliable sources]] that are [[Wikipedia:Independent sources|independent]] of the article subject. Can you tell us which three (and only three, please) are the ''best sources'' you're providing that fulfill these minimum requirements? [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 01:28, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Valereee|Valereee]] thank you very much for your reply - would you be able to let me know if recognition from MP , newspaper and award certificate are considered as being reliable sources, also in which format should I upload this? should this sources be aded as jpg attach, pdf, or link? Thank you very much for your help. [[User:Artyschool|Artyschool]] ([[User talk:Artyschool|talk]]) 16:47, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Depending on the newspaper and the length of the story, maybe. You can read more about what are and aren't reliable sources at [[WP:RELIABLE]]. Recognition from a member of parliament, generally not. Awards such as an Oscar or a Pulitzer or a Nobel, certainly; if the award doesn't have a Wikipedia article, highly unlikely to help support a claim to notability. Sources should be added as citations, which you can read about at [[WP:CITE]]. [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 18:58, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Hi @[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Valereee Valereee] , again thank you very much for your replay. I had a read through the links shared and looked up the award and the newspaper on Wikipedia and found that both the award, the person who awards the award, the newspaper and the MP who represents the Minister for Culture, Communication and the Creative Industry have Wikipedia pages. See ref. ;
::::World of Wearable Art - [[World of Wearable Art]] - here it is noted that World of Wearable Art is a competition; " The competition features [[wearable art]] entries, which are judged on durability, the safety and comfort of the models, and the impact of the design on the stage". The living person who awards the award too has a Wikipedia Page [[Suzie Moncrieff]] .
::::Oxford Mail - [[Oxford Mail]] - this newspaper was first founded in 1928; the article was featured both digitally and in print on the 6 June 2014. The day on which the article was released coincided with the commemoration of 70 years since the D-Day.
::::Minister for Culture, Communication and the Creative Industry - [[Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Arts and Heritage#:~:text=Ed Vaizey was appointed by,and the Department for Business,]] and [[Ed Vaizey]] ; To literate, the recognition received is from an MP who represents the Minister for Culture, Communication and the Creative Industry.
::::On the advice given by @[[User:David notMD|David notMD]] I have stared the article from scratch. I have cut out any phrases that may sound laudatory or promotional and give a neutral point of view on the article. Would you be able to help with readproof and advice on the notable resources provided?
::::Thank you very much for your help [[User:Artyschool|Artyschool]] ([[User talk:Artyschool|talk]]) 20:55, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:[[User:Artyschool|Artyschool]], the photo of the model staring at the ground also appears [https://www.notjustalabel.com/collection/alina-stanila/time-travel here]. You're quite sure that it was you who took the photo? -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 06:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::The draft was Declined (not Rejected, which is more severe), but subsequently Speedy deleted by an Administrator, so it and its history of edits can no longer be viewed by a non-Admin. You have the option of starting over, but content needs to be neutral point of view facts, not laudatory. And refs need to meet the standards mentionned above. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 10:49, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I do not yet see a new draft. It matters not that the person who awards the reward, the newspaper that announced the award, nor the MP have Wikipedia pages, only the award itself. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 21:33, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Hi @[[User:David notMD|David notMD]] , Thank you very much for your reply. Here is the Draft https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Artyschool/sandbox&action=submit . [[User:Artyschool|Artyschool]] ([[User talk:Artyschool|talk]]) 22:15, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Artyschool|Artyschool]], I'm still not finding your draft. From your previous draft, it looks like she was runner-up for the "first-time entrant" category of this not-very-notable award? It's highly unlikely that would make her notable. What we really need are three instances of [[Significant Coverage|significant coverage]] in [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that are [[Wikipedia:Independent sources|independent]] of the subject. All of those are clickable links. [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 22:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::So, [[User:Artyschool|Artyschool]], is [[:c:File:Alina stanila time travel.png|this photograph]] really your own work? (Did ''you'' take the photograph, whether in 2014 or 2024?) -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 01:59, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Hoary|Hoary]] I am not sure I understand your question? The photograph represents the designers in question work - garment / the photo which you have find on njal represent a garment which was made by the designer , if the photo has been taken either by the person in question or by photographer with agreed w full comerciale reales of the photo back to the designer and or free used for adv. etc. I am not sure what are you trying to dig? I am really sorry but I do find everything on here being passively sceptical about absolutely everything. Rest assured that I am not in the game for fame without work! Hope I have answers your question. Best [[User:Artyschool|Artyschool]] ([[User talk:Artyschool|talk]]) 02:23, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
::::[[User:Artyschool|Artyschool]], the question is very simple: Was it you who took the photograph? (I'm not sure what you mean by "passively sceptical", but yes, I'm sceptical about many matters, and one of them is the copyright status of this photograph.) -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 02:41, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Hoary|Hoary]] copyright status! Is that photo not illustrating the designer garment! Honestly please go ahead and presume whatever. [[User:Artyschool|Artyschool]] ([[User talk:Artyschool|talk]]) 03:04, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::I think there may be some confusion. You have uploaded the image to [[c:|Commons]], which is only allowed if: a) you are its copyright holder or b) the image is under a [[c:Licencing|free license]] or is [[c:public domain|public domain]]. The image will be deleted per the [[c:deletion policy|deletion policy]] if it is neither. Also read [[WP:assume good faith|assume good faith]]; nobody is {{tq|being passively sceptical about absolutely everything}}. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]])</span> 03:33, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::[[User:Artyschool|Artyschool]], I don't know why you asked me, but you did ask me, so: Yes, [[:c:File:Alina stanila time travel.png|this photograph]] illustrates a designer garment. (Had I suggested otherwise?) Was it you who took the photograph? -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 04:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Artyschool|Artyschool]], Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons have very strict policy about not violating copyright. The person who took the photo (or the person who commissioned them to take it) owns that photo, and it is their property. No one can use it without their permission, and in order to upload it to Wikimedia Commons, they have to give up almost all rights to it -- that means anyone in the world is free to use it however they want -- which means the photo would be less valuable to its owner. So when we see professional-quality photos, we try to make sure the person who uploaded it (and gave up those rights) actually does own the photo. [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 10:25, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Now at [[User:Artyschool/sandbox]] with no references yet and a different image claimed by Artyschool as "own work" from 2017. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 16:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== List of Helena Bonham Carter performances ==

In the table of film roles in [[List of Helena Bonham Carter performances]], there is an errant column in the far right of the table. I can't figure out how to remove it. Could someone here take a look? [[Special:Contributions/76.14.122.5|76.14.122.5]] ([[User talk:76.14.122.5|talk]]) 03:28, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{fixed}}! 🛧[[User:Midori No Sora|<span style="color:#32CCB9;text-shadow:0.2em 0.2em 0.2em #69CC77;">'''Midori No Sora♪'''</span>]]🛪 (<small>[[User talk:Midori No Sora|<span style="color:#0066cc;text-shadow:0.2em 0.1em 0.2em #ffcc00;"> '''☁＝☁＝✈'''</span>]]</small>) 04:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you [[Special:Contributions/76.14.122.5|76.14.122.5]] ([[User talk:76.14.122.5|talk]]) 17:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

== I need information on how to reference correctly please ==

I need information on how to reference correctly please [[User:Kanubu33|Kanubu33]] ([[User talk:Kanubu33|talk]]) 12:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:Welcome to Wikipedia! The project page [[Wikipedia:Citing sources]] is a good overview of how to provide references for articles. [[User:Perception312|Perception312]] ([[User talk:Perception312|talk]]) 12:48, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Kanubu33|Kanubu33]] There is a more beginner-oriented Help page at [[WP:REFB]]. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 13:44, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:{{u|Kanubu33}}, is your question about the correct types of references needed to establish notability for an article on Wikipedia? If so, [[Wikipedia:Notability]] is the guideline, and [[Wikipedia:Writing Wikipedia articles backward]] is an essay that explains it for new users. I highly recommend reading the essay before putting more work into your draft. Regards, [[User:Rjjiii|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">Rjj<sup>iii</sup></span>]] ([[User talk:Rjjiii#top|talk]]) 04:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

== Review Africa Social Impact Summit ==

Hi, I am new to Wikipedia. The page Africa Social Impact Summit is yet to reviewed; it was created about 9 weeks ago. Please can it be reviewed, it is taking so long? thanks. [[User:Nnamdi93|Nnamdi93]] ([[User talk:Nnamdi93|talk]]) 12:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Nnamdi93|Nnamdi93]] You either created the article in mainspace or you moved it from draft straight to mainspace, either way it doesn't seem to have gone through the [[WP:AFC|articles for creation process]].
:If you create a page in mainspace then one of two things will happen before it can be shown on search engines; either a [[WP:NPP|new page patroller]] comes along and decides whether it's ok or not, or 90 days passes, after which it's automatically shown on search engines.
:Although both new page patrol and articles for creation are both formal reviews, if you want to have the page be reviewed through articles for creation (which is the normal process for newer editors), I will happily [[WP:MOVE|move]] it to a draft so it can go through the articles for creation process, however do note that that process can take up to 3 months due to how backlogged they are. [[User:CommissarDoggo|<b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b>]]''[[User talk:CommissarDoggo|<sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup>]]'' 12:48, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you @[[User:CommissarDoggo|CommissarDoggo]], the article has already spent about 50 days unreviewed. I will however see that it be moved back to draft to unable you work on it. Thank you. [[User:Nnamdi93|Nnamdi93]] ([[User talk:Nnamdi93|talk]]) 13:21, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Nnamdi93|Nnamdi93]] The page has now been moved to [[Draft:Africa Social Impact Summit]], you can submit it whenever you feel that it's ready, just remember that if the person reviewing the page believes that it's not ready you will have to follow their recommendations before you submit again. [[User:CommissarDoggo|<b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b>]]''[[User talk:CommissarDoggo|<sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup>]]'' 13:36, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Alright, thanks [[User:Nnamdi93|Nnamdi93]] ([[User talk:Nnamdi93|talk]]) 14:01, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::It is now submitted. Thank you. [[User:Nnamdi93|Nnamdi93]] ([[User talk:Nnamdi93|talk]]) 14:04, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Nnamdi93|Nnamdi93]] Welcome to Teahouse! [[Africa Social Impact Summit]] is already published. It is still awaiting a review, which is more an additional quality assurance. I notice a heavy reliance on [[WP:PRIMARY]] sources, and fewer secondary sources. Some citations link to empty websites, for example msn.com. You are encouraged to continue making quality improvements to the article in the meantime. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 [[User:Shushugah|Shushugah]]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User talk:Shushugah|talk]]) 12:58, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you @[[User:Shushugah|Shushugah]], I appreciate your encouragement. [[User:Nnamdi93|Nnamdi93]] ([[User talk:Nnamdi93|talk]]) 13:22, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Hello, Nnamdi93. The draft reads very much as what ASIS wants people to know about itself, with a fair bit of meaningless PR-speak. {{HD/WINI}} [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 14:21, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you so much. I am making improvement on how to edit on wikipedia. [[User:Nnamdi93|Nnamdi93]] ([[User talk:Nnamdi93|talk]]) 14:55, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Current status is [[Draft:Africa Social Impact Summit]]. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 21:36, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

