Talk:Pornographic film actor

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ah, has anyone noticed how bad that first line is? i don't think i need to explain what's wrong with it.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.3.65 (talk) 11:04, June 17, 2007

Yes, actually you do, if you want to be sure we understand you correctly. By the way, if you think you can improve it while retaining the content, please do go ahead. That's the point of the Wikipedia, if you find something wrong, please fix it. --AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 13:18, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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this page should have a large list of current and former pornographic actors and actresses. although I suppose its unnessicary, completeness is always good --maximusnukeage

There is a category for that, Category:Porn stars --AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 13:18, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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"Erotic actor" is generally a profound oxymoron.

Says who? -- Zoe

Says everyone but the "Erotic Actors". Why does the modern world not let us call a whore a whore? Is it not possible to be sexually immoral anymore? keep it up people, and the Bush family stays in office.

I wouldn't call it an oxymoron, but ambiguous. Are we talking about actors which are erotic, or actors in erotic movies? Is the term "erotic actor" generally used for the latter? AxelBoldt 23:37 Oct 3, 2002 (UTC)

I feel strongly that this page should be changed to "pornographic film actor;" every person on this page has appeared in pornographic films as their main career path; 'erotic actor' is completely inaccurate; it contains a misplaced modifier with a missing "understood" word. It should perhaps read "erotic film actor," but to say 'erotic actor' simply describes the actors in question as being erotic, which anyone could say about anyone based on their own point of view. For instance, I consider Brad Pitt to be very erotic, but he has never appeared in pornographic films. -EB-

Sadly, he hasn't. <sigh> Zeromacnoo 20:50, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The word "film" is inappropriate, as most porn is shot straight to video. I agree with others that "porn star" is the most appropriate term, and "erotic actor" is a euphemism. -- metamatic 20040719T191800Z

I once again plead for this to be changed to "pornographic film actor" but now I have a more logical reason why. "Erotic" is an adjective and thus expresses a NPOV. These actors are not erotic by definition, but the films they appear in are pornographic by nature.

One man's pornography is another man's eroticism. If you don't believe that, ask Mapplethorpe. ^_^ Koyaanis Qatsi

While I agree entirely, I don't set the definitions of what constitutes a pornograph film performance; that's established by the various governing film commissions in various countires ;) -EB-

I have to agree with EB, this page should be renamed "pornographic film actor", as "erotic actor" is pretty much a misnomer. In this day and age there really isn't any such thing as an "erotic actor" (IMHO), you are either a porn star, a glamour model, or a b-movie actor.

There seems to be a lot of confusion being generated by this. I frequently see additions like Cori Nadine - who is neither an erotic actor or a pornographic film actor, but a glamour/fitness model who appears in various stages of undress from time to time. And, as an aside, I'm frequently frustrated by the entries I see on this page. If we are going to write biographies of porn stars, shouldn't we cover the well known ones rather than ones who are just getting started and/or are completely obscure? When I have to google a name to find out who a so-called erotic actor/porn star is, something is wrong. I think some people are using this page as a means of advertising for their favorite porn star. Just my two bits. Vudujava

Agreed, "erotic actor" is a euphemism and a weasel-word. I suggest "porn star", or for the tirelessly pedantic, "pornographic actor". orthogonal 23:02, 13 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Just finished reformatting and rewriting the erotic actor section, partially to balance the page out and partially to give better information. Comment if you wish.:vudu 00:46, 14 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Residuals and royalties

"Porn stars do not receive residuals, royalties, or extra money when scenes are reused and re-released in other features."

Does anyone know what the legality of that is? I always assumed that residuals and royalties were automatic. Also, has there ever been a legal challenge to the practice?

I think residuals, royalties, etc. are a function of unions. Since porn isn't covered by the actors' unions, performers get paid x amount of dollars for doing a scene and that's it. (This is educated guesswork, really; I Am Not A Lawyer or Porn Star(tm).) —tregoweth 05:30, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)

Residuals, royalties, etc. are a function of a contract. If a performer of any sort agrees to do work for a flat, up front fee, there won't be any residuals or royalties.

Naming

The discussion above never really seemed to be resolved. As a result, we have an article called "Pornographic actor", acategory called "Porn stars", and list pages that are "List of erotic actors" or "List of gay erotic actors". We should pick one term, name all of the pages/categories using that, and create redirects from the others.

Given that Wikipedia Style gives preference to commonly-used terms over euphemisms, I vote for porn star over pornographic actor and erotic actor. Neither is commonly used, and the second is way too euphemistic, and likely to be POV. We're dealing with porn here, not erotica. Comments? Zeromacnoo 20:50, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Porn performer

I'm familiar with porn biographies and porn databases, and imho porn performer is the most accurate term, and also the most use by those concerned.

The term "porn star" is very common, but it implies that every performer working in the industry is a 'star'. Nevertheless it would be my second choice.

The problem with the term "porn actor" is that it implies the performers are "acting" having sex (as if they were only pretending having sex, like in an erotic movie for example). This is the main difference between acting and performing. Of course, they do act to some degree between the sex performances, but their profession is not focusing on that.

"One man's pornography is another man's eroticism". NO. Pornography is explicit, erotism never ever shows real sexual intercourse (i.e. no penetration). If it does, it is rated "pornographic". To call Jenna Jameson an "Erotic actress" or even an "Erotic film actress" is wrong, since she actually performs real sexual intercourse.
Magicstrip 18:52, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree but it will be hard to change now lots of articles. --Haham hanuka 20:36, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

"erotism never ever shows real sexual intercourse"...says you. Eroticism, in the general sense, isn't defined by how much you do or don't see. Look the word up in the dictionary. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.1.130.41 (talk) 03:13, 31 March 2007 (UTC).

