Talk:Akatsuki (Naruto)

Tobi Uchiha

Since Tobi does have the Sharringon, it should be safe to say that he is a Uchiha clan member. so shouldn't his name be Tobi Uchiha? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.76.123 (talk) 06:21, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

This doesn't really prove anything, as Kakashi has the Sharingan and he is not an Uchiha. --Naruto Tron 21:17, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

ummmm....pein....

We should put up that one of the bodies is dead.....'twas in the latest chapter, proven...--71.173.174.12 (talk) 04:31, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Pein has also proven that being killed doesn't work for long unless all his bodies are dead. So technically he's captured and incapacitated. Should Pein ever get his hands on the body again, then he will be able to revive and use it.

Akatsuki Members File Photo's

Please excuse me if this has already been asked or questioned, but isn't it better to include one small picture of each member, positioned next to their texts? I think this was done long way before but don't know exactly why they were erased.

From what I remember they were removed because they caused the page to have too many non free images on the page. --70.48.172.140 (talk) 00:20, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

~Kudou (talk) 01:52, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Pains Ring

I suggest that we edit the last sentence of the Pain character section to:

"Jiraya notes that the first body Pain appeared in (third from the right) is that of Yahiko. Of the six bodies, none resemble the former Nagato and Yahikos body seems to be the only one carrying an Akatsuki ring."

At least three of the other bodies is not carrying a ring. I have looked through all chapters with the "new bodies", here is were they are shown not wearing a ring: Fat Pain (first from the right): ch 377, p10. Diedara Pain (first from the left): ch 377, p16. Long Hair Pain (second from the right): ch 377, p15 (right hand) and ch 378, p16 (left hand).

This is an noteworthy feature in Pains appearance. It supports Pain being an alias for all six bodies. Finally, it suggests that of the six bodies, Yahikos is the most important.

The ring list in the Wardrope section also needs an edit: "Right thumb: 零 rei, "zero"; worn by Pain." should be changed to "Right thumb: 零 rei, "zero"; worn by Pain (Yahikos Body)." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.181.50.40 (talk) 01:40, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

None of those examples are clear cases of a ring-less hand; either part of the hand is obscured by something, or only one of the hands is visible. You also need to consider the possibility that Kishimoto and his assistants simply forgot to add the ring. Find something more definitive or wait for it to be brought up in a future chapter. ~SnapperTo 03:53, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. Some of those were clear examples of ringless hands. I would really like a second opinion on this matter.

Sure I agree he could have forget to add the ring in maybe one or two images, but there is no possibility Kishimoto would forget to add the ring in 10 consecutive chapters (at least it should be regarded as highly unlikely for Kishimto & co to forget such a thing). Additionaly when Yahikos body reappered in chapter 379, the ring was clearly shown.

Furthermore the right thumb is really the only finger needed to confirm the body not to be an Akutsuki ringbearer (since this is were Pain wears his Akatsuki ring). Here are five examples of Pain not wearing a ring on his right thumb:

Diedara Pain: both chapter 379 page 2 and chapter 378, page 17.
Long haired Pain: chapter 377, page 15.
Fat Pain: Chapter 377, page 10 and page 13.

Yahikos body has been the only body shown wearing a ring. Until there is an image showing one of the other bodies wearing a ring, multiple rings should be regarded as pure speculation. If you like you could refrase the sentance to something like: "Yahikos body is the only one shown wearing an Akatsuki ring" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.243.135.93 (talk) 18:05, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, all right. Since there's nothing on the thumb I've pointed it out. If you find something more definitive (clear view of all ten fingers in same panel [though I imagine that would be rather obvious to everyone if it occurred]), please let us know. ~SnapperTo 22:52, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I will.

Just asking here since you talked about Nagato I wanted to know where the hell it says Nagato is Pain in the manga because that was just a speculation by Jiraiya about who he was and he then thought it was Yahiko when he saw him so why is it written in the article that Nagato is Pain if there's nothing to confirm it and as I recall when we were discussing the whole tobi being obito thing we have to have a strong source that says explicitely that for in that case Nagato is Pain before we can write it in the article (last time checked the rules for editing on wikipedia that was mandatory but if someones can prove me I'm wrong than plz do so otherwise I would advise to change the article) 70.81.129.221 (talk) 04:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)UnKnOwNShInObIdA

Where in the article does it say that Pain = Nagato? Nagato is detailed in Pain's section yes, but nowhere does it say they are the same person. ~SnapperTo 04:18, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Name inconsistency

In the article both 'Pein' and 'Pain' are being used. Please make up your mind and make the appropriate edits. The article doesnt look good now. Survival705 (talk) 14:13, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

At the time you posted this comment, the article only referred to him as Pain. It still only refers to him as Pain. –Gunslinger47 19:36, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Pain may soon outgrow this article...

