Talk:Barts and The London School of Medicine and Dentistry

You have a typo, the School is known as BARTS, not bRats, note position of the R, it makes a different word, one that is derogatory!

Am not sure if it is ok to keep elizabeth blackwell in the alumni section because i am only aware of her working at barts hospital and know nothing about her studying at the medical school

Should O. E. H. Wucheria be added as alumni? can't find out where he studied but all pages on him talk of his links to barts

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Does this page need moving?

Following the most recent name change, should this page not now follow it, and move to Barts and The London School of Medicine and Dentistry?

I would do it myself but I no longer have a wiki account. Best wishes long-dead ex-user 138.37.199.206 (talk) 11:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

It's confused because the website is not unanimous on what the name is - see the copyright notice at the bottom and the About page that calls it "Barts and The London, Queen Mary's School of Medicine and Dentistry". Does anyone have a link to an online style guide setting things out clearly? Timrollpickering (talk) 12:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

The Barts and the London logo was in use when I worked there. Sometime around 2000, Queen Mary College decided to drop the college designation and tried to rebrand everything. The rebranding went off half-cocked as the medical schools dug their heels in and sought to retain something of their individual identities, even the associations with the respective hospitals. I don't think it's something that's ever been resolved, but the formal title of the institution appears to be Queen Mary's School of Medicine & Dentistry - never used without the qualifier Barts and The London.

One of the more bizarre things was the separation required between monies; ie college money, HEFC money, Hospital Trust money, GP Trust money and NHS general funds. There was little synergy from shared infrastructure and attending conferences meant working out which hat you were wearing. Kbthompson (talk) 13:13, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

In my time at QMUL, my recollection is that the medical & dental school has been generally called "the School of Medicine and Dentistry" (or "the SMD") in internal documents but "Barts and the London" in casual conversation by the students - mind you the full title is not one that rolls off the tongue in casual discussion or necessary for college minutes.

If the SMD has renamed lately (I've not been near it for a while) then we should have the article reflect that, but we need to be clear what it is. Goldsmiths, University of London went through several titles before settling because the website was not up to date on its own rebranding. Timrollpickering (talk) 14:12, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Tim, there is indeed an intranet page somewhere which makes it clear. I will try and dig out the URL for you. The fact remains - and I recognize that in wikipedia these days one's word is not good enough - that the correct, current title is Barts and The London School of Medicine and Dentistry. This has recently been made very clear to SMD staff by management. So whilst the historical recollections above are interesting, they cast no light on the current story. And yes, it's true that some (many?) web pages are not yet up to date but there is a move in that direction. The SMD home page, for a start, is correctly branded. ICMS and Wolfson are also reasonably current though yes, it is true that other Institutes are not, yet. I will dig out that page for you... Same dead user, different IP: 82.45.248.177 (talk) 10:17, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

The college intranet is behind a firewall and not accessible beyond the college. I based my conclusion on the papers people are publishing and that's under the Queen Mary epithet. Hopefully, the situation will become clear. Kbthompson (talk) 10:55, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Oops. Basing any conclusion on where people say they work in published papers is unwise. It's taken years for some staff to catch up with what we were called until last year, so goodness knows how long it will take this time. It's influenced by a number of factors, not just a desire for absolute accuracy. Nevertheless, what is published on the SMD's main page, as if it were the name of the institution, IS what we have been told is the name of the institution. However, half-way through writing this I have realized I do not actually care, so please call it whatever you like whenever you like with my blessing! :) 82.45.248.177 (talk) 12:08, 3 February 2008 (UTC)