User talk:Jeffrey Pierce Henderson

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Conflict of interest

If you have a close connection to some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Bench press, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred from the tone of the edit and the proximity of the editor to the subject, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:

1. editing articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with;
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3. linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam);

   and you must always:

4. avoid breaching relevant policies and guidelines, especially neutral point of view, verifiability, and autobiography.

For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have conflict of interest, please see Wikipedia:Business' FAQ. For more details about what constitutes a conflict of interest, please see Wikipedia:Conflict of Interest. Note that your site would not be considered a reliable source suitable for verifying information. WLU (talk) 02:03, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

RESPONSE: What are you talking about? I have no associations with the people who own the websites referenced in my edit. What close connections do you allege? There is no conflict of interest. In the future you should not make unfounded comments and let the facts speak for themselves. Facts like those listed in the Guinness Book of World Records and documented with the International Powerlifting Federation. My questions to you are:

1. What is your background in bench press history?
2. What are your qualifications for editing bench press records?

I just saw on your page that you brag about your number of edits. How weird. It's not a real number of edits if you are making incorrect assumptions and erasing honest changes that others worked so hard on. Please don't let me catch you doing this again. I will have to report you.

Jeffrey, Note: WLU was just giving you advice that you MAY have a COI -- most likely because the edit you added had the same last name as your username...he's nto accusing, just advising. Threatening other editors and questioning their qualifications is not good practice on wikipedia, as it is not community-building behavior. As to WLU's qualification and edit numbers -- his contributions speak for themselves. His advice is very useful, I recommend following it. Josh.Pritchard.DBA (talk) 16:12, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

My response is: No. That is not correct Mr. Pritchard. WLU did not “just give advice.” WLU deleted my entry. He took action based on his assumption that I am in some way related to the person in the edit. He based this assumption on the fact that we have the same last name. How many surnames are listed in Wikipedia? Clan Henderson is listed. Henderson is one of the most common surnames in the in the English speaking World! I understand that WLU possibly didn’t know this, but it is much more probable that he didn’t care. Why else would he delete the entry? It is much more possible that he just wanted to reach a higher score on his stupid little edit count, which he boasts so fondly of. You can debate the difference between the definitions of accuse and advise all you want, but there is little doubt of his malice. He deleted my research from the site based solely on my surname! That sir is not good judgment and I also question your judgment for defending such a hack. I did not threaten WLU. I guarantee if he ever removes research from edits based on some ones last name, I WILL report him. Editor’s qualifications are the MOST important inquiries we should be making on Wikipedia. Who are you to say otherwise? I am not a part of WLU’s community and unlike you I don’t wish to build anything with someone so quick to judge and forego an apology when he is wrong. His qualifications on the bench press are nil, his edits are a fraud, and his bench press contribution spoke danger for Wikipedia. His advice? What advice? He is wrong. His advice was that I might have a close connection to the entry. He was wrong. And so are you for being his crony. Why don't you take a stand. Next time tell your cowardly buddy to write me himself and to stop deleting edits based on his almighty whim. -- Jeffrey Pierce Henderson (talk) 08:02, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Jeffrey, You said quite a lot, and I'm on my way out, so I'll just talk about some of your post: first - I'm nobody's crony. next, Wikipedia is not a place for research, but I'm assuming by 'my research' you mean looking into the world records...Finally, WLU reverted your edits (and he said so above) because you may have a COI and the source is not reliable. If having edits reverted will get you upset, I recommend looking for another past-time; everyone gets their edits reverted at some time or other. WLU at least had the courtesy to let you know why, many editors will simply edit and not explain. This is a community, and getting along with others is key. Check out the WP:no personal attacks. I looked closer at your edits -- WLU will leave your edit as you put it when you source it. You sourced a website, which itself admits: "The biggest IPF drug free bench press (RAW) was done by James Henderson at a bodyweight of 390 pounds in 1997 we believe. He bench pressed 711lbs with bodybuilding technique." Note that it says 'we believe' - this is not reliable, and even if they indicated they were certain, websites are not sources for wikipedia. Finally, as to WLU's qualifications, as I've said earlier, they stand on their own -- Benchpress is a heavily vandalized article by folks wanting their name on the record. And nobody must be a 'bench press record expert' to edit these articles, as an editor, WLU has proven himself more than qualified. Josh.Pritchard.DBA (talk) 14:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Josh, It is my opinion that my edits should not be reverted based solely on my last name, and I am pretty sure that Wikipedia would boldly agree. I am not aware of the depth of your relationship with WLU but if you are his friend please try to point out to him what he did was wrong. I don’t have a problem with reverts, but don’t revert me just because of my surname. I disagree with you that our community is hinged on us getting along. In fact Wikipedia grows because of discussion, debate and argument. WLU made the mistake of reverting me based on my family’s name. I challenge you to show me that you have been reverted because you are a Pritchard, and if you ever get challenged based soley on the fact you are a Pritchard, then sir you will know why WLU should apologize. I have made no personal attacks. I have been the victim of one. My edit is sourced and always has been. That was never the issue. When you look at my source you will see that I sourced the “drug free” portion not the date he did it. The “we believe” references the year in which the press was done, not if it was drug free. I disagree with you on websites not being sources. I see them everywhere on Wikipedia. Even the Scott Mendelson record sources a website. Maybe that should be removed? What about the Guinness Book of World Records I used? Is that a good source? By your standars the Mendy record should come down and Big James’ should stay. I don’t agree to that. I have done some “research” and agree WLU has contributed a great deal and his slip shod effort here is not indicative of his overall work. Thank you for your time in this matter. -- Jeffrey Pierce Henderson (talk) 15:20, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Editing advice

