Talk:Jiraiya (Naruto)

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Page is archived. Get over the strength complaining. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 21:41, 17 October 2007 (UTC) there is some vandalism. it is that it says that konan is on his team and that he is dead. someone do something! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.20.80 (talk) 00:20, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Sennin as "hermit" or "sage"

Within the article, we twice refer to 仙人 (sennin). Once we say that Jiraiya is known as the "Toad Sage", and later that he has a power called "Hermit Mode". I understand that "Hermit Mode" seems to be the phrase bandied about by scanlaters and the popular discussion forums, but I'm uncomfortable seeing 仙人 translated in two different ways ("sage" or "hermit") in the same article, when the context is fairly similar. Should we change "Hermit Mode" to "Sage Mode"? I'll do so for now, but by all means undo the change if you disagree. Please post here explaining why if you do so. Elyssaen 12:34, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

"Sage" isn't a "translation" as much as a "localization". A sennin is a mountain man; a hermit. There is a sort of supernatural sense to the word, but it does not suggest wisdom nearly as much as the word "sage" does.

Anyway, when multiple terms are available, this is Wikipedia's order of preference:

1. Use the official trade name if available in English/Latin alphabet;
2. Use the form found in a dictionary entry from a generally-accepted English dictionary;

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3. If none of the above is available, use the macronned form.

This is discussed under WP:MOS-JA#Names of modern figures but the order can apply to other terms as well, not just names. –Gunslinger47 23:25, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

So in short (as I am WAY to burned out from today) we use Sage instead of Hermit here?--TheUltimate3 00:10, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I think so, until contradicted by future Viz manga or dubs. –Gunslinger47 07:11, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Chronological correctness?

I'd like to know about the chronological correctness in the following sentences:

"As a child, Jiraiya and his former teammates, Orochimaru and Tsunade, were students of the Third Hokage. After leaving the Third's tutelage, he traveled the world and discovered the residence of the toads, a species he proved to have a natural affinity for."

Reason: The toad sage predicted Jiraya to become "a pervert without equal" and "a shinobi of incredible talent", when Jiraiya hears this he gets a little sceptical/dissapointed at the "pervert" part, however, while he was in the 3rd's tutelage he had already picked up a perverted habit (he gets a flashback about it (A. in the manga: somewhere around the 3rd's funeral. (B. in the anime: early in Naruto's rasengan training)... Furthermore, the red lines under Jiraiya's eyes appear to grow longer the older he gets, and I believe they appear longer when he's training with Sarutobi. Opinions? Thoughts? 81.228.148.16 21:26, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

It's just an assumption that he met the toads after leaving and not while he was still a pupil under Sandaime. So I guess the page needs a fix. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.107.131.129 (talk) 23:43, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Jiraiya's "tears of blood" are painted on, so they are as long as Jiraiya wants them to be. As for the prediction, it was his becoming a pervert "without equal". –Gunslinger47 01:53, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Jiraiya had just become a Genin at the time of the flashback with the Third (he was 6 years of age according to the data books). He is considerably older than that at the time that he mingles with the toads. ~SnapperTo 03:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Error in the background section

It says: "Once becoming a Jonin capable of leading a squad, Jiraiya became the sensei of Arashi Uzumaki and two other unknown Genin." And when you click on Arashi Uzumaki it redirects you to the Fourth Hokage profile (or whatever you want to call it..) in list of konoha ninja, and that says his name is Minato Namikaze and that he is Fourth Hokage / Yondaime Hokage.. ~NekoRobin

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As for the Arashi nonsense, this was just the most recent edit.[1] I've reverted it. –Gunslinger47 19:15, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

"During his battle against Pein Jiraiya loses his left arm but still combats the six bodies of Pein by eliminating three bodies with the use of his toad genjutsu; only to find that Pein can revive them." Shouldn't that be edited to read that he's losst an arm after defeating three of them? As it is, it sounds like he lost his arm, then managed to beat them, but the Raw shows him beating the three then losing said arm... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.168.119 (talk) 18:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Jiraiya's Abilities

I think it's about time we remove the line "a full demonstration of Jiraiya's abilities have not yet been seen", because he's been fighting at maximum capacity for the last few chapters with Pein, so I'd say we have seen a full demonstration. Granted, he might have a few other jutsu we haven't yet seen, but I doubt they're any stronger or more effective then what he's used thusfar. 214.13.209.200 (talk) 13:08, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Jiraiya isn't dead yet

Guys, jiraiya isnt dead yet. Well it seems like it, but we're not sure, it could be a clone or illusion, etc —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.201.135.3 (talk) 01:32, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing this - I thought it off when I came here directly after reading the manga. Clearly, the manga had made no distinction as to whether he was dead or not. Frankly, one more manga would be needed. Again, good job on the fixing as that could have spawned a myriad of destruction on this talk page. 74.12.7.106 (talk) 17:14, 10 December 2007 (UTC) Joe

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