Talk:Khurshidbanu Natavan

Statue

Hetoum, the statue of Natavan was damaged and sold as scrap metal to Georgia, where it was bought by Azerbaijani authorities. Please do not remove sourced info. --Grandmaster 06:34, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Nowhere is this sourced, you provided a random picture. To say politely, this picture did not give me 1,000 words. Please give text of this.Hetoum I 06:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Hetoum, please revert yourself, here’s a quote from de Waal regarding this statue:

In their turn, the conquering Armenians dismantled and sold off dark bronze busts of three Azerbaijani Shusha musicians and poets. Again, these memorials were rescued by chance, this time from a scrap-metal merchant in the Georgian capital, Tbilisi. I saw the three bronze heads, forlorn and pocked with bullets, lying in the courtyard of the headquarters of the Red Cross in the center of Baku: the poet Natevan, an earnest girl in a head scarf reading a book, missing a thumb; the composer Hajibekov, a bullet-ridden gentleman in double-breasted suit and broken spectacles; and Bul Bul, a famous singer with a serious domed bronze forehead.

Thomas de Waal. Black Garden: Armenia and Azerbaijan through Peace and War

Grandmaster 10:23, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Sure, I added exactly what the source said, and the other stuff you forgot to add about the real cultural destruction.Hetoum I 04:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

How the stuff that you added is relevant to Natavan, the poetess? This article is about her. Grandmaster 05:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

same as what does karabakh war or other statues has to do with this? Also, nothing in your source referred to Natavan;s residence. If you mention one "destruction" you should mention the other. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hetoum I (talk • contribs) 05:27, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

HetoumI - you are removing sourced info and it is directly related to Natavan - her monument. I don't know how relevant general info about destruction of Armenian cultural heritage here. It has its own page.--Dacy69 15:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I removed most of the section because it was a mess. Please rewrite it according to De Waal and no picture sources please. VartanM 18:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I reverted the important info about the fate of the bust and added Thomas de Waal's quote from his book "Black Garden" Ehud 05:14, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Ehud, just out of curiosity, how did you found this page, And why do you think an unknown picture should be used as a source. VartanM 06:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Vartan, I found this page the same way you did. Why do you think this picture is "unknown"? It is the picture of the bust of Natavan with the damage described in the quote from de Waal's book. Ehud 23:23, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Shalom, I think the picture is unknown because its been cropped from top and bottom, and it could be any statue. In any case it can't be used as a source. I removed it and placed a tag. It's up to you to find the a source to confirm whats written. Good talking to you, lehitraot. VartanM 01:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Shalom Vartan, shalom. Ma nishma? It is NOT any statue. You can compare the picture which was initially posted from Ogonek[1] and the one here [2] which clearly compares the condition of the bust in 1982 with the condition with bullet holes after it was found in Georgia to be sold as scrap metal. And here is another link showing the busts of Uzeyir Hajibeyov and Khurshidbanu Natavan in the frontyard of Azerbaijani Museum of Arts in Baku (third picture from the end, second row): [3]. Reverting to previous version and adding the link as well. Ehud 03:44, 7 September 2007 (UTC)