Talk:UEFA Euro 2008 squads

Gabulov to Dynamo Moscow

Gabulov to Dynamo is official and has been official for quite some time: [1]

Can you provide an English reference for this? According to UEFA, Gabulov doesn't move to Dynamo until after the tournament. – PeeJay 00:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

You can cling on to your old UEFA article all you like, but the deal has been completed. If the team roster on Dinamo's website isn't good enough for you, here is the official announcement about the completion of the transfer by Dinamo, the official announcement of the completion of the transfer by Amkar, and the confirmation that the transfer has been completed by Sport Express, Russia's biggest sports media outlet.

Netherlands

Marco van Basten has named his provisional squad: [2]. I'll try to get round to adding the squad here soon, but if someone else wants to add it feel free :) JACOPLANE • 2008-05-6 20:13

Done. – PeeJay 22:01, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks! JACOPLANE • 2008-05-6 22:04

KNVB site gives differing information on caps for Netherlands players at http://www.knvb.nl/oranje/selectie/ . Caps and goals should be corrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.140.187.12 (talk) 10:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Austria

Squad for Training camp is out. [3]

TOR/GOALKEEPERS

• GRATZEI Christian 19.09.1981 SK Sturm Graz - -
• MANNINGER Alexander 04.06.1977 AC Siena 26 -33*
• MACHO Jürgen 24.08.1977 AEK Athen 13 -11*
• PAYER Helge 09.08.1979 SK Rapid Wien 15 -19*

ABWEHR/DEFENDERS

• DOBER Andreas 31.03.1986 SK Rapid Wien 3 -
• GARICS György 08.03.1984 SSC Napoli 11 1
• GERCALIU Ronald 12.02.1986 FK Austria Wien 10 -
• HIDEN Martin 11.03.1973 SK Austria Kärnten 48 1
• IBERTSBERGER Andreas 27.02.1982 TSG 1899 Hoffenheim 12 1
• KATZER Markus 11.12.1979 SK Rapid Wien 10 -
• PATOCKA Jürgen 30.07.1977 SK Rapid Wien 2 -
• POGATETZ Emanuel 16.01.1983 FC Middlesbrough 25 1
• PRÖDL Sebastian 21.06.1987 SK Sturm Graz 8 2
• SCHIEMER Franz 21.03.1986 FK Austria Wien 4 -
• STRANZL Martin 16.06.1980 Spartak Moskau 43 2

MITTELFELD/MIDFIELD

• AUFHAUSER Rene 21.06.1976 Red Bull Salzburg 49 10
• FUCHS Christian 07.04.1986 SV Mattersburg 16 -
• HARNIK Martin 10.06.1987 SV Werder Bremen 7 1
• IVANSCHITZ Andreas 15.10.1983 Panathinaikos Athen 37 6
• KORKMAZ Ümit 17.09.1985 SK Rapid Wien - -
• LEITGEB Christoph 14.04.1985 Red Bull Salzburg 17 -
• SÄUMEL Jürgen 08.09.1984 SK Sturm Graz 9 -
• STANDFEST Joachim 30.05.1980 FK Austria Magna 29 2
• VASTIC Ivica 29.09.1969 LASK Linz 46 12
• WEISSENBERGER Markus 08.03.1975 Eintracht Frankfurt 29 1

ANGRIFF/FORWARDS

• HOFFER Erwin 14.04.1987 SK Rapid Wien 2 -
• JANKO Marc 25.06.1983 Red Bull Salzburg 3 -
• KIENAST Roman 29.03.1984 Ham-Kam 5 -
• KULJIC Sanel 10.10.1977 FK Austria Wien 20 3
• LINZ Roland 09.08.1981 SC Braga 29 5
• MAIERHOFER Stefan 16.08.1982 SK Rapid Wien - -

Matthew_hk tc 16:00, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Poland update

Leo Beenhakker will scratch six players today (8 May) from the provisional squad he announced earlier. 26 players will travel to training camp in Germany. Coach announced also no additional players will be called-up. source. - Darwinek (talk) 12:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

// Better source: http://sport.onet.pl/0,1264200,1744997,wiadomosc.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.46.5.145 (talk) 15:57, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Czech Republic squad

Coach Brückner announced the final squad. You can find it at the official association website http://www.fotbal.cz/scripts/detail.php?id=31169&tmplid=1033 . Feel free to update the article. - Darwinek (talk) 14:24, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Why Rüştü Reçber (TurkeY) have 128 Caps in national team. My information he have 116 caps

Why Rüştü Reçber (TurkeY) have 128 Caps in national team. My information he have 116 caps —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.252.18.216 (talk) 11:58, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

