Talk:History of astrology

Rg Veda

I removed the entire section on Rg Veda astrology. I have no doubt that there may be (and probably is) some star lore in this early Veda. However, the author from whom the material for this section was drawn, is claiming that comparison of Vishnu to a Lion or as a "Friend of Man" refers to the constellations Leo and Aquarius respectively. If there is to be a section on astrology in the Vedas, it should cover more obvious data such as the system of nakshatras (lunar mansions) used for ritualistic purposes. As a part of the history of science project, this article does not seem to receive much attention from historians of science who have read the relevant material on archeoastronomy. Zeusnoos 14:52, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was no move. -- tariqabjotu 02:07, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Requested move: History of astrology → History of western astrology

• History of astrology → History of western astrology

Rationale: The article only covers western astrology, from the Middle East and Europe – 70.55.84.153 15:46, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

===Votes===Many people believe in horoscopes

• Oppose. Add the Eastern astrology, if needed--FoxyProxy 23:08, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose. The history of astrology involves cultural interactions, even to China. Limiting it to 'western' does not allow the bigger picture to emerge and could isolate non-western history forks from editorial attention to such historical interactions. Besides, would we call contributions to astrology from modern Iran and Iraq 'Western'? Zeusnoos 00:02, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose. Add Eastern astrology. If it gets too big, maybe we can discuss a separation, but as it stands, Zeusnoos is right, the interactions between East and West are crucial.--TurabianNights 05:20, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
• Support the article is 38kB long, too long to add Eastern astrology. 132.205.93.88 15:22, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

• if needed? Why wouldn't Eastern astrology be needed? That would make this a POV article that excludes other astrology not of the Western tradition, as unimportant and not necessary to the general history of astrology. 132.205.93.88 15:24, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

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NPOV

There is virtually no mention of astrology outside of the western tradition (Middle East, Mediterranean, European, and Euro colonists). This cannot be a history of astrology without mention of Vedic and Chinese astrologies at the very least. 132.205.93.19 04:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Be bold! I don't think anyone is opposing the addition of other astrological traditions.--TurabianNights 05:17, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

With the revised article, this is much better, but it also greatly increased the weight of the Western Astrology bit... especially everything about astrology in modern times, proponents and opponents. It now more than ever looks like a history of western astrology article. It's also getting long... so maybe it should be split into a history of western astrology, and then massively shorten western astrology here. (like moving all the 20th century western astrology, proponents and opponents of western astrology off to the history of western astrology section) 132.205.93.89 01:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Combine this page with other like pages

There is already a Western_astrology page and an Astrology_and_astronomy page. Furthermore, to those who say that this page should stand alone because it compares and contrasts the merge of Western and Eastern ideas, please take note that of the following sections in this article: "Chinese Astrology -- This section is a stub. You can help by adding to it. Chinese Astrology & Geomancy. Japanese Astrology & Geomancy. Vedic Astrology -- This section is a stub. You can help by adding to it." This page should really be combined with those other pages that compare and contrast astronomy and astrology and the history of such from a Western viewpoint. Especially as some of the above named pages directly contradict one another. When information is actually obtained showing how, historically, Western and Eastern astrology actually were integrated, rather than merely pointing out historical examples of people like Aleister Crowley who sought to master "everything", then we can begin to debate on whether these pages should actually be seperated. Banaticus 01:34, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Astrology began as calender creation

from my Poview, the history of astrology should be removed from a dispute status at Wikipedia and organized as an early and active earthly observation of cyclical behavior used for calender creation. Astrology cyclical observation was and is the history of things that repeat, and thus a calender or agenda based science. It is not an area for dispute at Wiki pedia, but a calender observation process to facilitate human agenda allocation through the calendar method. mca5516 12 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mca5516 (talk • contribs) 21:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

African Astrology

Astronomy and Astrology start during Classical African Civilization, Kemet (Egypt) c. 4200 b.C.E. with the earliest know astrology chart in recorded history created by Imhotep.

Cultural Literacy Minute: Wikipedia in articles related to history usually is missing the African historical contributions to subject mater.

They are getting better and I and other wikipedians have corrected some of the errors. The Astrology article needs work in this area.

   Indian astrology, Hindu astrology, and of late, Vedic astrology). It has three branches:[1]

You will note African Astrology is missing from this 3 branch view of Astrology.

   With the introduction of Greek culture into Egypt, both astronomy and astrology were actively cultivated in the region of the Nile during the Hellenistic and Roman periods. 

A Culturally Poisoning Alert: Kemet (Egypt) influenced the Geeks regarding astrology not the other way around.

Later in the same article it points to Kemetic Astrology c. 4200 B.C.E. and that the signs of astrology come from Kemet and that the pyramids were the first known astrological calculator.

Wikipedia is a remarkable place, one of the few where you can find the historical exclusion errors and their corrections on the same page, LoL.