== Draft: Jeff Klinger ==

Hi. Ive gotten feed back that every asserted fact needs a source. Some info like his date of birth and things he did during his early career are going to be difficult to substantiate. Also his television work is all on imdb which is not a reference. I feel the article is merited because he was a key player in the development of one of the most important incubators for comics during the mid 2000s, and at one point had a wikipedia page that was lost due to expired links. Can I get someone to review more specifically and help me pinpoint the troubling errors with what needs a reference. Also just a general opinion on whether or not being cited as an important part of that Comedy movement in two sources is enough to be considered worthy of notoriety. [[User:MickeyGray85|MickeyGray85]] ([[User talk:MickeyGray85|talk]]) 15:43, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{courtesy link|Draft:Jeff Klinger}}
:Hi @[[User:MickeyGray85|MickeyGray85]]: can I ask, if you cannot find a source to substantiate this person's DOB, how do you know it yourself? What we're asking for is that you tell us where you got the information from, by citing your sources. If those sources are [[WP:reliable|reliable]], great. If not, then a better source needs to be found, and if that's not possible, then the information in question needs to be removed.
:Also noting that this draft currently cites two sources, both against the same statement, with the vast majority of the information unreferenced. So my example of the DOB is really only that; an example. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 16:05, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::I was wondering if you think without that first summary paragraph. Ie with just the television work available on imdb and then the summary of the events at the Lyons den do I need to reference the television work again? [[User:MickeyGray85|MickeyGray85]] ([[User talk:MickeyGray85|talk]]) 20:29, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:Just to add that the DOB should ''not'' be included unless it is widely publicized, as that raises a [[WP:BLPPRIVACY]] issue. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 16:40, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::he has a website that has his personal biography on it. i dont mind truncating that first paragraph almost entirely its basically summerizing the biography on his website, but we cant reference that. Basically the fact that he was referenced almost 12 years after the fact as being a key player at the lyons den is the entire i guess "arguement" im making that he is a notable person, considering he at one point had a wikipedia page. so I'm happy to remove all the personal stuff and keep it related to that. [[User:MickeyGray85|MickeyGray85]] ([[User talk:MickeyGray85|talk]]) 20:36, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

== unbelievably complex and multi-layered rcat question ==

do redirects to and from different types of numerals (like [[doom 2]] for [[Doom II|doom ii]]) get the r from alternative spelling template, or was it something else i might have missed? '''[[User:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">cogsan</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(nag me)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(stalk me)</span>]]</sub>''' 16:02, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Cogsan|Cogsan]]. I'm not sure what you mean by "get the r", but as far as I am aware, all redirects are manually created and no templates are involved. Does that answner your question? [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 16:28, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]: I believe {{U|Cogsan}} is asking if redirecting {{!xt|Doom 2}} to {{xt|Doom II}} would warrant using the {{tl|r from alternative spelling}} template. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 16:45, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::correct!! see for example "[[morshu]]", which has some redirect templates. i just haven't found a properly categorized redirect from alternative numerals to confirm what ''should'' be used, and there's no "[[Template:R from alternative numeral|r from alternative numeral]]" template '''[[User:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">cogsan</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(nag me)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(stalk me)</span>]]</sub>''' 16:58, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::::{{re|Cogsan}} think you're looking for {{t|R to Roman numerals}} and {{t|R from Roman numerals}}. [[User:Elli|Elli]] ([[User_talk:Elli|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Elli|contribs]]) 17:01, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::that's the ticket
:::::thanks '''[[User:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">cogsan</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(nag me)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(stalk me)</span>]]</sub>''' 17:04, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

== How do you correct a mistake on Wikipedia? ==

On the Mathew Grimson page it describes "Question Everything Records" as being Curphey Forrestall's record label. I release material on this label as well but it is Greg Kendrick's label. I am Curphey Forrestall I should know. Greg Kendrick was in ther band Skinned Roadie with Mathew. [[Matthew_Grimson]] - [[User:Curphey Curphey|Curphey Curphey]] ([[User talk:Curphey Curphey|talk]]) 18:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:It doesn't look like the sentence in question has a reference to anything so it can probably be deleted. If you have an article or some other source that details the 2024 release and/or the ownership of the record label, that would be great - I can't find anything, which is exacerbated by a very similar record label owned by members of [[Brockhampton (band)|Brockhampton]]. [[User:Reconrabbit|<span style="color:#6BAD2D">Recon</span>]][[User talk:Reconrabbit|<span style="color:#2F3833">rabbit</span>]] 19:06, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:Hello {{u|Curphey Curphey}}, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Matthew_Grimson&diff=1236540049&oldid=1229405678 your edit] was the right thing to do. Wikipedia has loads of policies, and the relevant one here is [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons]] (BLP). It says, "{{tq|Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—must be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion.}}" Take care, [[User:Rjjiii|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">Rjj<sup>iii</sup></span>]] ([[User talk:Rjjiii#top|talk]]) 04:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

== "Error: unknown archive URL" ==

Hello, I just added a lot of sections to the article "[[Line drawing algorithm]]", which I translated from the german version. A couple of the references (which I also took directly from the german article while only fixing the formatting of the dates) have "Error: unknown archive URL" displayed behind them. I couldn't quite figure out how to fix this, is this an issue and if yes does anybody know how to fix it? [[User:Yoneda-Emma|Yoneda-Emma]] ([[User talk:Yoneda-Emma|talk]]) 19:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
: {{re|Yoneda-Emma}} From what I can tell, {{t|webarchive}} does not have a "webarchive" parameter. The German version of the template does, if that's where you copied it from. See {{t|webarchive}} got how to use the template here. [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 19:25, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

== Subtitle edit ==

Hi, is there a way I may edit the subtitles of an audio file (.ogg)? I was reading one and saw an error I desire to correct. Thank you! [[User:ButterCashier|ButterCashier]] ([[User talk:ButterCashier|talk]]) 19:21, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:ButterCashier|ButterCashier]]. See [[:commons:Commons:Timed Text]] for general help. Please link the file to get more specific help like a link to where you can edit the subtitles. It's always best to be specific when you ask for help. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 20:21, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

== Finding that mentor link? ==

On my first pass through my user page, there was a mentor link (something like ganesha8 or 881???) -- but now I can't find that link again.

Are there ways of searching for user pages?

-m [[User:Condonfnm|Condonfnm]] ([[User talk:Condonfnm|talk]]) 21:16, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{ping|Condonfnm}} Welcome to Wikipedia! If you visit your [[Special:Homepage|Homepage]], there should be a sidebar on the right that displays your mentor (if you were assigned one). <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 21:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{ping|Condonfnm}} Perhaps [[User:Ganesha811]]? [[User:Deor|Deor]] ([[User talk:Deor|talk]]) 22:59, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

== edits rejected ==

My edits on a known abusive man, evidenced in a national report, continue to be deleted. I want to know why. [[Special:Contributions/2407:7000:9B01:BF00:3DF6:9187:DA2:EFFA|2407:7000:9B01:BF00:3DF6:9187:DA2:EFFA]] ([[User talk:2407:7000:9B01:BF00:3DF6:9187:DA2:EFFA|talk]]) 02:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

:Please see the message that was left on your talk page about why User:Grabup reverted your edit (I did not linked his username as it will ping the user and they will get a notification). If you have questions about it, respond back to this user on your talk page by pressing the "Reply" button. [[User:Soafy234|Soafy234]] ([[User talk:Soafy234|talk]]) 02:43, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
::<small>[[User:Soafy234|Soafy234]], try [[Template:Noping]]. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 02:55, 25 July 2024 (UTC)</small>

:Thank you for drawing my attention to the article [[John da Silva]], which, in view of the number of more or less dodgy edits recently made to it, I have just now semi-protected. (Incidentally, I sleepily cited the wrong reason for doing so. This is not a living person; it's a matter of poorly sourced additions.) You are welcome to use [[Talk:John da Silva]] to ask for specific improvements to be made to the article. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 02:55, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
::I also thought it was a BLP. The IP was adding unsourced strong allegations against the person, which is why I instantly removed it. Even if it is not a BLP, adding unsourced allegations like [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_da_Silva&diff=prev&oldid=1236503287 this] is not acceptable. [[User:Grabup|<span style="color:blue;">Grab</span><span style="color:red; font-size:larger;">Up</span>]] - [[User talk:Grabup|<span style="color:green;">Talk</span>]] 03:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:::The edit was not ''unsourced''; it included the text "as evidenced in the Royal Commission into the Abuse in Care report". Note that the article already included <code><nowiki>The [[Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care]] reported in 2024 that "young people's lives were ruined from the abuse they suffered" at Whakapakari.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.abuseincare.org.nz/reports/whanaketia/case-studies/case-study-whakapakari/executive-summary/|title=Boot Camp: Te Whakapakari Youth Programme A case study of State-funded violence and abuse of children and young people needing care and protection—Executive summary|publisher=Abuse in Care - Royal Commission of Inquiry|access-date=25 July 2024}}</ref> Survivors reported physical and sexual abuse from supervisors and da Silva.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.abuseincare.org.nz/reports/whanaketia/case-studies/case-study-whakapakari/chapter-3/|title=Chapter 3: Nature and extent of abuse and neglect at Whakapakari|publisher=Abuse in Care - Royal Commission of Inquiry|access-date=25 July 2024}}</ref></nowiki></code> <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 13:27, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
::::{{U|Pigsonthewing}}, it was indeed sourced, but here's one addition that I think is written far too sloppily: {{Olive|<nowiki>He routinely abused children and young people as cited in the Royal Commission into [https://www.abuseincare.org.nz Abuse in Care Inquiry.] The report also reveals he appeared on a rape charge.</nowiki>}} This subject requires careful thought and careful writing. (Yes, more care than I displayed when selecting a reason for s-protection. ''Mea culpa''....) Would-be editors are welcome to suggest changes on the talk page; none has yet done so. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 22:49, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== Population density values in Wikipedia articles are very often wrong ==

I've observed this in many articles over the years. I can understand that population varies over time, but to be honest, sometimes I don't understand where they get the values, because they are often way off. I think the solution to this is to modify the Geography template we currently use to one that just divides the population into the area.

I'll give you one example of what I'm talking about. Let's look at this article: [[Morocco]]. In the template it says that the population density is 50. But if you divide the 2022 population into the area, you get 85. It's way off. Where did they get the 50 value? [[User:12qwas|12qwas]] ([[User talk:12qwas|talk]]) 06:31, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:12qwas|12qwas]] If you don't get a good reply here, for the general question, you could try [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries]]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 08:37, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

::Looks like old vandalism that has not been noticed: {{diff|label=diff|diff=848189737}}, a change in 2018 from 79 to 50. Thank you for reporting this. [[User:MKFI|MKFI]] ([[User talk:MKFI|talk]]) 08:53, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:::It wasn't vandalism. It's about how to treat the disputed territory [[Western Sahara]]. The infobox showed two areas at the time but only one population and density. Somebody changed the density to match the other area. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 11:42, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== Account creation question ==

There seems to be some code/bot that is creating accounts at assorted wikis (multiple languages) by copying from
meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:... I came across this as someone thought I had just joined the swwiki and sent me a welcome message. It is continuing, and via my global account info I was added to sw.wikipedia.org on July 23 and ka.wikipedia.org on July 25. Does anyone know what is going on here?

N.B., this may not be the best place for this question, I am just starting here -- suggestions for better locations would be useful.