I advice you to listen to what User:WLU says and learn about editing Wikipedia. Igor Berger (talk) 08:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Here is what you said: “I advice you to listen to what User:WLU says and learn about editing Wikipedia.” First of all the word you are trying to use is advise, which is a verb, not advice which is a noun and when used as a noun in your sentence, it makes you sound illiterate in the english language and incapable of editing in Wikipedia. My "advise" to you would be keep your “advise” literate but most importantly keep it to to yourself because I am not interested in your opinions just the facts. -- Jeffrey Pierce Henderson (talk) 08:02, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

User:WLU is a sesoned editor and that is a fact. Igor Berger (talk) 08:39, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

User:WLU is a hack and his edits are a sham.

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack other editors. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you.--Yankees76 (talk) 13:39, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Response: I did not attack anyone. I defended myself. Please stop editing records you have no knowledge in. And, a hearty welcome to Wikipedia to you also!

I beg to differ. Please see: [1], [2], [3], (not to mention the the veiled attack on myself above implying, incorrectly, that I have no knowledge of Powerlifting). Please refer to Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Personal attacks will not help you make a point; they hurt the Wikipedia community and deter users from helping to create a good encyclopedia. A pattern of hostility reduces the likelihood of the community assuming good faith, and can be considered disruptive editing. Users who insist on a confrontational style marked by personal attacks are likely to end up in the dispute resolution process, possibly including the serious consequences of arbitration, and may become subject to a community ban. Please govern yourself accordingly. --Yankees76 (talk) 00:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I did not imply you had no knowledge of powerlifting. I stated the clear fact that you have no knowledge in the Powerlifting record area. You don’t. Stop editing in that area. That is not a personal attack. That is a fact. You should learn more about the different organizations that document powerlifting records. You will find that there is no random and supervised drug testing in any of them except the USPF and the IPF. I am not being hostile, just argumentative, which is a part of the Wikipedia policy and is encouraged in order to make an accurate encyclopedia. I am not afraid of the dispute resolution and arbitration processes. I will not be banned on this issue because simply I am right and you are wrong. Since my tone hurts your feelings, I am sorry, and I will sincerely make the effort to be kinder in my conversation on this matter. Jeffrey Pierce Henderson (talk) 03:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Amusing. If you're concerned about making an accurate encyclopedia, you may want to start refraining from posting original research, citations from outdated record books, and mickey-mouse websites where they aren't even sure of the information they're posting; then start listening to what experienced editors (people who've actually taken the time to learn how Wikpedia works) are telling you, rather than making assumptions that one must be an "expert" in order to make even the most basic edits to a topic. When you can grasp those basic concepts, you'll probably find that people are a bit more open and respectful to what you're trying to accomplish here, because right now you have no more credibility than any other editor as an expert of anything - much less of "bench press records". --Yankees76 (talk) 04:19, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Clearly I have cited a published source. There is no OR issue. Jeffrey Pierce Henderson (talk) 12:04, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