Or, at least, his individual section. It's becoming pretty apparant that, due to being six characters in one, there will probably be a lot more to talk about with him than with other members. He's already at three paragraphs, and adding in additional details, such as the origins of his other individual bodies (a few of their villages can now be confirmed), or their various combat styles, abilities, and techniques, may inflate his section a lot. While I don't think anything needs to be done yet, it may be prudent to start brainstorming for a solution now. I was thinking a seperate section in this article, or a unique article for the Six Paths of Pain might work, while the Yahiko body wearing the ring remains in the article, but with so much about the character intentionally confusing and mysterious, who knows? WtW-Suzaku (talk) 06:59, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Pain will not get an article until there is conception/reception information on him. If length becomes an issue in this article, we'll simply shorten his entry. ~SnapperTo 18:32, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Ouch. "Information can't be forced into the proper Wikipedia format? Then it's not important anyway." That being said, I don't think Pain has overgrown his paragraphs just yet. Seems to me that none of the Akatsuki are likely to ever get their own article, though, after the Itachi debate. Feebas factor (talk) 19:14, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes that does seem to be the standard now.Sam ov the blue sand, Editor Review 21:31, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Pain/Pein getting his own main article...

Due to the events of this latest Arc, Pain/Pein deserves to have a main article for him, so what is known about him can be expanded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperSaiyaMan (talk • contribs) 16:04, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Soon Pain may outgrow his article, but for now, let's stick with WP:CRYSTAL and WP:FICT and keep him here. Sasuke9031 (talk) 18:04, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

References

Hey all, I just saw theres an incorrect ref on the page. [38] Naruto manga chapter 365, page 11 in the context of "The Rinnegan, first possessed by the founder of the ninja world and characterized by a number of concentric circles around the pupil, gives the wielder access to all six types of elemental chakra.[38]". It should be chapter 375, page 11. DarkPegasus (talk) 15:09, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

If that's so, then feel free to make the changes yourself. Be bold in your editing. Cheers, Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 16:50, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

A nice sentiment, but DarkPegasus would be unable to comply. His account isn't old enough. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:04, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

By the way, i was reading Chakra page and reliazed that paragraph says there are 5 type of elemental chakra(earth,fire,water,wind,lightning) but as DarkPegasus wrote above, in the manga page, it is written that "six types of elemental chakra". What is the sixth one? fotte (talk) 10:25 , 13 December 2007 —Preceding comment was added at 08:26, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Most likely Yin-Yang, since Jiraiya literally says "Six types of chakra nature manipulation" and Yin-Yang is called a type of chakra nature manipulation by Yamato. JadziaLover (talk) 17:08, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

What would the "Shadow" Element/Chakra Shikimaru has fall under then?

We don't have verification on that. We have confirmation that it is a type of elemental chakra since it works with the chakra trench knives. Current speculation labels it potentially as the "dark chakra" mentioned by Yamato. –Gunslinger47 16:46, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Kakashi told Naruto it would be too complicated for him and would only confuse him more. I personally think it's mostly Fire element, but until it is further explained in either the manga or an official sourcebook then it is undetermined. What chapter does Yamato ever mention "dark chakra"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.171.0.149 (talk) 23:04, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Yamato doesn't mention "dark chakra" he mentioned "Yin-Yang chakra," or more specifically, "Yin-Yang chakra nature manipulation". This "Yin-Yang chakra" is apparently the source for things like medical jutsu, genjutsu, Chouji's Baika no Jutsu and Shikamaru's Kagemane no Jutsu, since Yamato advises Kakashi to wait with explaining "Yin-Yang chakra" after Naruto asked about how these jutsu work. JadziaLover (talk) 01:52, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