N.N.B., at least at swwiki this was news to a beaurocrat so is maybe some global bot action. [[User:Ldm1954|Ldm1954]] ([[User talk:Ldm1954|talk]]) 09:29, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Ldm1954|Ldm1954]] AFAIK, local accounts for each project are created automatically when you first log on to that wiki. Some wikis, such as swwiki, have set up auto-welcoming systems. There isn't really a way to delete your local accounts or opt-out of the welcomes. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]])</span> 09:36, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:CanonNi|CanonNi]], I was not clear enough. I did not sign into or log into either swwiki or kawiki. These (and many others) user accounts were created without asking me. By searching the global creation logs and selected pages it is clear that the information was copied from metawiki.
::As an illustration, did you create an account at zh.wikisource.org on July 17 as well as the many others, see your [[Special:CentralAuth/CanonNi | global accounts]]. Perhaps you did;
::[[Special:CentralAuth/Ldm1954 | my global]] has many I did not create.
::N.B., I only found out because a newish user was doing swwiki welcomes to what he thought were newly registered users, but are buggy bot creations. [[User:Ldm1954|Ldm1954]] ([[User talk:Ldm1954|talk]]) 09:54, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Ldm1954}} If you are logged in at any Wikipedia language or other Wikimedia wiki when you view a page at another wiki then your account is automatically created there if it doesn't already exist (unless something prevents the login from being detected). If a wiki imports a page with page history from another wiki where you edited the page then your account can also be created even if you have never visited the wiki. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 11:06, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
::::I did not view any pages in other languages on those days. The wikis are randomly importing pages. [[User:Ldm1954|Ldm1954]] ([[User talk:Ldm1954|talk]]) 12:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Ldm1954}} You may have clicked something and forgotten it. Your swwiki account was created 12 minutes before you added a file to an article.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Metal&diff=prev&oldid=1236268144] The file page [[:File:Battery Demonstration Unit - DPLA - d7a2b9c6b8649718195480084ed63d41 (page 2).jpg#globalusage]] has a single link to [[:sw:Alan MacDiarmid]]. I guess you checked it out. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:28, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::I did, but IMHO that should not have automatically created an account for me, I think that is a bug. Anyone, now I know what is going on so I will move on to my never shrinking "To Do" list. [[User:Ldm1954|Ldm1954]] ([[User talk:Ldm1954|talk]]) 12:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{ping|Ldm1954}} I think it's a nice feature that you automatically remain logged in when you visit another Wikimedia wiki. It for example means that your IP address isn't revealed if you make an edit, your [[Special:GlobalPreferences]] are applied, and you can get notifications from other wikis. But welcome messages to your local talk page can be annoying. I have a proposal at [[meta:Welcoming policy]] to disallow it for users with no edits. If a system could be made where you could remain logged in ''without'' creating the local account unless you edit or log in with your password then that might have merit too. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:58, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== I want to create a wikipedia page for someone else, whom I admire. Can I do that? ==

I want to create a wikipedia page for someone else, whom I admire. Can I do that? [[User:Gaurav Kishore Rungta|Gaurav Kishore Rungta]] ([[User talk:Gaurav Kishore Rungta|talk]]) 09:29, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:{{u|Gaurav Kishore Rungta}}, "admire" is a very vague word with a very broad meaning. If you simply read about a notable person, found them impressive with no further connection, and want to write a Wikipedia biography about them, then no problem. On the other hand, if you have a close personal connection with the person, such as being a relative, a close friend, a colleague or joint members of the same organization, then you have a [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] which you need to declare openly You should then use the [[WP:AFC|Articles for Creation]] process where volunteer editors without a conflict of interest will evaluate your draft article. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 09:54, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|Gaurav Kishore Rungta}} The person has to satisfy one of our notability guidelines, typically [[Wikipedia:Notability (people)]] but you didn't identify them. The article has to include sources to demonstrate notability. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 10:57, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
::It appears you created content on your User page, which was Speedy deleted. See [[WP:UP]] for User page and [[WP:YFA]] for how to create and submit a draft. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 12:56, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, Gaurav Kishore Rungta, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.
:It's great that you want to contribute, but I would advise you to go slow. {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}
:Remember that writing a new article is not the only way that you make powerful contributions to Wikipedia! [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 14:31, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== Citing theorems in math books ==

Hi, relatively new Wikipedia editor here. I've created a page yesterday for [[Sierpiński's theorem on metric spaces]]. In the citations, I'd like to give pointers like "Theorem 1.9.6" or "Exercise 7.12" in addition to page numbers (this is often easier to use when reading the book as PDF, since PDF readers can jump to the n-th page of the PDF file, but often cannot jump to the n-th page in the book's own numbering, in the absence of metadata). What's the preferred way to do this? I didn't find a suitable parameter for it in templates like [[Template:Cite book]]. Thanks! [[User:Jean Abou Samra|Jean Abou Samra]] ([[User talk:Jean Abou Samra|talk]]) 11:51, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:Jean Abou Samra|Jean Abou Samra]], welcome to the Teahouse. You can use <code>|at=</code> instead of (not in addition to) a page parameter. See [[Template:Cite book#In-source locations]]. Both a theorem number and a page number could be specified, e.g. <code>|at=Theorem 1.9.6, p. 40</code>, but I don't know the practice. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks! Sorry for missing that param on the [[Template:Cite book]] page (for my defense, there are so many parameters…). [[User:Jean Abou Samra|Jean Abou Samra]] ([[User talk:Jean Abou Samra|talk]]) 12:38, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Jean Abou Samra|Jean Abou Samra]] Another possibility is to provide a Google Books link as the |url= parameter in the cite and then arrange things so this points to the section (or keywords etc.) of the book you want to highlight. Whether this works depends on Google allowing "search inside" but is often successful. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 13:31, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== Anti-Vandalism ==

Hey! I recently went onto the task-center page, and I found out I can do anti-vandalism. Is there any way I could join the CVU? [[User:WhoIsBean|WhoIsBean]] ([[User talk:WhoIsBean|talk]]) 13:17, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:WhoIsBean|WhoIsBean]] Almost all long-term editors here will notice vandalism and revert it. Those who join the [[WP:CVU]] are volunteers like the rest of us but want to highlight that more of their time will be spent on that task than alternative ways to use their time here. Note that we have a special definition of what we mean by [[WP:Vandalism]], so reading that page should be your first step. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 13:25, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:WhoIsBean|WhoIsBean]] ([[User talk:WhoIsBean|talk]]) 13:28, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== How to receive feedback on Talk Pages ==

Hello! I have submitted a few comments on the [[Up TV]] talk page. I have not made direct edits to the article due to COI (noted on talk page). It has been a few days. Is it likely someone will reply, or will my comments go stale? [[User:Austinchrps|Austinchrps]] ([[User talk:Austinchrps|talk]]) 14:23, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

:I've added the appropriate template to your first request. An editor will eventually review it. Your second request is blatant advertising and I declined it. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 14:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
::Hi CFA - thank you for your help, it is much appreciated. [[User:Austinchrps|Austinchrps]] ([[User talk:Austinchrps|talk]]) 15:23, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, Austinchrps. Thank you for being open about your status as a paid editor.
:Generally, it is best to use the [[WP:edit request|edit request]] mechanism in cases like this, because the template will put the request in a list of requests waiting. That doesn't guarantee that it will happen quickly, but if you don't do so, then it's possible that your request might not get noticed.
:Notice also that page also advises you how to construct your request. Your second request is neither specific, nor supported by an adequate source.
:While I see that your first request is uncontroversial factual data <s>and has already been actioned</s>, your second appears to be pure promotion. Unless you can show (by citing it) that somebody wholly unconnected with Up TV has been sufficiently interested in its 20th anniversary by writing at some length about it (not merely noting it in passing), why on earth should an encyclopaedia be remotely interested? [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 14:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
::I misread the first request - it hasn't been actioned and I have struck through my words above. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 14:43, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Hi Colin - I have submitted another request on the talk page (unrelated to those you reviewed previously). This time, I believe I have used the proper edit template. Can you confirm this was submitted correctly? Thank you! [[User:Austinchrps|Austinchrps]] ([[User talk:Austinchrps|talk]]) 17:15, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
::Hi Colin - I appreciate your help and insights. Thank you! [[User:Austinchrps|Austinchrps]] ([[User talk:Austinchrps|talk]]) 15:23, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== Relevancy of data ==

i am not having strong relivent source online but i have hard copy and books which is not more popular as it is in reginol language nagpuri so my draft is declined every time what should i do [[User:Nagpuri writers|Nagpuri writers]] ([[User talk:Nagpuri writers|talk]]) 14:38, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Nagpuri writers|Nagpuri writers]] The issue with [[Draft:Shivawatar choudhary]] is not that it relies on [[WP:OFFLINE]] sources (which, as that link says are prefectly acceptable) but that you have not correctly cited those sources. Please read [[WP:REFB|this help article]] carefully. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 14:42, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== I read his words but don't understand them ==

to my [[Draft:Ben Bazyler]]. --[[User:Virtualiter|Virtualiter]] ([[User talk:Virtualiter|talk]]) 14:56, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:What part of "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources." do you not understand? Your draft has paragraphs without references. Also, you copied content from ref #1, which is a copyright infringement. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 15:16, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, Virtualiter, and welcome to the Teahouse.
:Some of your sources may be acceptable, but it is hard to tell, because you have not formatted them with the important information (title, author, publisher, date) easily visible. Please read [[WP:REFB]].
:Since the purpose of a citation is to provide verification for a piece of encyclopaedic information in an article, there is not usually any point in citing library catalogues. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:57, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
::The article has 4+3 excellent citations. I have now formatted them - as best as I can - although Citation-Bot can probably do a much better job of this, as I have seen.
::I have shortened the first paragraph further. (ref #1)
:: Can the quote about his early repertoire from an unpublished interview with M. Alpert from 1990 remain? I have no idea how to paraphrase this. --[[User:Virtualiter|Virtualiter]] ([[User talk:Virtualiter|talk]]) 17:56, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:: I have now pasted together paragraphs that apparently have no sources - although I would find it more pleasant if events in Tashkent, Lodz and LA were easier to distinguish. Is that better? --[[User:Virtualiter|Virtualiter]] ([[User talk:Virtualiter|talk]]) 18:16, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:::{{u|Virtualiter}}, as a matter of policy, all quotations ''must'' be referenced to a reliable, ''published'' source. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 23:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:::: Alpert recorded the interview on cassettes in 1990 (see: external links). [[Hankus Netsky]], from whom I copied it, must have listened to it. Now Bazyler's "early repertoire" has been 'revealed to the public': https://polishmusic.usc.edu/research/publications/polish-music-journal/vol6no1/twentieth-century-jewish-musicians/#back14 Do you think, Netsky is not reliable?
:::: Now i have blockquoted Bazyler's "early repertoire". Does that look finer? --[[User:Virtualiter|Virtualiter]] ([[User talk:Virtualiter|talk]]) 08:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Someone please tell me what else is wrong? --[[User:Virtualiter|Virtualiter]] ([[User talk:Virtualiter|talk]]) 14:12, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

== Slave ship Clotilda, disagreement on history ==

On July 6, 2024 the Wall Street Journal published an article online titled: "It was the last slave ship to reach the U.S. Or was it a Hoax?" Sub deck: ""The Clotilda wreck brought global attention to Mobile. But now there are questions"

The story appeared July 13 in print as: "Ship Divides Historians." Sub deck: "The Clotilda wreck put Mobile, Ala, in headlines. But now there are questions."

