Talk:Tiye

Tiy/Tiye/Tyi

My modern Egyptology books use either Tiy or Tiye for the transliteration. Tyi is not used in any modern books I looked at. We currently have her Tiy, but in the few I looked at, Tiye is more common, so if people want to switch her to Tiye, that's OK with me. Noel 15:37, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Israelite descent

Should someone fix the paragraph which states Tiye to be apart of the royal egyptian bloodline when in fact she was of israelite descent? — Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Jthomasc (talk • contribs)

Well, the two aren't contradictory. Her royal descent is supposed to have come through her mother and her "Israelite" descent is supposed to come through her father. But since there is zero evidence for the latter I don't think it should be included. Mr. Osman's speculations are not widely accepted. Paul B 22:24, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

^I agree, it's all speculation and the question wasn't of her, it was about her father, Yuya. Her mother was Egyptian and descendant from Ahmose-Nefertari, so she was a part of the royal line descendant from the first queen of the 18th Dynasty.Taharqa 18:08, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Ethnicity

With this article reading as it does, with the statue of Tiye appearing as it does and King Tut's image on his painted box appearing as it does, I would think that it brings into great clarity the ethnicity of Akenaton and Egyptians at large. Tom 13:00, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Really, Tom? It's made of unpainted yew heartwood. It's just the colour of the wood. Paul B 13:04, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi Paul, haven't talked to you in a while. Re-read this sentence from the main page: Also, in the past, when the Gurob head of Tiye was discovered at Medinet Gurob (as seen on the image on the right), the skin color of the statuette was presumed to be the real skin color of the queen. Also take a close up look at Tiye's image on this page link and you will see that's it's painted right down to the eyes. You will also notice underlying discolorations in the wood discerning her face and forhead. www.homestead.com/wysinger/tiye5.html Tom 10/29/07

I have seen the original sculpture and read the detailed museum catalogue. I don't need some dumb website thank you. I know perfectly well that it's the colour of the wood. Only highlights like eyebrows are painted. Paul B 14:29, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I removed the completely uncited sentence about skin colour. It's as meaningless as presuming that ivory sculptures represent "the real skin colour". Paul B 14:35, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I have also seen the yew-wood head in person, and the assumption is that the original head was gilded, much like the secondary pic on the article (which I took and added to Wikimedia Commons) of Tiye's fragmentary gilded mummy case face. While it is not currently being used, this picture I took actually provides enough detail that you can actually see some of the gilding on the forehead of the sculpture. The sculpture has something of a checkered past, in that the head and the headdress were separated and not displayed together until recently. The gilding remaining on the headdress is evident, and I gather it has been handled better over the years than the head (if I remember right it was held in another museum and mostly kept in storage during the East/West German split). Am pretty sure I can come up with a couple of print references to back that assertion up. If my memory is right will post the reference to that if/when I find them. Captmondo 14:52, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

That would certainly be useful. Paul B 15:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

If I remember rightly the headdress was once covered with blue tiles, of which a few still remain on the back. Paul B 15:48, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Paul Captmondo's image comes from the same source that mine does, only you call mine dumb and not his. They are both from the Berlin Museum. Whether the head and headress were seperated or not is irrelevant to my point. The lower image of Tiye on the dumb site (located in the Cairo Museum) was excavated by Petrie himself who clearly claimed that the Nubians were the rightful heirs to the 18th Dynasty in which she was a queen of Egyptian birth. So it is not odd that she would appear as a black woman, or Akenaton as a black man, or King Tut as a black man on a painted box that you presented to Wikipedia. The genetic Nubian influence in their lineage is evident in both their appearance and experience. I'm having trouble getting the four tildes to work. Could you help me with that? Tom 10/29/07

The image isn't dumb, except in the literal sense. The website is. And that's what I said. I've no idea what point you are trying to make about Petrie, or what the Nubians being the "rightful heirs of the 18th dynasty" means. The easiest way to add four tildes is to click on the icon with the squiggle that appears above the box when you edit: the one in roughly in the middle between the red circle and minus sign. The "painted box" you refer to shows Tut smiting Nubians on one side and Asiatics on the other. He appears darker than the latter and lighter than the former, which is consistent with standard New Kingdom visual conventions for depicting different peoples. Paul B 16:30, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Paul I'm lighter than the Nubians and Darker than the Asians and I have no doubt (and you have no doubt) of what ethnic you would consider me if you were to lay eyes on me. If you think the website dumb, then dispute anything therin and let's address it. My quest is the same broken record. To prove that ancient Egyptian Royalty was riddled with black people that had a significant influence on not only Egypt but the ancient world at large. To also thwart the hateful things that are said in response to this quest through sourced and respected non-black archeologists, historians and archeological findings. It is an intellectual compliment when I'm attached personally or called dumb with no attack on the factual content of what I've presented. When the content of my submissions are ignored and I'm only attacked personally and hatefully, I know that I'm on the right track. So the insults become sweet. You are one of the few wikipedians that I actually respect. But you're wrong about the website being dumb. It didn't work again. Do I need to set up my account again or something? Tom 10/29/07