Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-05-05 Tyrell Johnson (American football)

Wikipedia Mediation Cabal
Article	Tyrell Johnson, Glenn Dorsey, Chris Long, Brian Brohm, Matt Ryan, and several other articles
Status	open
Request date	Unknown
Requesting party	Unknown
Parties involved	Chrisjnelson, Yankees10, 72.0.36.36, CopaceticThought, RC-0722, Cgarz89, 67.137.0.28, Tromboneguy0186, Blackngold29, Star QB, Jayron32
Mediator(s)	Xavexgoem (talk)
Comment	closing soon. Advising anyone to reopen if the initial dispute comes up again.

[[Category:Wikipedia Medcab active cases|Tyrell Johnson, Glenn Dorsey, Chris Long, Brian Brohm, Matt Ryan, and several other articles]][[Category:Wikipedia medcab maintenance|Tyrell Johnson, Glenn Dorsey, Chris Long, Brian Brohm, Matt Ryan, and several other articles]]

Request details

Who are the involved parties?

Chrisjnelson, Yankees10, 72.0.36.36, CopaceticThought, RC-0722, Cgarz89, 67.137.0.28, Tromboneguy0186, Blackngold29, Star QB, Jayron32

What's going on?

You can see prior discussion on it here:

• Talk:Glenn Dorsey#Originally
• Talk:Chris_Long (American football)#"Originally drafted?"
• User Talk:Yankees10#Originally drafted
• User Talk:Chrisjnelson#Originally
• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League#Drafted or Originally Drafted

Additional info, related issue

• User talk:72.0.36.36#Chris Long

There are a couple of users (User:Yankees10 and User:Chrisjnelson) who have decided in the interest of uniformity to change every NFL player's article from saying "was drafted by..." to "was originally drafted by..." Their intent was to convey that this is where the player's career began. Often when a player moves to another team their article says they "originally came from such and such team and now are at another team". To make all the articles consistent they decided to make every single article say "originally" in them, even the ones who haven't moved to another team.

Since adding "originally" to every page they've they've been reverted many times. Using the word originally implies they have been drafted more than once, when in fact they have not. Or it may imply they've moved on to another team, where in fact many of them have not. Several users feel putting "originally" into an article where it doesn't make sense is wrong and sounds goofy, others have pointed out that it's bad grammar.

There has been discussions on both of their user pages about it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yankees10#Originally_drafted and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chrisjnelson#Originally. This argument has potential to spiral out of control (they've put so much work into changing all the articles that at this point they wouldn't admit they were wrong even if they knew they are) so it would be nice to get mediator involvement.

What would you like to change about that?

I would like to get a third party mediator opinion on whether or not we should:

• add "originally drafted" to every professional player's page (even the ones who haven't moved to another team) in the interest of consistency at the expense of proper grammar and fluidity
• add "originally drafted" to only those players who have moved to another team at the expense of consistency
• add "originally drafted" sparingly and only where it makes sense and revert those articles where they do not make sense
• do not add "originally" on any of the articles

Mediator notes

I'll take this on as best I can. Sign below if you want a mediator:

• 67.137.0.28 (talk) 09:17, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
• 72.0.36.36 (talk) 04:35, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
• Blackngold29 05:00, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
• (sign here)

There are a few caveats, both to this case specifically and mediation generally:

• I won't be arguing which side is "better".
• Only discuss the merits of the edits and the arguments, not the editors who make them. If you go down that route, I'll pull you back out of it :-)

I'll be closing this tomorrow, as one party does not wish to be involved or pursue the problem any further.

Then it will have to be referred to arbitration for a ruling or administrative action. There are obviously enough people who would like to see this settled. 67.137.0.28 (talk) 18:52, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

Archived a bunch on talk Xavexgoem (talk) 07:12, 9 May 2008 (UTC)