The current Clotilda site presents a history of that ship that several prominent historians have disagreed with. I want to make a few edits to flag the presence of this disagreement. I'm a former editor and foreign correspondent for the Wall Street Journal, and a former writer for Fortune Magazine. In 2007 St. Martins Press published my book: "The Wanderer: The Last American slave ship." It was updated in 2021. [[User:Ericorlando|Ericorlando]] ([[User talk:Ericorlando|talk]]) 15:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Relevant articles are [[Clotilda (slave ship)]] and [[Wanderer (slave ship)]]. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 15:30, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:The Talk page of Clotilda has a discussion about whether the Clotilda history is true or not, settled at that time as true. It appears that the WSJ story is (very) recent. Consider starting a discussion on the Talk page before editing the article itself. And maybe waiting to see what responses there are to the WSJ article. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 15:46, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
::The author of the book "The Wanderer: The Last American Slave Ship..." is Erik Calonius, as is the author of the WSJ article. You state that you are the author of the book. If you are also the author of the WSJ article disputing the Clotilda history, then you definitely have what Wikipedia describes as a conflict of interest ([[WP:COI]]). I now strongly recommend that you not edit the article directly, but instead propose, with independent references, changes to content to dispute the facts in the Clotilda article. Do not use as references your book or your WSJ article. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 15:57, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks, David. The author of the WSJ story is Cameron McWhirter, a nation writer for the paper. He interviewed me for the piece. The Wanderer book is not connected to the Clotilda inquiry. I'm not making any money from Clotilda and have no products to sell. [[User:Ericorlando|Ericorlando]] ([[User talk:Ericorlando|talk]]) 19:27, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Hello, Ericorlando. Whether or not you are making any money is not the point. Wikipedia's policy on [[WP:conflict of interest|conflict of interest]] is intended to preserve the [[WP:neutral point of view|neutral point of view]] , which is a core policy. Citing your own work or you own research - or an interview with you - is something that a Wikipedia article might do, if it is published somewhere reliable; but you should not be the one to add the citation or the text which the citation supports. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 20:47, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thank you Colin. Whoever posted the present Clotilda article did not, in my judgment, express a neutral point of view. They said that the Clotilda was a real ship that brought slaves from Africa. That accounting is not neutral. It does not included the critical point: Several prominent historians disagree, and believe that the Clotilda slave ship was a hoax, perpetrated by southern extremists, and not a real event.
:::::So I want to note the Wall Street Journal article of July 6 and 13 ("Historians disagree," etc) and name the historians and their books. I'm trying to establish neutrality in a Wiki story that, at the present, is not neutral! [[User:Ericorlando|Ericorlando]] ([[User talk:Ericorlando|talk]]) 13:40, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::Again, No. Given your conflict of interest, you are to not edit the Clotilda article. Rather, you are permitted to propose what you believe needs to be changed on the Talk page of the article, for a non-involved editor to either implement or refuse to implement your proposed changes. And given that the WSJ article is an interview with you, you should not use that as a reference. You can reference other historians and their books. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 19:10, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

== Help please ==

I find that the Wikipedia content regarding the GOP-led Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 legislation is seriously inadequate and misleading. I've spent a mountain of time on the subject and I'm preparing some edits, and I hope to have a chart included in Wikipedia. I hope that somebody out there could help mentor me, I've never tried to edit anything in Wikipedia. BRUCE NORVELL
[[User:Norvellb|Norvellb]] ([[User talk:Norvellb|talk]]) 21:43, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, {{u|Norvellb}}. I have removed your personal contact information, which is not appropriate for Wikipedia. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 22:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
::The best place to discuss your concerns about the article is [[Talk:Tax Cuts and Jobs Act]]. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 22:14, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
::Jim, thank you for reaching out.  We grew up in the same region, Pontiac for me.  Woodward Avenue I think was the world’s first paved road, I used to take the trolly between Detroit and Pontiac.
::I’ve sent a 688 word (without footnotes) to several publications, and I now don’t know what I’ve sent to Wikipedia for consideration.  I sure appreciate your guidance, as I do not understand key Wikipedia instructions.
::Your apparent suggestion of directing my concerns to your suggested link has me puzzled, because there is no info of consequence a that site.  See attached screenshot.
::I propose making some important changes to the Wikipedia article at [[Tax Cuts and Jobs Act|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Cuts_and_Jobs_Act]] ; see the attachment as an example:
::a)    I would start a new paragraph with the word “Some”, and
::b)   I would end the new paragraph with the following text “Also, the TCJA creates wid disparities in taxing “Specified” and “Qualified” business income.
::I would include the attached chart to illustrate the sharp disparities in tax reductions for what I call “Favored” and “Disfavored” income, and I’d include narrative discussing examples of disparities.
::Wikipedia seems to want me to learn from its “Teahouse” website re how to edit an article, but I am simply incapable of understanding content at that site.
::Thank you, Bruce Norvell [[User:Norvellb|Norvellb]] ([[User talk:Norvellb|talk]]) 01:33, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
:I feel like a link to [[WP:OR|original research]] might be needed here. Depending on what you mean by spending time on the subject and wanting a chart included... --[[User:Onorem|Onorem]] ([[User talk:Onorem|talk]]) 22:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for reaching out, Onorem – I feel like I need some direction.
::I composed two Excel sheets that quantify the consequence of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 to all income groups, and a chart.  Both of which I attach.  I would love to put these items in my Dropbox account but doing that radically goofs up both the chart and the Excel sheets.  
::I would love to get your suggestions on proceeding.  I believe that the TCJA is of high importance to many in the USA community.
::Regards, Bruce Norvell [[User:Norvellb|Norvellb]] ([[User talk:Norvellb|talk]]) 01:32, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
:::You've been pointed to the policy on [[WP:OR|original research]] because it sounds like you're looking for a place to publish materials that you have personally come up with - but Wikipedia is not a venue for doing that. Wikipedia only summarizes what [[WP:RS|published sources]] have to say, and those sources must be published in ways that meet Wikipedia's requirements. We cannot use Excel sheets you have composed or charts you have made as sources - not until those materials have been published elsewhere, such as in a academic journal or a newspaper. [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] ([[User talk:MrOllie|talk]]) 01:48, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
::::{{u|Norvelib}} People new to Wikipedia often find their edits to articles reverted (reversed) not because the added content was not true, but because it was not verified by valid references added at the same time. In general, Wikipedia advises editors to be bold in their edits, but if reverted, start a discussion at hte Talk page of the article in an attempt to reach a consensus with other editors. What qualifies as valid references is described at [[WP:42]]. How to format a referance at [[Help:Referencing for beginners]]. You have mentioned a chart and spreadsheet of your creation, which clearly sounds like original research, which is forbidden, per the above advice. Last, you mention attaching stuff, but there is no evidence you have attached anything anywhere. I suppose that if you want people to look at something you could put it in your Sandbox, but again - original research. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 02:47, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

== Logic ==

How can i publish a statement of logic as an introduction to a theorem proof? [[User:Ben Wiegerink|Ben Wiegerink]] ([[User talk:Ben Wiegerink|talk]]) 23:42, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:[[User:Ben Wiegerink|Ben Wiegerink]], your (few) edits so far give me the impression that you hope to use Wikipedia to publish your own novel ''tractatus''. Am I right? -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 00:30, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
:(edit conflict) Hi [[User:Ben Wiegerink|Ben Wiegerink]], welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia content should satisfy [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]] by being based on published reliable sources so that's what you have to use. Based on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ben_Wiegerink&diff=prev&oldid=1236667364] I suspect you want to argue for [[intelligent design]] and present it as science. See [[Talk:Intelligent design/FAQ]] for Wikipedia's stance that intelligent design is pseudoscience and a form of creationism. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 00:33, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

== So what needs to be done to get a submission ==

My first article wasn't accepted, I guess I need more links. But where I am going to get more links if related info is not available online. Mongolia is kind of new to online thing and most info is only available in paper. Please advise me how I can get it accepted. [[User:Naila Oto|Naila Oto]] ([[User talk:Naila Oto|talk]]) 04:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
:{{Small|{{Courtesy link|User:Naila Oto/sandbox}}. [[User:Bsoyka|<span style="color:#fff;background:#055;padding:.2em">'''Bsoyka'''</span>]] (<i>[[User talk:Bsoyka|t]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Bsoyka|c]] &bull; [[User:Bsoyka/Guestbook|g]]</i>) 04:37, 26 July 2024 (UTC)}}{{pb}}@[[User:Naila Oto|Naila Oto]]: Welcome to the Teahouse! Wherever you found the information for your draft should be referenced—this doesn't have to be an online source. Offline/paper sources are perfectly acceptable, as long as they follow our policies on [[WP:RS|reliability]] and [[WP:V|verifiability]]. For more information on using offline sources, see [[WP:OFFLINE]]. Happy editing! [[User:Bsoyka|<span style="color:#fff;background:#055;padding:.2em">'''Bsoyka'''</span>]] (<i>[[User talk:Bsoyka|t]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Bsoyka|c]] &bull; [[User:Bsoyka/Guestbook|g]]</i>) 04:37, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
::Your draft has hyperlinks in the body of the article - which are not allowed - and no references. See [[Help:Referencing for beginners]] on how to reference and [[WP:42]] for reference requirements. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 10:15, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

== Advice for tense for legislation ==

When describing a bill that was introduced in a prior Congress and not approved, is it better to say the bill "would do" such and such, or the bill "would have done" such and such? Can bills sit for years and get passed without being reintroduced? [[User:Seananony|Seananony]] ([[User talk:Seananony|talk]]) 04:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

:Grammatically, "would have done" is the correct tense for the circumstance you describe, because the bill was rejected and therefore cannot ever "do" what it "would have". As for your second question, while the rules may vary by locale, in the U.S. Congress, bills expire at the end of each annual legislative session and must be reintroduced before they could possibly be passed. [[User:Al Begamut|Al Begamut]] ([[User talk:Al Begamut|talk]]) 17:20, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks. [[User:Seananony|Seananony]] ([[User talk:Seananony|talk]]) 23:31, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

== How do I create my own Wiki ==

Need help [[User:Redhead latina|Redhead latina]] ([[User talk:Redhead latina|talk]]) 05:39, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

:The teahouse is only really here for help with the English edition of Wikipedia. For creating a whole new Wiki you might want to look at [[mw:Hosting services]] for a list of services that specifically host the MediaWiki software. -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|t]]'' -- 05:46, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
:I think you may be asking how you can have a Wikipedia article published about you, not how to create a wiki, which is an entire platform like Wikipedia itself. If so, you should be aware that most people do not meet Wikipedia's guideline for topics that should be covered, which is based on whether reliable sources have already written a significant amount about you (this is called [[WP:N|notability]] on Wikipedia). It is also strongly advised that you do not write an article about yourself (see [[Wikipedia:Autobiography]]); if you are notable as defined here someone else will write about you eventually. [[User:Tollens|Tollens]] ([[User talk:Tollens|talk]]) 06:09, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

== Collapse Template semi-technical request ==

* Have used Template <nowiki> {{collapse top|}} {{collapse bottom}} </nowiki> in nested fashion (two collapse templates in one collapse template -purpose keeping content well organized and presentable) at a [[User talk:Louis P. Boog/sandbox/Jinn sandbox 4-20-2024#RfC: Proposed additions of text 1|user sandbox talk page]]. ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Louis_P._Boog/sandbox/Jinn_sandbox_4-20-2024&action=history sandbox talk page history]). [[User:Louis P. Boog]] communicated me, "attempted to add a cite to Proposed additions of text 1 and now it won't open.", "Correction. checking the history I found earlier Proposed additions of text 1 do not open either! Can you fix this??"

