Talk:Once (film)

Completely Diagetic Sound, or 99%

Sorry to be uncontributive in this way, but I distinctly remember an instance of nondiagetic sound, music, at one point in the film, having remarked previously how it all appeared to be diagetic. Having been a week, I've forgotten, so if anyone watching it again could take a look, thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.226.183.163 (talk) 07:37, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I think that at least one if not more of the songs move away from being diagetic during the song. Being new to the term, I'm not absolutely sure if I'm thinking of this correctly or not. But many of the songs change setting after beginning, with montages beginning and settings changing while the songs play. Also, some songs start live, and then are enhanced by unseen musicians as the song segues from live to recorded versions. --Melty girl 19:00, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Spoiler Tags

CMB, please justify your deletion of spoiler tags on the talk page, not in edit summaries. You cannot use WP:SPOILER as an authority, since it is disputed. --Jere7my 20:57, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Who said it was an authority? It's only a style guide, anyway. The argument for removing spoiler tags is simple: they are redundant in the places that I removed them from. — Carl (CBM · talk) 00:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Carl, I don't think that's really a valid answer to Jere7my's concerns. Wikipedia has many policies -- are we to throw them all out? I think Jere7my is right to point out that the policy is disputed. Jere7my, I can understand why you might want spoiler tags -- after all, Wiki newbies might expect that no one would print endings -- but it is also true that the header of the section in question is "Plot," not "First Half of the Plot" or "Premise." In terms of a compromise, would you feel better about there being no spoiler tags on this article if either 1.) the opening of the article included the premise of the movie without spoilers, or 2.) there was a separate "Synopsis" (or other titled) section above "Plot" that gave the premise of the movie? --Melty girl 04:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Yep! In general, I think that having separate "synopsis" and "detailed summary" sections work just as well as spoiler tags, so that sounds like a good compromise. I think that duplicates the functionality of the spoiler tag, and I'm more concerned with that functionality than with the specific implementation. That requires a bit more individual work than simply deleting spoiler tags wholesale, but I think it's worth it. --Jere7my 07:28, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Excellent. Well, I'm not sure how soon I'll get to it, but if no one else implements this idea, I will. --Melty girl 15:35, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Currency Conversion

I realize that the film budget numbers come straight out of the IMDB box office information page, but I think there must be a mistake in the currency conversion: €180,000 is much closer to $250,000 than the listed $150,000. I suspect there is a typo on the IMDB page. Are there any other sources for this information? Mrwhizzard 04:47, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Carney says the budget was €130,000 in the Creative Screenwriting podcast, which shakes out to $182,000 currently. Robixsmash 20:21, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, what we have is the conversion at the time of production (see the cited source). I don't think we should keep updating it for subsequent change in value. --Melty girl 20:26, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 19:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Legendary Spielberg

Is Steven Spielberg legendary? I was certain that he actually exists Mrscruffy 18:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

The American Heritage Dictionary's second definition of legendary: "Extremely well known; famous or renowned." But anyway, why don't you change the word to something more neutral if you don't think it's appropriate? --Melty girl 19:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

translation

Can we talk about this? I'm not convinced that we can't include the Czech phrase and even its translation. The phrase is clearly said - if it were in a language that we might be more familiar with - like if she said "Je t'aime", I think we would probably just say that "she said 'I love you' in French" , or at the least would put the French words in because we would know what they are. The translation of 'miluju tebe' is apparently available on language translation sites - we could footnote it that way I suppose, but I am not sure I agree that we can't include it at all, at least the Czech words. As an analogy - maybe a weak or incorrect one, but let me try it - I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think we see any signs that say that the scene is Grafton Street, Dublin. But it clearly is - we recognize it - and our article so identifies it, correctly I believe. I would completely agree, of course, that we should not speculate on what she said - as in the end of Lost in Translation where we don't hear what Bob whispers to Charlotte - but this is not speculation, it's a clearly uttered phrase. Thoughts? Tvoz |talk 22:35, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I understand your desire to keep the info, but do you even know for sure if what she says is "miluju tebe", much less that that means, "It is you who I love"? We need to be able to verify it. I tagged it as "citation needed" for a long time, and no one added one. When the DVD comes out, we may learn more from the extras -- or if you can find an article that verifies what she says in Czech AND what the translation is, that would be citable. But for now, all we have is one editor's original research. What she said was not translated onscreen with subtitles for the audience, which means that 99% of the English-speaking audience had no idea what the Girl said, just like the Guy, and that the filmmakers intended that ambiguity. Even if the WP editor was right about what she said and also translated it correctly, our including the translation in the Plot section changes the meaning of the movie significantly. The Girl's words were intentionally left untranslated, so we should not translate it in the Plot section at all -- when we can verify it, we should probably put it in the Production section instead.

For more on how the decision was made to finally cut this, please see the discussion on the WikiProject Films talk page. --Melty girl 02:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, I think there's a clip - maybe in the trailer - that shows her saying "miluju tebe" - too late tonight for me to hunt it down, but I'll look tomorrow. We don't typically verify words that are said when we quote from a film, I don't think, whatever language they're in. I understand the problem of including the English translation without verification, as I say up front, and take your point about not putting it into the plot section - but that's something else. I'd be satisfied at least with the Czech, and readers can verify themselves. (Of course there are Czech-English translation sites that could do this and we could use as citation.) But first I'd like to at least see the Czech words there, as I don't think they should have to be verified more than any other quote, in principle. Tvoz |talk 09:15, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

And I'll read the discussion you pointed to tomorrow too - thanks. Tvoz |talk 09:16, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I just re-watched that scene on DVD with English subtitles. The subtitled Czech is probably not accurate, but for what it's worth, it says that his line is "Noor-esh-ho" and her reply is "Noor-ho-tebbe" Rossmcd (talk) 05:08, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Whoever you are, please stop

Who keeps changing the budget listed on the page from euros to dollars? The movie was made in Ireland, so shouldn't the money displayed be in the currency it was shot on? And another thing, i had listed that the film was realeased in Ireland and the UK scince november, yet the DVD release section only displays when it's out in north america. WHY? So whoever keeps altering the correct editing I've done please stop it. I have enough to put up with, with Ben.W.Bell changing every film listed as Irish to british. Alright? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.134.54.3 (talk) 21:10, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Please try to be more civil next time; this is a collaborative process that isn't about what you "have to put up with." Your rude comments show that you've failed to read the history tab's edit summaries, where all the edits I make are explained, and you would discover that your edits are not "correct." You also would have learned about WP policies that go against your assumptions: Once is an international article, because while it was made in Ireland, it is distributed by an American company, made most of its money in America and was internationally distributed. Therefore, according to the Wiki policy WP:$, as an article that's non-country specific, the currency of the article should be USD; the policy requires one currency, and all figures are sourced/cited. People are free to add information about the film's other DVD releases, but anything that does not have a valid citation can be removed. Just cite reliable sources and your info will stay. --Melty girl (talk) 21:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)