One does not need to be an expert on a subject in order to edit an article on Wikipedia. Jeffrey Pierce Henderson you're mistaken in your assumption that other editors who are editing what you feel is your area of expertise are not qualified to do so. Anyone may edit any article at anytime. That's what makes Wikipedia work. Right now some of your statements here are bordering on incivility, and wether you beleive they are or not, are indeed personal attacks. And while I may not be an expert in searching on the internet for bench press records or understand what federations drug test and what don't, I do have a very good grasp of how things work on Wikipedia - and this entire situation needs to be diffused ASAP. I would suggest that those involved take a step back from editing the article in question, stop the name calling, lose the attitude, rudeness, and the judgemental tone, give WP:CIVILITY a close read and then work towards a consensus. --Quartet 05:00, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

We always welcome new editors, and I think you would be a fine editor to join our community. Please try to keep an open mind and learn from others. No one here is out to get you or is trying to be better than you. Please be flexible and work with us. Igor Berger (talk) 09:28, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree I got too personal, and I apologize. I am sorry for the rude tone. I will look over the information and advice and rethink my attitude. Thank you for your input.Jeffrey Pierce Henderson (talk) 09:21, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

No problem! Need any help let us know and enjoy editing Wikipedia. Igor Berger (talk) 09:32, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure we've all done this -- its hard to stay cool sometimes when you're editing a subject that is important to you. Josh.Pritchard.DBA (talk) 13:27, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

The original research is in the division and qualification of records based on a personal assessment of their worth - this record is OK because there was drug testing, this one is not because he wore a bench shirt, this one is OK because of the location and the observers and this one is not good because of X other criteria. If the reliable sources qualifies links in this manner we can report it, but we can not ourselves point to different records as better, worse, a record or not, based on our own personal assessment. My problem with the current bench press record is that it talks about assisted, no equipment and drug-tested bench press without any visible qualification in the sources, in addition to one source being tenuously reliable. Who is Michael Soong, why is he reliable, and where is it originally published? We should be citing the original publication (if reliable) and using the compiled list from powerliftingwatch as a convenience link. WLU (talk) 00:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Talk Pages

Jeffrey, please make sure to sign your posts -- it is getting difficult to determine where you end and someone else begins. You do this with the 4 tildes '~~~~'. Also, it is typical to use a colon to indent your comments...so in this case, I'm the first commenter. If you reply to me, you'll add 1 colon to the beginning of your statement, if I reply to it, I'll add 2...it also makes it easier to follow. Thanks. Josh.Pritchard.DBA (talk) 01:27, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey Josh, Where did you learn this? Will you teach me, master? Thanks. Now, let me test this.Jeffrey Pierce Henderson (talk) 02:50, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

There you go! Now it is much easier to follow everyone's comments! Josh.Pritchard.DBA (talk) 16:10, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Old revert

Hi,

Regards this revert, and the accompanying warning, here's my reasoning.