"Current" and "Former" Members

I suggest these headings be murged. When the series concludes and Akatsuki is both disbanded and all dead, everyone will wind up being a former member and the headings will bge obsolete anyway. It's part of the in universe reference that the header of teh article is talking about. I suggest a single list of "Memebers" consisting of all known characters to wear one of the ten rings and a cloak (Kabuto and Yura being those not in that category). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.130.17 (talk) 04:21, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but while I heartily agree, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Sasuke9031 (talk) 06:13, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Even so, contextually, Deidara is a current member durring the Rescue Gaara Arc. The arc still exists, and thus Deidara is not a former member, just a member. I understand that it's speculation to say "Akatsuki will disband or be destroyed by the end of the series" but we're not saying that in the article, all we'd be saying is "these are the known members of Akatsuki from the beginning of the series to the end of the series", it breaks no rules I know of, and it not in the 'in universe' style of continuity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.130.17 (talk) 05:17, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Well i suppose if you feel that strongly that it does not violate any policy here on Wikipedia then feel free to be bold. Sasuke9031 (talk) 02:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

But try not to be a smart ass about it, I dont apreciate that very much.Sam ov the blue sand, Editor Review 21:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Exactly how was that being a smart ass?--TheUltimate3 (talk) 22:25, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Man, that Deidara-is-still-alive-in-the-anime was a really bad argument, you know. Wikipedia holds with the most recent information, does it not? The anime is behind the manga, in the manga Deidei has gone to the place beyond, thus he's a former member... According to the stick-to-the-anime logic, we shouldn't update this page until the Americanized Naruto anime gets to this point, which, IMO, would just be stupid. 81.228.148.16 (talk) 18:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

That's not what I was saying. What I was saying was that Deidara was alive and a member at some point in the series, so he (in our universe) is still a member. Orochimaru... maybe he could be classified as a "former member" because he does not exist among their ranks at any point that he appears in the manga (except a flashback). You can't look at it from their world when you use 'current' and 'former', you have to look at it from ours, in which all the members are still members and don't exist as anything else. If you feel it necesary, feel free to add a short paragraph explaining the current roser changes in the manga, but I don't think it's needed if each member's entry mentions the circumstances around their death. Wikipedia may use the most recent information, but I think that it also has rules for works of fiction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.130.17 (talk) 20:10, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Original Research?

Kakuzu's article states that he integrates various organs, not only hearts... That has never been stated in the manga and Kakuzu never expressed any interest in any other organs but hearts. 81.228.148.16 (talk) 18:27, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Done. I'm sure he could take other organs if he wanted to, but he specifically refers to hearts in my copies of the various chapters. ~SnapperTo 18:41, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Tobi\Madara

In the most recent manga, Pain himself stated Tobi was Madara, and we will never have to bring up the conflict again! HOORAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -Tobi4242 (talk) 23:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. If he calls himself "Madara" and the other central Akatsuki call him "Madara" then he's Madara. I'd like to remind everyone that calling him "Madara" doesn't mean that we're saying he's the same Madara who engaged in combat with the First Hokage, just that that name he accepts at this point is "Madara" (so to be safe, don't add the Uchiha surname). For those who would like to contest that "Tobi" is just as accepted, I'd like you remind you that as of now, only the non-central Akatsuki members are referring to him as such, and he hasn't called himself "Tobi" out of their presence. I'll go ahead and be bold, please revert and explain your objections if you have them. AnimeNikkaJamal (talk) 02:13, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree, now that Pain has addressed Tobi as Madara, his name should be changed to Madara. Tobi could be just a code name. it already sounds like a weird name. i mean, everyone has japaness names, and his name is Tobi, it doesn't fit in. So i think it is a code name.

Tobi is a japanese name, a pun on tobitobi, like Obito. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.171.0.149 (talk) 22:55, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Yamato is also a code, but we use it anyway instead of Tenzo. For now Tobi is more official than Madara.Tintor2 (talk) 18:51, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Kisame's age

It was "150 in part I" and "31 in part II" since only the first one had a source, I used common sense to correct it, hope there's no error. --XClaudiox (talk) 19:44, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok, nevermind, vandal's work, undoing some edits. --XClaudiox (talk) 19:54, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Itachi Dead?

in the preview of the next naruto chapter, it shows itachi dead. if it is true, then we should put him under former members. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.76.123 (talk) 06:11, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Its a preview, it means nothing.

That spoiler is fake. It appeared near Monday or Tuesday and the chapter comes out in Japan on Wednesday. People say it was made last week by Chinese fans.Tintor2 (talk) 10:51, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Itachi is still pretty talkative for a dead man. As with Jiraiya, there is no pressing need to sign his death certificate ASAP. We'll wait for his death to be WP:V. –Gunslinger47 19:57, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I mistook. .Tintor2 (talk) 19:57, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

has anyone realized this

after getting blown up by deidara, tobi/madara is talking to pain...like he teleported