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List of big-bust models and performers

The inclusion criteria for this list is too subjective. Deciding which models and performers who belong on the list have led to disagreements and edit-warring. Epbr123 00:22, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep. Yes, Virginia, there is such a thing as a Big Bust genre, and yes, it's easy to determine if a model/performer's career is based on that genre. I've monitored this list for months and the only edit-warring as to inclusion on this list has come recently, and from the nominator. Attempts were made to assume that his mass-removals were in good faith, but it now appear to have been to make a WP:POINT. Dekkappai 00:28, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Dekkappai has stated himself at Talk:List of big-bust models and performers that the inclusion criteria is subjective. Epbr123 00:31, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I have stated, in attempting to work with you, that it appeared subjective and that it needed to be worked out. Serves me right, assuming good faith when where is none. Dekkappai 00:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Also, these musings were made today, when you were pretending to be willing work on the article. Our discussion is over. Dekkappai 00:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, how big is "big bust" anyway? Far too subjective, and bordering on WP:NOT#IINFO and WP:NOT#DIR. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps•Review?)} 00:50, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment "How big is big" has nothing to do with it. There are videos, films, magazines, etc. that deal with the Big Bust genre. A performer or model either appears in them, or she doesn't. How funny does a comedian have to be to be called a comedian? Dekkappai 00:54, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - How is a big-bust film defined? How many big-bust films does an actress have to appear in to be considered a big-bust genre actress? Epbr123 00:58, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - These are bad faith, leading questions, as they were only beginning to be discussed at the article, after you instigated the edit-war. No comment. Dekkappai 00:59, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - Can stripping count as big-bust entertainment? What is the difference between a big-bust genre stripper and a stripper with a big bust? Epbr123 01:02, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        These questions do NOT merit deletion. Bring it up on the talk page. The fact that you were in the middle of heated discussions and/or edit wars on exactly this point make it absolutely clear that this AfD nomination was made in bad faith. --Cheeser1 08:38, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, recommend immediate bad-faith nomination closure - This is a clear WP:POINT nomination - User:Epbr123 and User:Dekkappai are the participants in the edit war Epbr123 is using as justification to delete this. One cannot both start an edit war and then nominate to delete based on there being an edit war. This is a clear classic POINT violation and the AFD should be closed. Georgewilliamherbert 00:53, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- This is a POINT comment based on a disagreement between Georgewilliamherbert and myself on another AfD. Epbr123 00:55, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - I am reviewing all your AFD activity out of concern for your recent actions, but the issue here is very specifically that you have both started the edit war and are POINTily using it as an AFD excuse. This is a clear Wikipedia policy violation. Admin rules keep me from either closing this AFD myself or taking administrative action against you for the POINT violation here, as we are engaged in the other dispute, but these are unrelated issues and problems. Anyone looking at the article talk page and history will clearly see your numerous edits, which prove that this nomination is POINT. I am amazed that you didn't think it would apply to you here. Georgewilliamherbert 01:10, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment In my defense (not that it matters) I have not participated in the edit war, and made efforts to prevent it by talking it out. Dekkappai 00:56, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete No argument to keep it except WP:ILIKEIT. ~ | twsx | ^talk_cont | 02:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep due to bad faith nomination - this nomination was made in response to an edit war. It should not be deleted as a result of this bad faith nomination, regardless of whether or not it qualifies for deletion. If there was a discussion going already about this, it should have been resolved at the article. Storming off to get the article deleted is not an appropriate response to a disagreement. --Cheeser1 03:08, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Who are we to decide what's a "big-bust"? This is WP:OR Corpx 05:27, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Agree with User:Cheeser1 and, I have to say, User:Dekkappai. It is very difficult to assume good faith here; the nominator has engaged in multiple attempts to strip down the article to uselessness, got involved with at least two edit wars in this very article, and has been on a rampage of AfDs regarding the subjects of this and similar articles. If the article needs improving, then let's improve it. A deletion request -- the fifth one -- is wholly unnecessary here and smacks of him not getting his way, and thus wants to tear the whole thing down. See the history and talk pages of this article for more information. Color me not at all surprised with this development. Xihr 07:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment In the hope of avoiding an AfD, I attempted to clean up the article and make the inclusion criteria more objective. However, the ensuing edit wars and unresolvable differences over what constitutes big-bust entertainment meant that an AfD was necessary. Epbr123 09:30, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Delete''' Who are we to decide what's a "big-bust"?  This is [[WP:OR]] [[User:Corpx|Corpx]] 05:27, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 *'''Keep'''. Agree with [[User:Cheeser1]] and, I have to say, [[User:Dekkappai]].  It is very difficult to [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]] here; the nominator has engaged in multiple attempts to strip down the article to uselessness, got involved with at least two edit wars ''in this very article'', and has been on a rampage of AfDs regarding the subjects of this and similar articles.  If the article needs improving, then let's improve it.  A deletion request -- the ''fifth one'' -- is wholly unnecessary here and smacks of him not getting his way, and thus wants to tear the whole thing down.  See the history and talk pages of this article for more information.  Color me not at all surprised with this development. [[User:Xihr|Xihr]] 07:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
+*'''Comment''' In the hope of avoiding an AfD, I attempted to clean up the article and make the inclusion criteria more objective. However, the ensuing edit wars and unresolvable differences over what constitutes big-bust entertainment meant that an AfD was necessary. [[User:Epbr123|Epbr123]] 09:30, 8 September 2007 (UTC)