1. Criticalbench.com didn't appear to be a reliable source; based on my preliminary analysis of the page, it appeared to be a webpage with no visible oversight or claim to expertise. Pages like bench press get lots of vandalism and 'bragging' so I like to insist on high quality references if possible. For some reason, world records are very difficult to verify in the strength training/powerlifting realm. The same thought went for the 'powerliftingwatch.com' page.
2. Based on your last name (and first letter of your first name) I thought you were adding information about yourself or a relative. I was definitely hasty with this one, I didn't read carefully enough (I mis-read Jeffrey as James), sorry about that. You are fully justified in removing the COI template if you'd like.
3. Another point of confusion is the author in the references. Both refs had your name in them (last = and first = shown below) - <ref>{{cite web | title = Critical Bench | url = http://www.criticalbench.com/benchrecords.htm | accessdate = 2008-02-22 | last = Henderson | first = Jeffrey }}</ref> with a lift of 711.0 (322.5 kg)<ref>{{cite web | title = Powerlifting Watch | url = http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/records/600-pound-raw-bench-press | accessdate = 2008-02-22 | last = Henderson | first = Jeffrey }}</ref> I don't know if you are using these templates to indicate you are the individual adding the information (which isn't the correct way to fill out the template if this is the case) or if you are the author of the web page (in which case this is indeed a conflict of interest as adding links to your own webpage is not appropriate).
4. Henderson's record is now justified by a reliable source]], but a citation template would be better. If I can verify which volume of the GBWR it's from and find it, I'll get the ISBN and use diberri to generate a template. Here are some other tools you might find handy.

• • Citation templates
  • Google scholar autocitation, a google-style search engine and reference generator. Useful when the article doesn't have a pubmed number (old, social sciences or humanities) but the citation template isn't as neat and it does not fill in ISBN or pubmed numbers
  • ISBN searchable database, used in conjunction with Diberry to find, and generate citation templates
  • pubmed/isbn Diberry's template generator, incredibly useful, uses the pubmed number or isbn to automatically generate a citation template for you; the most useful if you have a pubemd or ISBN (referenced above).

Note, in regards to some of your comments above, that qualifications are actually irrelevant on wikipedia, and claiming qualifications has led to major scandals including an editor being permanently blocked by Jimbo Wales. Anyone can claim qualifications, far more important is reliable sources and verification of claims. Anyone who claims expertise should easily be able to verify their claims with reliable sources, making diplomas completely irrelevant.

Please also review WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL - you can assume that I'm targeting you unfairly and that my contribution was based on bad faith, but I usually have a pretty good reason for my editing. And if I'm wrong, I'm usually willing to discuss, as most editors are on wikipedia. I'm also unsure where you would have reported me and for what. Being polite is usually a more productive path than threats and taking umbrage. You are correct that having a high edit count isn't automatically evidence of a good editor, but it's usually a middling indication that they're worth talking to. Several thousand edits usually means a good familiarity with the project and the community.

If you're interested, here is an essay that you might find useful as a general introduction to wikipedia. You've already mastered one step - signing your talk page posts, which is very handy for other editors and saves a lot of aggravation for future readers. Thanks, please let me know if you have any questions or further comments; I'm watching your talk page for the next little while in case, but you can also drop me a line on my talk page. WLU (talk) 00:04, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Image source problem with Image:Bighen.jpg

Image Copyright problem

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There you go, JennySuck. Now after I squeeze the last load on your puss, I back hand you towards the door.Jeffrey Pierce Henderson (talk) 21:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

The image appears to be a scan, and appears to be identical to this thumbnail. If you cannot provide proof that you are the copyright holder, it will be deleted. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 19:32, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

It appears to be a scan because it is. Believe it or not, I own a scanner. It appears to be identical to this thumbnail because it is. I am also the webmaster of bigjameshenderson.com. Need proof? Simply do a whois search on the domain. Bingo! There I am. How do you like me now? Jeffrey Pierce Henderson (talk) 00:32, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Attacks

Please do not attack other editors. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 19:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)