Talk:R160A (New York City Subway car)

I think this is a photo of a R160A or B. Worth adding to the page? Too bad I didn't get the car number.

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Ok so the tv's are needed so why don't just shutdown the j line from cypress hills to 121st on the weekend to install the extra tv's, they are always doing work on the weekends anyways so they can fix the line and they have the white stickers@the train stations saying R160 when all they see isR42's so why they bluffing about it?Junior105 (talk) 13:04, 11 May 2008 (UTC) ==Services?== It said on this page that the R160A-1 runs on the j and z trains currently but yesterday I did not see any R160 j or z train and the page for j train says when the base order is complete it will run on it,so what is the true story there?help me to understand Junior105 (talk) 12:49, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes the R160A-1 does run on the J & Z, however it is being done only on runs which make one trip during rush hours. The reasoning is that the station platforms on the Dual Contracts end of the el (Cypress Hills toward 121st St) are curved. The R42s being used have the conductor in the between the 5-6th cars and the R160As have the conductor between the 4-5th cars. Therefore the closed circuit TVs above the platforms are one car behind the conductor and he can't see them, to make sure all of the doors are clear before he closes up. Once the additional TVs are installed, then the R160As will begin regular service with a vengeance. (They can't just move the TVs, because then the R42s couldn't run there. The R42s will be around a little longer, because their aren't enough R160A-1s ordered to completely fill the J, L, M and Z.) Acps110 (talk) 23:05, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

R160A-1 vs. R160A-2

I remember that there use to be alot of R160A-2 set trians running on the N line around last 2007 But,now I am wondering where are they or what happened that there not in service.

There is currently only one train of R160A-2s on the property... 8653-8662. It was delivered in mid-2005 and is assigned to the N. Acps110 (talk) 13:02, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

When more R160A-2s are delivered do you think they will go to the N line or another subway line. JP114 18:3 9 May 2008 (UTC)

It's hard to tell at this point. I believe the A-2s were supposed to be for G service, because it is going to have CBTC installed (according to the 2008-2012 Capital Plan). That would mean Jamaica Yard's Fleet. However, there are rumors the G service is going to be transferred to Coney Island Yard's fleet. But then again, they may decide to give the A-2s to E service to continue retiring the R32s. At this point, I don't think anything has been decided, that's just me reading the tea leaves. Acps110 (talk) 21:34, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

When the R160A-2s are fully delivered why won't they be assigned to the N line. Again, I am asking that question because since the N is currently using only one R160A-2 train dosen't that mean that it is possible that the N line will get more R160A-2s on its rolling stock fleet. I love the R160As because of the door sounds when the doors are opening and closing in a station. JP114 53:7, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Why does the N line use only one R160A-2 train? The reason why I am asking this question is because its just weird that there is so many R160Bs running on the N While one R160A-2 train is so rare now. Don't you think the N line needs alot more R160A-2 trains so that way both of them can have the same equal amount. JP114{talk} 2:02, 5 May 2008 {UTC}

The R160A-2 train that is on the property was delivered as a test train in mid-2005. It underwent extensive non-revenue testing during the rest of 2005 and half of 2006 with the R160B test train. It was parked for a while beginning in August of 2006 as the R160B test train (8713-8722) began it's revenue acceptance testing. Once the R160B had passed the revenue testing, then it was the R160A-2's turn. After each test train was accepted, that manufacturer began production on the rest of their part of the order. Alstom is only up to 8500 in production trains delivered, so they have a way to go before they get to the rest of the A-2s, which begin at 8653. There are only 60 cars as part of the base order, 10 of which were/are the test train. Once Alstom finishes the base order, the option 1 order is all five car sets. By the way, the only difference between a R160A-1 and R160A-2 is they are 4 car sets and 5 car sets respectively. R160A-1 numbers go from 8313-8652, R160A-2 numbers go from 8653-8712, R160B Onix numbers go from 8713-8842, R160B Siemens numbers go from 8843-8972.

So their are 4 different kinds of R160s... R160A-1 (Alstom-built Onix propulsion, 4-car sets for the J, L, M, Z), R160A-2 (Alstom-built Onix propulsion, 5 car sets (unknown where these will be assigned)) R160B (half with Onix propulsion; half with Siemens propulsion (differentiate by the sound they make when leaving a station). (All R160Bs are currently assigned to Coney Island Yard for N service.)

Once the Option 1 order begins to arrive, that will include more R160A-2s (or they may be called something else, but they will be able to run together with the A-2s), more R160Bs (again half with Onix propulsion and half with Siemens propulsion). I don't know which of the R160B Option 1 order will be Onix & Siemens but the numbers are rumored to be 8973-9232.

The only reason that their aren't more R160A-2s right now is because they fall later in the numbering sequence. All of Alstom's R160As are currently being built as 4-car sets, which means J, L, M, Z.

I don't think it matters whether the N has R160A-2 or R160B, just by chance that's how the MTA is assigning them right now. It would probably be a headache for Coney Island Shop to segregate the R160A trains together and R160B trains together if they were all assigned to the N. I think there are some slight incompatibilities between them, so they can't run together in one train. Acps110 (talk) 23:26, 6 May 2008 (UTC)