Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 May 31

31 May 2007

User:Wjhonson/Shawn_Hornbeck

User:Wjhonson/Shawn_Hornbeck (edit | [[Talk:User:Wjhonson/Shawn_Hornbeck|talk]] | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore|cache|AfD)

page speedied without any valid speedy reason Wjhonson 01:55, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

• Endorse. Per deleting admins's summary: Someone seems to be making a WP:POINT. If that article is deleted and endorsed then this is inflammatory, if it is not, it is unnecessary. Attempted end-runs around policy and process should be discouraged. --Calton | Talk 02:38, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

• Comment - Please be so good as to explain in detail how the contents of that page were any sort of end-run around any policy or process. Perhaps you're not familiar with exactly what the page said. Wjhonson 02:52, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Policy and process were not followed in any of the proposal, the discussion, or the deletion. This is part of the problem. The admins probably do not understand and certainly do not follow the policies which they quote and link to at every possible opportunity. Smackyuk 02:57, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

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notaility not established, no independent reliable sources Smackyuk 00:38, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

• WTH was this about? What possible definition of consensus are you using? Half of your own admins had severe reservations about deleting this page. The last admin to post also backtracked on the issue of notability and went for verifiability instead. Now it is deleted (by yet another admin) back on notability. !?!

One thing this 'discussion' has made abundantly clear is the admins notable, to use a much-favoured phrase, lack of understanding of Wikipedia's own guidelines and policies. Just look at the [discussion] for examples of admins bumbling about misunderstanding and misapplying these. 'Final decision based on the merits of the arguments' -- what a joke! The final decision was not even based on the final argument of an admin, noone responded to MT's last comment in more than 24 hours, and the throughout the 'discussion' admins and editors alike had widely differing view -- there was no consensus.

Another point. It is clear that there is a systemic lack of understanding of the realities of OS software development and free software in general within Wikipedia. Perhaps you should consult some kind of encyclopaedia and learn about the concept rather than trying to delete what you don't understand? Do you really think the figures from sourceforge et al are unreliable? Do you really think gamespot and the like are more reliable sources for an encyclopaedia?

To put it in simple terms: perhaps admins should read and learn (and possibly even understand) more, and judge and delete less?

Wikipedia is destroying itself because of its own arrogance and self-obsession. Smackyuk 00:38, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Completely shocking. Deleted as if a consensus was reached, and the discussion was completed? Not at all. The admins couldn't even reach a consensus, let alone a consesus of deletion. Encyclopedia? Wiki? Where. This is no encyclopedia.

The issues..'Notability' and 'Verifiability'. (The latter only being revealed around 36 hours ago, if that) Notability was, by the end of it, achieved. Verifiability was, by the end of it, achieved. So what's the problem? Some of these admins shouldn't even be dealing in deletion cases when they don't even understand the guidelines themselves. Faith in Wikipedia is virtually gone.