POV edit on what is "disturbing" and "alarming"

Article said: "As the pornography industry grows (profits are in the billions of dollars a year in the United States as of 2005), numerous niche and fetish markets have emerged. The vast number of titles has created the need for product differentiation, including, most disturbingly, real or simulated violence such as forced oral sex ("gagging"), simulated rape, or the consensual assault." This is an opinion statement that appears to be added for shock value, and the paragraph (about the growth of the industry) does not really address the subject of the article, which is the actors.

I'm replacing with a more actor-centric statement that still acknowledges niche markets: "While some pornographic actors perform in a wide range of genres, most genres have specialists who achieve most of their recognition in a specific niche market such as bondage or strap-on sex." Frankly, I'm still not sure it's necessary, but it's at least a more applicable statement.

STDs: "However, accurate information about the extent of infection among those in the adult industry is unknown because no organization has ever done proper studies. What little data that does exist is alarming." While I agree, that's a POV statement. My edit: "...no organization has ever done rigorous studies. The existing data suggests that pornographic actors have a much higher rate of STDs than the general American population."

Also, while I did not change this, I find the use of the phrase "erotic actor" distracting because it was not defined at the top of the article. Without making any judgments on whether it's a valid synonym, it seems more precise to stick with "pornographic actor" to define people acting in pornographic movies. Going by common usage among the performers, "porn performer" would be preferred, but "erotic actor" and "porn star" just have too many grey areas. If the article's named Pornographic_actor, we should be consistent, at least within this article. (I would change this, but since there seems to be discussion, I want to make sure I'm not stepping on consensus toes.) Mana Gement 19:54, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

And while I'm at it, "The media" has got to go.

If someone disagrees, feel free to revert, but the last section here, "The media" is a discussion of government regulation of hard-core "to protect children," which again has nothing to do with the actors. If there were a section on how the government regulates pornographic actors, it would be applicable. If this section was on how the mainstream media portrays pornographic actors, it would be applicable. But it's not, and I don't have the expertise to write that section. I have deleted it. Mana Gement 20:02, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Why is the discussion on STDs lengthier than the discussion of what the title of the article is? Is this really relevant? I'd kill that entire section, or maybe link out to articles on it only. It doesn't define the subject of the article at all.

how porn stars get hired

i think it would be nice if someone wrote a section about how porn stars get into the business. how the girls are hired and so on, and more on the details of how a porn business operates and functions.

They go around asking if girls would want to star in a porn movie and that is it 201.23.64.2 00:57, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Most of them that have internet access go to general adult recuitment sites like-

SexyJobs.com or HardcoreModeling.com and put up a profile and wait to be called others take the traditional route of going to a porn (Adult Modeling) talent agancy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adultfyi7 (talk • contribs) 02:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

STD infection rates

The article notes research showing that porn starts have a "higher rate of STDs than the general American population." and proceeds to give statistics for infection rates of various STDs amond porn stars, for example, 10% with hep C. This is incomplete, because it doesn't saw what the rate of infection for those same diseases in the general population is. Patiwat 11:40, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

the "psychopath" section: delete or keep?

Delete.Come on, this is pure ideological propaganda. It doesn't belong here. If "unstable marriages" are a proof of mental illness, then most of the population in industrialized countries is composed of psychopaths. I say erase the whole thing, it's just the outburst of someone trying to prove a point through using a chosen scientific research... without citing any counter-argument --Cosmic Camel Clash 03:06, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

• Agreed. Kill the segment as it is just one study by one person. If we had a dozen or more studies all saying the same thing - that porn stars are all pyschopaths - then I'd be inclined to keep. There can be as-yet unnamed flaws within the methodology... I'd wait to see what the study's peer review says before adding it. Tabercil 04:11, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
• Also agreed. This appears to be independent research, and is likely a reflection of the editor's own agenda. Grendel 01:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Peter North

The article did say PN was renown for prodigious loads of high quality semen. I have no idea what high quality semen is or how (or for that matter why) anyone would know PN's semen is hiqh quality. As such, I've changed it so say at high velocity like the PN article says. I have no idea if that's what the original editor meant but unless you can find a reference to that says PN's semen is HQ please don't reinsert it. Nil Einne 22:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

It's really amusing to observe civilians navigate the porn world. Peter North is renown for extremely high quantities of semen. The person speaking in the article was obviously excited by his own writing ability and went over-board. I believe the trick is to drink a lot of raw eggs...

Pay

Anyone know how much an a starting porn star makes per scene? Hqduong 01:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Try- http://www.pornstarrates.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adultfyi7 (talk • contribs) 02:25, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

List of the pornographic actors with the tallest penis

I know there's a lot of lists on wikipedia, why not another one like that ? I'm sure you can find some good information. 82.240.207.81 13:50, 21 June 2007 (UTC

A local Montreal paper had said that Lara Roxx had been an exotic dancer and escort previous to attempting xxx films. Escorts usually insist on condom use for sex. I believe the loose regulatory laws re adult actors and testing for AIDS in Brazil at that time was the root of the outbreak in 2004.~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.156.43.8 (talk) 15:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

External links

Needs a few model relitive links such as-

RAME.net - (how to break into porn.) http://rame.net/faq/part3.html#xtocid14323 AVN.com - (Adult Industry "bible".) http://www.avn.com SanPornandoValley.com - (Where to shoot porn in the US.) http://www.sanpornandovalley.com/ Adultfyi7 (talk) 02:39, 17 January 2008 (UTC)