:1) Can some one well versed with 'Collapse Templates' help test and confirm if 'Collapse Templates' are functioning properly to you.
:2) From the talk page history I did not get what difficulty User:Louis P. Boog may be facing, may be some one can help. [[User:Bookku|&#32;Bookku ]] ([[User talk:Bookku|talk]]) 08:01, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
::Let's see what happens if I nest collapse templates.
{{cot|outer header}}
some text
{{cot|inner header}}
inner text
{{cob}}
more text
{{cob}}
::Yup, it all works. I'll have a look at {{u|Louis P. Boog}}'s request. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 07:56, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks at Maproom, editing the thread to keep it live till Louis P. Boog visits here or problem gets sorted out. [[User:Bookku|&#32;Bookku ]] ([[User talk:Bookku|talk]]) 13:11, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Yes, thank you [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] --[[User:Louis P. Boog|Louis P. Boog]] ([[User talk:Louis P. Boog|talk]]) 01:11, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

== Template update help ==

Hi, I have made a version of [[Template:At school|Template:At_school]] where I added 2 new options ("vocational" option for type and a new option called occupation). I would like someone to check my spelling and help me decide the best name for the occupation option. Also, I am unsure if I should merge my version into the original template. I am new and don't feel comfortable immediately merging the pages without someone reviewing it first.
My version: [[User:ArttuErland/At_school]]. Thanks, [[User:ArttuErland|<span style="color:#0080ff;">ArttuErland</span>]] <sup>([[User_talk:ArttuErland|<span style="color:#0080ff;">talk</span>]]) Leave me a message!</sup> <sub>He/Him (alt. they/them)</sub> 08:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

: {{Ping|ArttuErland}} Looks OK to me. Here's a tip: In future, when you're forking a template in that manner, start by saving an ''exact'' copy of the original. Then, we can use diffs to see what changes you have made. Please be sure to update the documentation when you merge your edits into the original template. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 09:20, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks! Also, what would have been the correct way to save the exact copy? [[User:ArttuErland|<span style="color:#0080ff;">ArttuErland</span>]] <sup>([[User_talk:ArttuErland|<span style="color:#0080ff;">talk</span>]]) Leave me a message!</sup> <sub>He/Him (alt. they/them)</sub> 09:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|ArttuErland}} Just cut'n'paste the markup into the page for the new template, using the edit summary to say where it came from. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:01, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

== Infobox help ==

Hi Teahouse,

I'm having an discussion and argument that does not seem come up with a resolution with other Wikipedia Editors, can some of you go to Olivia Rodrigo talk page, please?

I opened up a discussion regarding her Infobox: Instruments of what to include or not, Olivia can play guitar and piano. I tried to add ukelele and electric guitar but other editors said that it is not applicable, citing the reason as WP:Coatrack but we allowed the other musicians biography - infobox-instrumentals to put all the instrumentals on their biography from vocals to guitar to piano to bass guitar to drums to ukelele and so forth without any objection. Now, one of the editors removed on Olivia's - Infobox: instrumentals -- the guitar and piano and only retaining"Vocals" but when i viewed other musicians biography, these are not happening on others artists. Why are some editors are citing different rules and impose strictest rules when it comes to Olivia Rodrigo biography but not on others?

please check the talk page of [[Olivia Rodrigo]]. I'm trying to get a consensus. thanks!--[[User:Forgiveandloveoneanother|Forgiveandloveoneanother]] ([[User talk:Forgiveandloveoneanother|talk]]) 09:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:Forgiveandloveoneanother|Forgiveandloveoneanother]], welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid you're getting into [[WP:CANVASSING]] territory here - getting other editors involved is a good idea, but you need to leave ''neutrally worded'' notices. Also, the Teahouse is not really a place to leave such a notice, though asking for clarification about Wikipedia's often confusing labyrinth of rules is fine. [[Special:Contributions/57.140.16.8|57.140.16.8]] ([[User talk:57.140.16.8|talk]]) 13:59, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
::I disagree that this is canvassing, and even if it's borderline, we can cut new editors some slack when they make such posts here at the Teahouse. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:03, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

== Comparing and combining a draft and an article ==

Greetings,
I have translated the article [[Draft:Synchronous_machine]] and would like to ask for advice to combine it with an article [[Synchronous_motor]]. [[User:Renanalmeids|Renanalmeids]] ([[User talk:Renanalmeids|talk]]) 10:14, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

== IP user situation ==

Hello, I'd like to ask a question, but I'd like to add context. In the following pages: [[List of diplomatic missions in Indonesia]] and [[List of diplomatic missions in Jakarta]], IP user 118.136.39.87 keeps on making disruptive and unconstructive edits on both articles since the end of last month by adding Israel to the list of embassies. What's worse is that his edits are poorly sourced because his source (https://www.rri.co.id/internasional/752779/damaikan-israel-palestina-prabowo-dukung-two-state-solution) doesn't even state that Indonesia has recognized Israel now or if an embassy is established with a Charge d'affaires A.I appointed. The first time he did this, both articles were protected for a week. Today he is here again doing the same thing. If you look at his contributions, you can see that he has vandalized a number of articles by adding Israel having a representative office in Tunisia or a commercial office in Oman, as well as the UK having a consulate-general in George Town, Malaysia, without a single source. He (and I) broke the 3-revert rule in June, and he doesn't want to discuss the topic at hand in the talk page. I don't want to break the 3-revert rule again which brings me here on why I want to ask this question. How can I request an administrator to block this user? [[User:Underdwarf58|Underdwarf58]] ([[User talk:Underdwarf58|talk]]) 12:55, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Underdwarf58|Underdwarf58]] and welcome to the Teahouse. IPs can be taken to [[WP:ANI]], just like users with accounts, and the procedure is the same; just read and follow the instructions at the top. Be sure to include links to some of their disruptive edits. If they're using a range of IP addesses, include that in the report so a wider block can be imposed if necessary. [[Special:Contributions/57.140.16.8|57.140.16.8]] ([[User talk:57.140.16.8|talk]]) 13:55, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

== Would it be Ok to ask to delete a redirect so I can make an article through Afc? ==

If I wanted to submit an article through Afc as a technically different page from a redirect that occupies its place, then would I be allowed to ask for the redirect to be deleted? [[User:Abdullah raji|Abdullah raji]] ([[User talk:Abdullah raji|talk]]) 14:48, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Abdullah raji|Abdullah raji]]: Welcome to the Teahouse! Assuming your draft is accepted, the reviewer will take care of all that, requesting deletion as needed. Until then, there's no need to delete the redirect. I hope this helps, and happy editing! [[User:Bsoyka|<span style="color:#fff;background:#055;padding:.2em">'''Bsoyka'''</span>]] (<i>[[User talk:Bsoyka|t]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Bsoyka|c]] &bull; [[User:Bsoyka/Guestbook|g]]</i>) 14:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:Abdullah raji|Abdullah raji]] ([[User talk:Abdullah raji|talk]]) 15:49, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

== Cite error ==

I saw the error '''Cite error: There are''' <code><nowiki><ref group=lower-alpha></nowiki></code> '''tags or''' <code><nowiki>{{efn}}</nowiki></code> '''templates on this page, but the references will not show without a''' <code><nowiki>{{reflist|group=lower-alpha}}</nowiki></code> '''template or''' <code><nowiki>{{notelist}}</nowiki></code> '''template''' at the bottom of the [[Withdrawal of Lyndon B. Johnson from the 1968 United States presidential election]] page. I'm confused with the help page and don't know how to fix it. [[User:FloridaMan21|FloridaMan21]] ([[User talk:FloridaMan21|talk]]) 17:10, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
:In [[Special:Diff/1236624161]], [[User:ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter]] added a note to the article using an {{tq|efn}} template, but did not add a {{tl|notelist}} at the bottom to contain the note. I have fixed this. [[User:CodeTalker|CodeTalker]] ([[User talk:CodeTalker|talk]]) 17:46, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
:I too have been confused by that help page. Through exploration of articles using the template and trial and error, I learned that if an ''efn'' tag is used in the body of the article, you must add to the bottom of the article body the ''notelist'' tag in order for it to work properly. I am not an expert, but I hope that this information helps you to understand. [[User:Al Begamut|Al Begamut]] ([[User talk:Al Begamut|talk]]) 17:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

== What does CTOPs mean? ==

I have requested for article protections before, and sometimes an admin would say "Semi-protected indefinately, or Extended-Confirmed-protected" followed by "Will log as a CTOPS action". what does '''CTOPS''' mean? [[Special:Contributions/74.14.6.233|74.14.6.233]] ([[User talk:74.14.6.233|talk]]) 17:57, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
:CTOPS is shorthand for [[Wikipedia:Contentious topics]]. These topics have editing restrictions to prevent disruption. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 18:03, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
:When you see an unfamiliar acronym on Wikipedia, you can often find a page about it by searching for the acronym prefixed with "WP:", like this [[WP:CTOPS]]. [[User:CodeTalker|CodeTalker]] ([[User talk:CodeTalker|talk]]) 18:04, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
{{glossary term|Contentious topic|contentious topic}}
: And often at the Wikipedia glossary. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 05:36, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

== Eseteka danji haranda Fuso Nawajiu Sunaxaranja? ==

Tanji an Minna no Rasanji dan Tengoku (tusu Minna no Rhythm Tengoku) Saxarana Xi Qiunji tsunkanaxu Tarananku (Dekahanutsu Karinji hebo turu) Sana Senjenji janji Karanji? (Sana ken tsuko rexaqinji ba tuso) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:QeedVann|QeedVann]] ([[User talk:QeedVann#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/QeedVann|contribs]]) 18:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:This is the English language Wikipedia. We cannot help you in other languages and Google Translate cannot make sense of what you wrote. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 18:53, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
::Based on their past edits, I would imagine that this is some form of [[conlang]]. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 19:40, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
:::[[Google Translate]] recognises the language as [[Kanuri language|Kanuri]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 12:17, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
:::GPT said:

The text appears to be a mix of phonetic spellings and transliterations of Japanese words, along with some invented or distorted phrases. Here’s an attempt to identify and decipher it:

Eseteka danji haranda Fuso Nawajiu Sunaxaranja?

