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Dracula Sequence:
- Dominion (1997)
- A Matter of Taste (1990)

that's not chronological - any specific reason or can that 1997 entry be moved down (or is that 1987)? (clem 19:09, 14 May 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Berserker novels history

Berserker's Star (2003) shows up as #14 & #16.

Death

If this individual is actaully dead, as an editor indicated, a reference must be found before indicating that fact in his article. Quatloo 00:34, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gee, thanks for the tip, Quatloo. What part of "as noted on the Science Fiction Writer's Association of America Web site" did you not understand? As a member of SFWA, I've seen the announcement with my own eyes. However, to satisfy officious twitdom, I will also note reference to it on Harlan Ellison's Web site, with further comments by Ellison. Scalzi

First of all, it's not noted on the front page of that website. Second, the website may not qualify as a WP:RS. Third, why was no URL provided to the announcement, if in fact any such announcement exists? For all we know it could be some message base attached to that website, which would certainly not qualify as a reliable source. Quatloo 02:18, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do what you want, Quatloo. Oddly enough, Saberhagen remains dead despite your refusal to allow Wikipedia to acknowledge it, and if you don't think Harlan Ellison is sufficiently reliable source in this particular case, you're a goddamned fool. Scalzi

A reliable source is required. Surely if someone as eminent as Saberhagen has died, a reliable source could be located. Ellison may be mistaken; he is not a reliable source by any definition. Quatloo 02:30, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, for God's sake. He was called by a personal friend of the Saberhagens with the news, a personal friend who is also well known in fannish circles. Your own apparently inability to grasp who is a reliable source in this case is no reason for Wikipedia not to carry accurate information. Scalzi

A "who" can never be a reliable source. Please read WP:RS. Quatloo 03:06, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Quatloo, do you bottle your own "pointlessly officious" juice or do you have someone else bottle it for you? Harlan Ellison, aside from being one of the most notable names in history of science fiction, says that Fred Saberhagen, his personal friend, has died. He in turn has gotten this information from someone whom the Saberhagens themselves have asked to pass along the information. Just out of curiosity, from whom do you think what you would qualify as a "reliable source" will get their information? If the Wikipedia set-up doesn't recognize these sources as reliable, it's an idiotic set-up.Scalzi

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 ::::Oh, for God's sake. He was called by a ''personal friend of the Saberhagens'' with the news, a personal friend who is also well known in fannish circles. Your own apparently inability to grasp who is a reliable source in this case is no reason for Wikipedia not to carry accurate information. [[User:Scalzi|Scalzi]]
 :::::A "who" can never be a reliable source. Please read [[WP:RS]]. [[User:Quatloo|Quatloo]] 03:06, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
-::::::Quatloo, do you bottle your own "pointlessly officious" juice or do you have someone else bottle it for you? Harlan Ellison, aside from being one of the most notable names in history of science fiction, says that Fred Saberhagen, his personal friend, has died. He in turn has gotten this information from someone whom the Saberhagens themselves have asked to pass along the information. Just out of curiosity, from whom do you think what you would qualify as a "reliable source" will get their information? If the Wikipedia set-up doesn't recognize these sources as reliable, it's an idiotic set-up.
+::::::Quatloo, do you bottle your own "pointlessly officious" juice or do you have someone else bottle it for you? Harlan Ellison, aside from being one of the most notable names in history of science fiction, says that Fred Saberhagen, his personal friend, has died. He in turn has gotten this information from someone whom the Saberhagens themselves have asked to pass along the information. Just out of curiosity, from whom do you think what you would qualify as a "reliable source" will get their information? If the Wikipedia set-up doesn't recognize these sources as reliable, it's an idiotic set-up.[[User:Scalzi|Scalzi]]