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Savoy, Nick

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Dating coach and pickup artist. Looks very much like self-promotion. Is he notable? See also Love Systems. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 23:14, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

• Is he notable? R u kidding me? He is Savoy. He owns the biggest Pick up company in the world. People from all over the world come to attend his seminars. How do you suggest deletion when you don't even know who Savoy is? I reccomend do some research and homework on your own before you jump to delete other people's pages.Truthfullmee (talk) 23:30, 30 March 2008 (UTC)Truthfullmee
  • On Wikipedia, notability is demonstrated by reference to intellectually independent, reliable sources --- typically newspapers, magazines, or books which are not written by the subject of the article or his associates. It is the responsibility of article creators to provide such sources. cab (talk) 00:36, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

• Delete Google search does not testify to the existence of any good sources, just blogs and forum posts --- Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL; Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL; Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL. cab (talk) 00:36, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

• There are a ton of external sources about Savoy that are listed on the page itself. The Globe and Mail is Canada's national newspaper. He's on Fox News. Interviewed by national CBS radio. He was a consultant to the Pickup Artist show (check IMDB). They are also on www.lovesystems.com/media.Camera123456 (talk) 00:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Savoy has a lot of enemies in the "pickup community", maybe some of them are involved in trying to get him off of wikipedia?Camera123456 (talk) 00:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
    • A brief quote in a newspaper or working for a television show is not a sign of notability. The longest source, the Brink Magazine interview, is in a barely-known expat rag which reaches a readership of maybe a few thousand even being given away for free; the Hong Kong Audit Bureau of Circulations doesn't even bother with them. Accusing regular editors of being involved in a conspiracy theory is a laughable sign of desperation. cab (talk) 01:22, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
      • And what will you call to the circulation Fox News and CBS Radio? Further notability does not come only from media publishing a page on something. You have to take into account his position in the pick up community. Go and read what independent sites like Fast Seductiontalk about him. Now you can laugh as much as you want but on your self.Truthfullmee (talk) 02:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)Truthfullmee
• Comment. If kept, the article needs to be retitled in order to be consistent with Wiki naming conventions. 23skidoo (talk) 02:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Just to be clear are you objecting to plain use of Savoy, Nick. I guess I do see your point there. So it can be: Savoy, (pick up artist)?Truthfullmee (talk)

Keep Accusations? What? That seems an overreaction to what I said. Let's keep the temperature down here. If the page needs to be renamed, it needs to be renamed. It's not a big deal. But when you compare Savoy to the other notable members of the seduction community, guys like Carlos Xuma, and argue that Savoy shouldn't be there, that's just kind of silly. And he is talked about on other Wiki pages like Mystery Method.

I also noticed that two years ago in the "prominent members of the seduction community page" it seemed to be agreed by people who were talking about it then that Savoy should be added - check out this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Seduction_community —Preceding unsigned comment added by Camera123456 (talk • contribs) 18:23, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Comment I think the page should be kept, but I agree that the name should be changed. I think he tends to go by the name "Savoy" anyway, not Nick Savoy. Camera123456 (talk) 00:02, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. Note the contribution history of those voting to keep! -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 18:54, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • I wonder if you evaluate your comments before posting? What has our contribution history to do with what is right and what should be done? If I remember correctly Wikipidea has content for everyone to read whether they post or not. And so when a reader has an opinion on something that matters to them you have to take it into consideration and not blow it off because they don't make living of Wikipedia like you do. Forgive me for I am not interested to post on Barbie dolls and Hitler's moustache but I do want to see a page for Savoy for he helped me with dating issues and he deserves a page here. And so I post. However I do agree that the page should be renamed.Truthfullmee (talk)