Eseteka danji haranda: This seems to be gibberish.
Fuso Nawajiu: Phonetic distortion of "Fuso Nawajiu" could mean "Fuso" (a term for Japan) and "Nawajiu" which might be "Nintendo" in a distorted form.
Sunaxaranja?: This doesn’t correspond directly to Japanese but might be distorted or creative.
Tanji an Minna no Rasanji dan Tengoku (tusu Minna no Rhythm Tengoku)

Minna no Rhythm Tengoku: This is "Rhythm Heaven" or "Rhythm Paradise" (a Nintendo game series).
Saxarana Xi Qiunji tsunkanaxu Tarananku (Dekahanutsu Karinji hebo turu)

Saxarana Xi: Could be "Sakurai-san" (a common name).
Qiunji: Could be "Kiyuuji" but doesn’t fit well with standard names or terms.
tsunkanaxu Tarananku: Seems nonsensical.
Dekahanutsu Karinji hebo turu: Might be trying to say "Dekahane Tsu Karinji" (possibly referring to something large or grand, with "Karinji" being unclear).
Sana Senjenji janji Karanji? (Sana ken tsuko rexaqinji ba tuso)

Sana Senjenji janji Karanji?: Seems nonsensical.
Sana ken tsuko rexaqinji ba tuso: Also nonsensical.
Overall, the text is a playful or distorted use of Japanese phonetics combined with some recognizably Japanese words, particularly related to "Rhythm Heaven." It seems like the text is not meant to be taken as a standard language but rather a creative or playful usage.
[[User:Al Begamut|Al Begamut]] ([[User talk:Al Begamut|talk]]) 17:27, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

==freedom fighter==
Add [[Freedom fighter]] in Add to wikidata [[:d:Q30242234]]. [[Special:Contributions/103.66.169.7|103.66.169.7]] ([[User talk:103.66.169.7|talk]]) 19:30, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

:Yes, well spotted. I see that you have commented on the Talk Page of Wikidata. The Wikidata page is locked, so I can't add the link but hopefully someone with the correct level of authority will do so. There is a template [[:wikidata:Template:Edit request]] that will draw attention to your suggestion. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 20:53, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

{{done}}. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 12:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

== Image placement ==

MY IMAGES won't be supported [[User:5tgiilytyjn2|5tgiilytyjn2]] ([[User talk:5tgiilytyjn2|talk]]) 19:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:5tgiilytyjn2|5tgiilytyjn2]] You have not added any images to our sister project, Wikimedia Commons. Can you please be more specific about what you are trying to do and what error messages you are getting? [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 20:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{U|5tgiilytyjn2}}, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Second_generation_of_video_game_consoles&diff=prev&oldid=1236837865 this] is your most recent edit to en:Wikipedia. Perhaps you might put more effort into intelligible, constructive text before you attempt anything involving images? -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 21:29, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

::[https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchUser=5tgiilytyjn2 An automatic filter] stopped you from uploading the images. It looks like you are trying to upload images about video games; please note that screenshots or images of packaging are usually copyrighted and can't be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. [[User:MKFI|MKFI]] ([[User talk:MKFI|talk]]) 08:06, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

== In General ==
I'm curious about how the fact checking gets done on this site and what is the process of making sure you didnt misdirect yourself when researching? Ex) current event or political events were their are equal justification on both sides

I do a lot of reading to get a general view of a subject how can I know that it is being framed correctly on Wikipedia? [[Special:Contributions/68.134.242.224|68.134.242.224]] ([[User talk:68.134.242.224|talk]]) 21:53, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

:Hello. It's up to you to examine the sources provided in an article, both to see if they are summarized accurately with a [[WP:NPOV|neutral point of view]] and for you to judge them for yourself in determining what to believe. Wikipedia does not claim that what is presented is the truth, only that it is verifiable(see [[WP:TRUTH]]). Wikipedia makes [[Wikipedia:General disclaimer|no guarantees of validity]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 22:07, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
::Look at the Talk pages of articles to see past and ongoing disputes about content and referencing. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 03:12, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
:I would also add the point that it would be reasonable and even best to present both sides of any moderately disputed matter, to avoid neutrality issues in the Wikipedia article. [[User:Al Begamut|Al Begamut]] ([[User talk:Al Begamut|talk]]) 17:31, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

== Myles Moylan - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myles_Moylan ==

Hi, I want to add the following YouTube link as a source to verify that Myles Moylan was born in Tuam, Co. Galway rather than Amesbury, MA but I don't know how to do it. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPB13rEchfk&t=1520s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPB13rEchfk&t=1520s [[User:BuffyO&#39;B|BuffyO&#39;B]] ([[User talk:BuffyO&#39;B|talk]]) 22:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

:Hello. To be honest, [[WP:RSPYT|YouTube is not considered a reliable source]]. If you want to know more about reliable sources, you can view [[WP:RS|our policy here]] or have a look at [[WP:RSP|some reliable sources here]]. On your general question, if you don't how to add a citation, you can look at the [[Help:Referencing for beginners|referencing for beginners]]. [[User:Meltdown reverter|<span style="color:red;">'''Meltdown'''</span> <span style="color:orange;">'''reverter'''</span>]] [[User talk:Meltdown reverter|<span style="color:gold;">'''(mail)'''</span>]] 22:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you. It's very frustrating. Primary sources and YouTube are not considered. Likewise with books or articles which are not digitised. I'm running out of options. [[User:BuffyO&#39;B|BuffyO&#39;B]] ([[User talk:BuffyO&#39;B|talk]]) 23:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
:::??? [[WP:OFFLINE]] explicitly says that reliable sources don't have to be online, as long as the citation contains full bibliographic info? [[User:Rotideypoc41352|Rotideypoc41352]] ([[User talk:Rotideypoc41352|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Rotideypoc41352|contribs]]) 00:20, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:BuffyO'B|BuffyO'B]], if you go to that youtube video and look at the description, the list of sources for it is given there. Your answer is probably in one of those. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 00:36, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
::::A blanket statement that YouTube is not a reliable source is not true. YouTube is not a source, just as a bookstore or a library is not a source. YouTube is a video hosting platform. The reliability of an individual YouTube video needs to be evaluated on a case by case basis. A large majority of these videos are unreliable, but the content on YouTube channels operated by reliable media companies are just as reliable as their print editions. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 01:43, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::I'll note that before adding my comment, I checked, and I would not consider this youtube video a reliable source. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 02:00, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

== How do I filter revisions by multiple tags? ==

I'm trying to read the [[Special:History/Wikipedia:Content removal|revision history for Wikipedia:Content removal]], but it's got so much vandalism. I can filter out reverted edits by putting <code>mw-reverted</code> in the "Tag filter" field and ticking "Invert selection", but the reverts are still there, so I want to filter out <code>mw-rollback</code> and <code>mw-undo</code> too. I tried commas like <code>mw-reverted,mw-rollback,mw-undo</code> but that didn't work. I also tried semicolons and spaces.

I skimmed [[WP:Tags]] but didn't see anything helpful. (Note to self: "edit filter" is something else.)

By the way, how do I search for a tag in the "Tag filter" list? I type something in but nothing happens; instead I have to scroll through the whole list to find the tag I want. I thought typing something in would filter the list of tags. As a workaround at least, I can Ctrl+F on [[Special:Tags]].

— [[User:W.andrea|W.andrea]] ([[User talk:W.andrea|talk]]) 00:00, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

== Why was my draft declined ==

I just want to know why it was declined. It was an article on Minecraft Consulting Pty Ltd, who they are, and people accidently going to "minecraft.com" and seeing their companies website. [[Special:Contributions/60.227.148.47|60.227.148.47]] ([[User talk:60.227.148.47|talk]]) 00:22, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

:Please read the decline message, which answers your question. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 00:34, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
::To succeed, drafts must include references. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 03:14, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I'm fairly sure this organisation wont be notable enough for an article, if the only thing to say about it is that it has the same name as something else. -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|t]]'' -- 09:40, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

== Someone please talk to me ==

I’m so depressed and lonely and I keep getting punished wherever I go. I just want someone to talk to. I’m so depressed that I can’t do anything besides laying in bed and talking to people online. [[Special:Contributions/2603:8080:9B04:2256:C863:8A95:53B3:ACF1|2603:8080:9B04:2256:C863:8A95:53B3:ACF1]] ([[User talk:2603:8080:9B04:2256:C863:8A95:53B3:ACF1|talk]]) 01:20, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
:Hey. We love you no matter what [[Special:Contributions/12.75.41.13|12.75.41.13]] ([[User talk:12.75.41.13|talk]]) 04:44, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
::thank you [[Special:Contributions/2603:8080:9B04:2256:C02:7691:C657:5949|2603:8080:9B04:2256:C02:7691:C657:5949]] ([[User talk:2603:8080:9B04:2256:C02:7691:C657:5949|talk]]) 06:54, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
:Please see [[WP:EMERGENCY]]. Remember, [[WP:NOTSOCIAL]]. [[User:Ahri Boy|Ahri Boy]] ([[User talk:Ahri Boy|talk]]) 05:16, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
::I’m sorry, I wasn’t feeling very good when I posted this. Truth is, I‘m not in an emergency and I physically can’t be on most social media platforms for one reason or another. [[Special:Contributions/2603:8080:9B04:2256:C02:7691:C657:5949|2603:8080:9B04:2256:C02:7691:C657:5949]] ([[User talk:2603:8080:9B04:2256:C02:7691:C657:5949|taeither lk]]) 06:56, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I feel for you, but please keep in mind that Wikipedia is neither a social media platform nor an online therapy session. It is a project to build an encyclopedia, nothing more and nothing less. Many editors with a wide variety of mental health issues are able to contribute productively because they do not let their issues derail their positive contributions. I hope that you can follow a similar path. Please do so. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 10:07, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
::::…I’ll try [[Special:Contributions/2603:8080:9B04:2256:CC9E:2078:720C:DB9A|2603:8080:9B04:2256:CC9E:2078:720C:DB9A]] ([[User talk:2603:8080:9B04:2256:CC9E:2078:720C:DB9A|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::I recommend creating an account to contribute. This will help build your editing journey. [[User:Ahri Boy|Ahri Boy]] ([[User talk:Ahri Boy|talk]]) 11:46, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::Agreed; especially if you want someone to talk with you about something, an IP-only "account" here is prone to reassignment and would make it difficult for you to ensure you can see any such communication. [[User:Al Begamut|Al Begamut]] ([[User talk:Al Begamut|talk]]) 17:33, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

== Articles not appearing on search engines ==

Hello everyone,

I have noticed that two articles I have created, [[Subhūticandra]] and [[Vāgīśvarakīrti]], are yet to appear on Google search results. If possible could these be re-reviewed so that they could start to appear on search engine results?

Thanks [[User:Ixudi|Ixudi]] ([[User talk:Ixudi|talk]]) 11:25, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Ixudi|Ixudi]] articles will be indexed by search engines (such as Google) when they are marked as reviewed by a [[WP:NPP|new page patroller]] or when 90 days have passed since its creation. Please be patient; there are over 15 thousand unreviewed articles in the queue. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]])</span> 11:29, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Ixudi|Ixudi]] Ok, so here's the process for making an article straight into mainspace. If you do that, you either have to wait 90 days or have a [[WP:NPP|New Page Patroller]] come along and review your articles in order to have them appear on Google searches.
:The alternative is that you [[WP:MOVE|move]] the articles to a [[WP:DRAFTIFY|draft]] state in order to get them reviewed through [[WP:AFC|articles for creation]]. You'd also be looking at a long wait there, as articles can take up to three months to be reviewed through AFC. [[User:CommissarDoggo|<b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b>]]''[[User talk:CommissarDoggo|<sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup>]]'' 11:31, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

== Status quo ==

Why only one album of Status quo appears at heavy metal year by year at 1972 ONLY? [[Special:Contributions/37.6.127.100|37.6.127.100]] ([[User talk:37.6.127.100|talk]]) 16:21, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

:Could you phrase your question a bit clearer? What article are we talking about, specifically? -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|t]]'' -- 17:03, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
:If you're asking why a a [[Status Quo (band)]] album is on [[1972 in heavy metal music]] but their albums aren't in not in other "[year] in heavy metal music" articles, it could be a variety of reasons. It could be [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] don't consider the other albums to be in the heavy metal genre. It could be that [[Piledriver (album)]] is in the 1972 page by mistake. It could be that there ''are'' reliable sources, but no one's gotten around to adding the other albums to the other pages. [[User:Rotideypoc41352|Rotideypoc41352]] ([[User talk:Rotideypoc41352|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Rotideypoc41352|contribs]]) 23:00, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
::For what little it's worth, I have been a fan of heavy metal since 1970, and also like Status Quo, but I would never have characterised any of their albums, including Piledriver, as heavy metal. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.2.67.235|94.2.67.235]] ([[User talk:94.2.67.235|talk]]) 00:48, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
:::There is no mention of heavy metal in [[Status Quo (band)]] or [[Piledriver (album)]]. I didn't find support with a Google search so I have removed it.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1972_in_heavy_metal_music&diff=prev&oldid=1237147108] It was added in a confused IP edit which placed it in the column headers.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1972_in_heavy_metal_music&diff=prev&oldid=546541477] [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 10:31, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

== my new article ==

I have posted [[Draft:List of breakaway republics during the dissolution of the USSR]] for review, It contains mostly countries from the [[Post-soviet states]] article but the requester of the article has posted a link for [[Karachay-Cherkessia]] which has various secessionist entities, But don't have a single source that i can find! what do i do, do i include above entities without citation?? [[User:Scratchinghead|Scratchinghead]] ([[User talk:Scratchinghead|talk]]) 16:56, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Scratchinghead|Scratchinghead]] Forgetting for one moment the actual subject matter, and talking in generalities: it's OK to add a Wikipedia article to a List article if it can be proven to meet the criteria of said list. To meet that, the criterion either has to be mentioned in the Wikipedia article, or a citation has to be supplied within the List article to allow anyone to [[WP:V|VERIFY]] that its inclusion is valid.
:Failing any evidence to support inclusion, I would advise leaving it out. The fact that someone has asked you to include it, without being able to demonstrate the validity of that inclusion should be grounds enough to leave it out. Once your List article has been reviewed and accepted, you could always post on its talk page your desire to include it once evidence to support inclusion surfaces. It might encourage others to look for such sources. It is, in my view, unwise to include anything in an article or List page simply because someone else says it should be. [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 18:55, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
::Ok... I did realise that
::But then, the person who posted an article request (he didn't ask me, i fulfilled it out of boredom) has ONLY posted the article [[Karachay-Cherkessia]]. He hasn't posted [[Post-Soviet states]] which i'm pretty sure contains 90% of all significant entries. There must be something about that article which can be proved?
::However i can't find any sources.... This was my dilemma. [[User:Scratchinghead|Scratchinghead]] ([[User talk:Scratchinghead|talk]]) 15:22, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

== how do i submit an article on myself ==

how do i submit an article on myself [[User:William Martin Boyce|William Martin Boyce]] ([[User talk:William Martin Boyce|talk]]) 17:21, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
:Creating an autobiography is ''strongly'' discouraged – please see our [[Wikipedia:Autobiography|guideline on writing autobiographies]]. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 17:28, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:William Martin Boyce|William Martin Boyce]] To quote from the link just given to you, ''"If your life and achievements are verifiable and genuinely notable, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later, but creating an article about yourself is strongly discouraged: we want biographies here, not autobiographies"''
:The notability criteria that have to be met for a person to have a Wikipedia article about them can be read [[WP:NBIO|HERE]]. A quick search on Google [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22william+martin+boyce%22 yielded a few results] about deceased people called 'William Martin Boyce', but nothing in the first few pages of an extant one by that name. Without sounding rude, you might wish to supply us with links or references to sources that ''have about you'' and we could assess whether or not you would be likely to meet our notability criteria for inclusion in this encyclopaedia. Exclusion from Wikipedia is not a sign of failure in life, [[WP:ABOUTME|nor is inclusion always a good idea]]. Regards, [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 19:06, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

== hey ROBLOX my account was hacked ==

hey ROBLOX my account was hacked and it was gokuleshan12389 and i reall need it back so please help me get it back [[Special:Contributions/41.90.66.84|41.90.66.84]] ([[User talk:41.90.66.84|talk]]) 19:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
:Hi. We can't help with stuff on Roblox. We're a different site. Please contact their support department. Did you also have a Wikipedia account hacked by any chance? -- [[user:zzuuzz|zzuuzz]] <sup>[[user_talk:zzuuzz|(talk)]]</sup> 19:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
:This is Wikipedia, a project dedicated to build an encyclopedia. If you're talking about external accounts please refer to respective support teams. Please search "Roblox support" on the web, not here on Wikipedia. Thanks. [[User:Ahri Boy|Ahri Boy]] ([[User talk:Ahri Boy|talk]]) 11:50, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

== Can I use a paid obituary as a source for an academic who died in 2018? ==

I see from [[Wikipedia:Obituaries as sources|this project page]] that:

<blockquote>''Paid'' obituaries, or those that are published by private individuals, are [[Wikipedia:SPS|self-published sources]] that are wholly or primarily about a third party (the deceased) and which may be partly about other third parties as well. They should never be used as third-party sources about living people. ([[WP:BLP]] applies, in some cases, to the recently deceased.)</blockquote>

Can I use a paid obituary source for an academic who died in 2018? I see that the university's ''in memoriam'' page repeats some of the claims made in the paid obituary, so would that make those claims more reputable?

# [https://harrisfuneralhome.ca/obituaries/sylvia-osborn/ Obituary]
# [https://www.csd.uwo.ca/people/memoriam/ In memoriam] (Scroll to Sylvia Osborn and click read more)

A separate question: How do you use a page for a citation if the actual text is embedded in a ''read more'' click that doesn't change the URI of the webpage? [[User:CoolAndUniqueUsername|CoolAndUniqueUsername]] ([[User talk:CoolAndUniqueUsername|talk]]) 04:01, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

:Hi {{u|CoolAndUniqueUsername}},
:Self-published sources can be used for non-contentious information such as full name, place and date of birth, place and date of death. See [[WP:ABOUTSELF]] for exactly what they're used for. So long as the article also has plenty third party sources for other statements, you should be fine.
:I don't think there's a specific way to guide readers to click read more when they're checking a source but the <code>at=</code> field can be used to direct them to where they should be looking. In this case <code>at=Sylvia Osborn</code>. -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|t]]'' -- 06:59, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you! :) [[User:CoolAndUniqueUsername|CoolAndUniqueUsername]] ([[User talk:CoolAndUniqueUsername|talk]]) 14:39, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
:Can a paid obituary be used as a source? Absolutely, for non-contentious facts, as stated above. Does it contribute to notability for a subject who doesn't have an article yet? Definitely not.{{pb}}D'n'B's suggestion of the {{para|at}} parameter is a good one, and the general case is that we don't have specific template parameters for how to access information in a cited source. For complicated situations, instructions can be left after the citation template but within the {{tag|ref}} tags. Most are like "search for X" or "click Y", but I've seen instructions as complex as "select Z from dropdown 1, select W from dropdown 2, select the top radio button for variable 3, etc. ... submit". We should be able to rely on readers to try to find information in cited sources on their own if they've gone through the trouble of clicking through, but I've also seen editors tag sources {{tl|failed verification}} because the information wasn't immediately visible without interacting with the source website in any way, so it's a judgement call. [[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]] ([[User talk:Folly Mox|talk]]) 13:31, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you! :) [[User:CoolAndUniqueUsername|CoolAndUniqueUsername]] ([[User talk:CoolAndUniqueUsername|talk]]) 14:39, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

== What to do if a template is unavailable? ==

Hey, hi, hello, hi. So, I'm looking at translating some pages to swedish, and a common theme i find is this error/warning saying "Template unavailable". what do You do in these cases? [[User:Miyunya|Miyunya]] ([[User talk:Miyunya|talk]]) 12:15, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:Miyunya|Miyunya]], welcome to the Teahouse. Templates from other Wikipedia languages cannot be used. Translate the template (helper templates may also be needed), find a similar local template, or avoid using a template. I don't know the Swedish view on translating templates. This is a help page for the English Wikipedia. We have no authority over other languages. Template pages often have interlanguage links where there might be a Swedish template but other languages usually have much fewer templates than us. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:26, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

== Are there Wikipedia tags that are to be used in mainspace only? ==

I have [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Rob_Fergus an article] in ''draftspace'' (awaiting review) for which I used the <code>stub</code> and <code>BLP</code> tags. I see another editor modified the page to remove both tags saying that these tags are for ''mainspace'' only.

I don't see this policy mentioned in the Wikipedia pages for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Drafts drafts] or [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tagging_pages_for_problems tags]. Where can I find a list of what tags are allowed in ''mainspace'' only? [[User:CoolAndUniqueUsername|CoolAndUniqueUsername]] ([[User talk:CoolAndUniqueUsername|talk]]) 14:38, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
:You could try [[Wikipedia:Template index/Cleanup|this link]]. Hope this helps. [[User:Abminor|A<sup>♭</sup>m]] <sup>([[User talk:Abminor|Ring!]])</sup> <sub>([[Special:Contributions/Abminor|Notes]])</sub> 14:52, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you. That link seems to be details about tags that can be added to an article requiring cleanup. It assumes the article is in ''mainspace'' and doesn't explicitly mention ''draftspace'' or ''mainspace''.
::My question is more along the lines of whether an article in ''draftspace'' should avoid using certain tags in the first place? I see that ''draftspace'' articles are not included in search results unless explicitly asked for, which means it shouldn't really matter? [[User:CoolAndUniqueUsername|CoolAndUniqueUsername]] ([[User talk:CoolAndUniqueUsername|talk]]) 15:08, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:CoolAndUniqueUsername|CoolAndUniqueUsername]] See [[Wikipedia:Content assessment]] for information on quality assessment tags such as 'Stub', 'Star, 'C'->'FA'. These are all intended for Wikipedia Articles, and are not relevant to Drafts, as these are not (as yet) proper articles. Give it time to be reviewed and accepted, then feel free to add a quality assessment. Personally, I would never rate one of my own articles beyond a C-rating - at least not until other editors had had a good chance (6 months or so) to assess it for themselves.
:::If you look at the documentation for [[:Template:BLP]], you'll see that this is intended for Talk Pages of articles, not the articles or drafts themselves. Regards, [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 16:17, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
::::{{u|CoolAndUniqueUsername}}. Some content in draftspace is not an article. Only content that is in mainspace is considered an article. A [[WP:STUB|stub]] is a short article. [[Template: Stub]] explains that it should be used on ''articles''. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 16:20, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Ah, I see. I was under the impression that an article in ''draftspace'' that has been submitted for review should be as complete as possible, including adding tags that another reviewer would add.
:::::Thank you! [[User:CoolAndUniqueUsername|CoolAndUniqueUsername]] ([[User talk:CoolAndUniqueUsername|talk]]) 16:48, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Ah, I see. I thought I'd add the <code>stub</code> tag to save the reviewer some work. Your explanation makes sense.
::::Also, thank you for pointing out where <code>BLP</code> should be used! I've always thought that all tags go into the main page and not the talk page. [[User:CoolAndUniqueUsername|CoolAndUniqueUsername]] ([[User talk:CoolAndUniqueUsername|talk]]) 16:56, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

== Thumbnails displaying in negative? ==

The three linked "related articles" at the bottom of each article page are showing their thumbnails in photographic negative for me. A temporary glitch, a problem on my end, I don't know -- standard images in-article look fine. I wanted to let someone know in case there is an issue to fix, but if there's a better place to post such a note, please let me know. [[User:Al Begamut|Al Begamut]] ([[User talk:Al Begamut|talk]]) 15:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, {{u|Al Begamut}}. I suggest that you try [[WP:VPT|Village pump(technical)]]. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 16:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks. [[User:Al Begamut|Al Begamut]] ([[User talk:Al Begamut|talk]]) 17:05, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

== I would like help with creating this draft article ==

[[Draft:Avatar: The Last Airbender - Quest for Balance]] [[User:Ss0jse|Ss0jse]] ([[User talk:Ss0jse|talk]]) 18:14, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
:{{U|Ss0jse}}, ''you'' should start, by writing some (reliably sourced) paragraphs. [[Special:Contributions/27.134.45.168|27.134.45.168]] ([[User talk:27.134.45.168|talk]]) 20:38, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, Ss0jse. Well done for starting with finding sources. Unfortunately, none of your sources are of any use for the essential first step of writing an article, which is demonstrating that the subject meets Wikipedia's criterai for [[WP:notability|notability]] (this is the first step, because if you cannot find any suitable sources, then you will know that there is no point in spending any more time on and article, as it will never be accepted).
:The sources you need to establish notability must all meet all three of the criteria in [[WP:42]]: they must be reliably published, independent of the subject, and contain significant coverage of the subject.
:The sort of sources you require in the case of a game are usually reviews, but they might also be serious articles about the game or its development. Links to sites that sell or distribute the game have no place in the article under any circumstances.
:Remember that {{HD/WINI}} If you can't find several such sources, then there is no point in trying to continue, as you will be wasting your own and other people's time. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 20:58, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

== WikiProject tagging ==

Hi, I've started a taskforce at [[WP:WikiProject Anthropology/Oral tradition taskforce]] and I'm struggling to understand how tagging works. I followed the instructions to put <code>|oral-tradition-task-force=yes</code> in the wikiproject banner at [[oral tradition]] but it isn't showing up at [[:Category:Oral tradition taskforce articles]] [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 18:17, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]]. Are you referring to the instructions at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthropology/Oral tradition taskforce#Tagging and assessment]]? It was yourself who wrote that. {{tl|WikiProject Anthropology}} has to be edited to actually accept the parameter. I haven't made task force edits to WikiProject banners but you could try looking at a working parameter like <code>Philmont-task-force</code> at {{tl|WikiProject Scouting}}. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 20:30, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
::I just used the template for new wikiprojects. Thank you, I'll make a requested edit at {WikiProject Anthropology}, have a good day [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 20:35, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
::Hi, I’ve added the parameter, how do I make them go in [[:Category:Oral tradition taskforce articles]] [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 06:54, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

== Inserting a photo ==

How can i insert a photo to my page? [[User:Encyclomason|Encyclomason]] ([[User talk:Encyclomason|talk]]) 21:06, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

:Hello and welcome. The answer depends on the copyright of the photo; Did you personally take the image with a camera(i.e. didn't take it from the internet), or does it explicitly have a copyright that allows for reuse by anyone for any purpose with attribution? [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 21:16, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, Encyclomason, and welcome to the Teahouse.
:If you're talking about [[Draft:Accidents and incidents involving the Boeing 777]], I suggest you don't worry about pictures at this stage, but concentrate on getting your draft into a state where it can be accepted as an article. At present it has not one single source cited, and therefore cannot possibly be accepted as an article.
:But even if you find and sources for each item you list, I'm not convinced that this would be accepted as an article.
:First of all, it largely duplicates the existing section [[Boeing 777#Accidents and incidents]] - if there are incidents missing from that section, it might be better to add them in, rather than making a new article.
:Secondly, normally articles are accepted only when the subject of the article meets Wikipedia's criteria for [[WP:notability|notability]], and that would require sources which were about "accidents involving the 777" as a topic, not just about individual accidents. Having said that, it is possible that an article like this could be treated as a [[WP:stand-alone list|stand-alone list]] - I am not very familiar with the requirements for that kind of article.
:But before spending time trying to create an article which largely duplicates a section of an existing article, I strongly advise you to open a discussion on [[Talk:Boeing 777]], and get consensus for the idea of creating a separate article. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 22:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

== Quick review of my draft! ==

Hey all! I was wondering if someone could give a quick look over of my draft before I submit it for review. Thank you for your time![[Draft:Eiji Yoshikawa (boxer)]]


[[User:GgDionne|GgDionne]] ([[User talk:GgDionne|talk]]) 21:30, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|GgDionne}} Your referencing style is unacceptable, with [[WP:CS:EMBED|external links in the body of the article]] that are repeated and identified in the "References" section. For the way to create proper references, see [[WP:REFB]] and the fuller information at [[WP:CS]]. Since you cite some sources more than once, note in particular [[WP:REPEATCITE]]. [[User:Deor|Deor]] ([[User talk:Deor|talk]]) 22:01, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
::Fixed, thank you! [[User:GgDionne|GgDionne]] ([[User talk:GgDionne|talk]]) 23:47, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

== Making Drafts ==

Where is the place where I can start making a draft for a potential page? [[Special:Contributions/2603:6010:8B00:44FF:5F4D:2540:71A7:3643|2603:6010:8B00:44FF:5F4D:2540:71A7:3643]] ([[User talk:2603:6010:8B00:44FF:5F4D:2540:71A7:3643|talk]]) 00:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

:Please see [[WP:DRAFT]]. [[User:Ahri Boy|Ahri Boy]] ([[User talk:Ahri Boy|talk]]) 00:49, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
::Registering for an account is useful but not a requirement. Smart for putting in months improving existing articles before wanting to create a new article. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 02:27, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

== Investor's Business Daily ==

Is this the appropriate place to ask about the reliability of [[Investor's Business Daily]] in general and particularly a specific article? [[User:Mcljlm|Mcljlm]] ([[User talk:Mcljlm|talk]]) 02:44, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

::No. Try [[WP:RSN]]. [[Special:Contributions/27.134.45.168|27.134.45.168]] ([[User talk:27.134.45.168|talk]]) 02:45, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

== Adding Library to Special:BookSources ==

On the Special:BookSources page individual libraries & library systems are listed to source the books. I'd like the [https://trl.org/ Timberland Regional Library] system added under Washington State in the United States under Libraries. The library system covers Grays Harbor, Lewis, Mason, Pacific, and Thurston counties within the state.
(i haven't edited before and don't know how to work with protected pages so i'm chucking the request here!) [[User:EndDragon438|EndDragon438]] ([[User talk:EndDragon438|talk]]) 02:49, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

== How to create redirect for former name? ==

Hi, I'm currently editing the article [[Katong]] and at one point, there was a plot of land between Sandy Point (present day [[Tanjong Rhu]]) and Deep Water Point (present day [[Katong]]) designated as a shipyard. I want to create a redirect link from Sandy Point to Tanjong Rhu but I can't figure out how to do so and the article redirection help page wasn't that helpful in my opinion. I'm on mobile view, by the way. [[User:Imbluey2|Imbluey2]] ([[User talk:Imbluey2|talk]]) 03:10, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

:Done by [[User:Ahri Boy|Ahri Boy]] ([[User talk:Ahri Boy|talk]]) 03:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
::[[WP:HTCAP]] would be very helpful for you. [[User:Ahri Boy|Ahri Boy]] ([[User talk:Ahri Boy|talk]]) 03:20, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

== New page ==

I have just submitted a new page about the author Evelyn Toynton. One the one hand the notice 'Published' comes up, but I thought it would be subject to some editorial control first.
When do I hear from anyone about this?
Thanks
Michalsuz [[User:Michalsuz2|Michalsuz2]] ([[User talk:Michalsuz2|talk]]) 03:57, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

:: In this context, "published" means no more than "visible to the public (if they know where to look)". [[Special:Contributions/27.134.45.168|27.134.45.168]] ([[User talk:27.134.45.168|talk]]) 04:08, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
:::{{u|Michalsuz2}}, your draft [[User:Michalsuz2/sandbox]] is entirely unreferenced and cannot possibly be accepted without a major rewrite. It looks like you are writing the article backward. By far the best way to write an acceptable Wikipedia is to ''first'' identify the reliable, independent sources that devote significant coverage to the topic, and ''only then'' start writing prose that summarizes what those sources say about the topic. Please read [[Wikipedia:Writing Wikipedia articles backward]]. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 04:20, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Yes I just have to go back to the places where I found the info - which are reliable and independent - and list them.
::::That is how I did it, forgetting that the references are IMPORTANT!
::::All good, shall get on to it. [[User:Michalsuz2|Michalsuz2]] ([[User talk:Michalsuz2|talk]]) 05:50, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::I did standard formatting. Per above, all facts need to be referenced. See [[WP:42]] for description of the types of references needed to establish notability. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 10:47, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

== User boxes ==

I followed everyone's instructions at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1229#c-ColinFine-20240715093500-Junurita-20240715084300. But i failled.Someone please help me.Thank a lot😅. [[User:Junurita|Junurita]] ([[User talk:Junurita|talk]]) 05:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Junurita|Junurita]] I have added to your Userpage a few userboxes that I have on my own Userpage. Feel free to remove and change them for ones that you find relevant to yourself. Use the 'Edit Source' button to use our [[WP:Source Editor|Source Editor]], as it's much harder to change templates like these using [[WP:VE|Visual Editor]].
:You might like to look through our gallery of pre-existing Userboxes at [[WP:Userboxes/Galleries]], or look through the ones dedicated to the Physical Sciences at [[WP:Userboxes/Science/Physical]].
:Using the Source Editor, copy the complete template text (including the double curly brackets either side). Then paste it in between the {{tlx|userboxtop}} and {{tlx|userboxbottom}} templates. Preview your edits before properly publishing them to your Userpage. Hope this helps. Regards [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 07:57, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you very much [[User:Junurita|Junurita]] ([[User talk:Junurita|talk]]) 09:59, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

== How to improve my article? ==

Hi, I've been writing an article about a speedskater in the late 19th century who has made a historical impact to Dutch speedskating for women. The texts are partly translated based on the Frisian text of Wikipedia page and partly based on established newspaper articles in Dutch from 1974 and 1922 and I have not added any own feelings or comments, just used the newspaper articles text as a basis. It is not accepted and reason was given it looks like an advertisement and that the references are now acceptable. Any tips, how I can improve it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Anke_Beenen [[User:Mmbeenen|Mmbeenen]] ([[User talk:Mmbeenen|talk]]) 08:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

:Have a look again. Would be better to tag {{tl|promising draft}} on your draft. [[User:Ahri Boy|Ahri Boy]] ([[User talk:Ahri Boy|talk]]) 08:43, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
::Ok thanks! Added that and rewrote some of the words that were used to make it more neutral.
::Also one reference was changed into a footnote, hopefully it is improved now :) [[User:Mmbeenen|Mmbeenen]] ([[User talk:Mmbeenen|talk]]) 09:04, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

== A 'departments of France' task force? ==

The articles on the [[departments of France]] are still kinda outdated (mostly the 'Politics' section) and many departmental council articles are pending to be made (See [[Template:Departmental Councils of France]]). Since there are 101 of these, and the next elections are in 2027, I think there should be a sort of task force on this topic. I've asked this in [[WP:FR]] but got no response. [[User:Excellenc1|<span style="background:#26428B; color:#7DF9FF; padding:4px; border-radius: 4px">'''''Excellenc1'''''</span>]] ('''[[User talk:Excellenc1|talk]]''') 11:12, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
:{{U|Excellenc1}}, is what you write immediately above a request, or a complaint, or what? -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 11:16, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
::A request. [[User:Excellenc1|<span style="background:#26428B; color:#7DF9FF; padding:4px; border-radius: 4px">'''''Excellenc1'''''</span>]] ('''[[User talk:Excellenc1|talk]]''') 11:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

== Draft: Peter Hawkins ==

Can anyone help provide further thoughts on what might need to be added/edited to this article I have drafted: [[Draft:Peter Hawkins]]

Many thanks,

Dan [[User:Danrydehawkins|Danrydehawkins]] ([[User talk:Danrydehawkins|talk]]) 11:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

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