They are 114. --necronudist (talk) 12:04, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Provisional squads references

Should we keep it or get rid of it? User:Necronudist seems to think we should get rid of it, saying that none of the other squads articles have it, so why should this one. I couldn't disagree more, as I think that this information is quite interesting, and since it is sourced, there is no reason to actually get rid of it. Opinions please. – PeeJay 14:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree that it should be kept, it's sourced and provides useful information should a reader want to investigate into players who dropped out/were in provisional squad. I'm sure other squad articles used to have it. HornetMike (talk) 14:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Did other squads articles used to have this info? I'm not sure. If it was removed, then it should be restored. Otherwise, we could probably research it. – PeeJay 14:57, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not saying that. I'll explain as I've done on your talk page: My opinion is that this stuff is useless, 'cause it don't affect the tournament in any way. Virtually, an head coach can preselect players two years before, and can preselect 100 players if he wants (Domenech preselected something like 50 players). Are called provisional squads 'cause they aren't Euro08 squads. If tomorrow Cassano got injured and Inzaghi replaces him, well this affect Euro08 squads and the tournament itself, and therefore should be mentioned.

Plus, remember that other squads articles used to have it, but since the final squads are announced, they've been properly removed. --necronudist (talk) 14:54, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure the first provisional Euro 2008 squad wasn't actually announced until the end of April (it was Austria, IIRC), but I wouldn't have known that without the information that you are deleting. I'm very pleased that you've been bold about this edit, but since you now have opposition to that edit, please leave the info in the article until the dispute can be resolved. – PeeJay 14:57, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

You wanna change a de facto standard, so you must argue for its change. Please note I wrote virtually, just to say how useless is to consider it. It could happen...nobody ever preselected 50 players before Domenech. :-) --necronudist (talk) 15:01, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Keep it. It provides a useful insight into the different methods of squad selection used, and describing the selection processes breaks up the bare list. Oldelpaso (talk) 15:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I think we should remove these players because they don't take part to the tournaments: the articles is about Euro 2008 squads, adding players who don't take part to the Euro would be adding some confusion.--Latouffedisco (talk) 16:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Neither the references are, 'cause they refer to pre-tournament things. It's like adding a reference on a club page saying that x and y took part at the summer training but weren't included in the first team squad. --necronudist (talk) 16:18, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd say get rid of it, without provisional squad info, the article seems more clearer and neat. The provisional squad members are never officially registered to UEFA as a team member. However, I reckon injury replacement players must be noted in the article. Moreover, the information about players that has been called up into the provisional squad is more relevant to the individual national team article rather than the EURO 2008 squads article. I've recently edited Italy national football team article and put Montolivo on the recent call-up list as provisional EURO 2008 squad (see Italy national football team#Recent_call-up. Well, this is just my opinion, feel free comment. 121.44.23.153 (talk) 16:33, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

If it's 23 man squads it's fine, if they are 27 man train-on squads I would be sceptical. Also it would need official verification. Alexsanderson83 16:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Read through some very good references and they do indeed have official verification. Alexsanderson83 17:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Are they official? No9shirt (talk) 17:18, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Comment - For clarification, I'm not saying we should list the players who were in the provisional squads amongst the 23-man squads. That would just be daft. All I'm saying is that we should keep the info on how the squad was selected at the top of each section. – PeeJay 17:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

My fault for not keeping up with the news. They are the officially verified squads. Alexsanderson83 17:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the ones currently listed are the official squads for Euro 2008. However, you're not addressing the issue at hand. Should we keep the info on the squad selection process for each nation or not? – PeeJay 17:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, an interesting one. I'm not too sure, all I'll say is I won't remove them if they are added, at the same time I won't be adding the information myself. If someone inside the 23 is replaced due to injury at this point I would say that is worthy of inclusion. Alexsanderson83 17:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Post-23 list replacement are out of discussion. We're debating on references. I think they are useless 'cause they refer to pre-tournament things. It's like adding a reference on a club page saying that x and y took part at the summer training but weren't included in the first team squad. It's not an Euro 2008 issue, it regards pre-tournament phase. Neither they're part of the Euro 2008 squads. --necronudist (talk) 18:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Can there be some sort of compromise, like put the info in the notes and references section? Chanheigeorge (talk) 20:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

as far as they don't regard the tournament itself neither tournament squads, a separate article should fit. But I think it would fail WP:NOTABILITY or whatever. --necronudist (talk) 21:42, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Why would such an article even be required? This information adds an extra bit of bulk to what would otherwise be a simple list of players. It has been reliably sourced, and it is in the appropriate place, so what the heck is the problem? – PeeJay 22:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

If you haven't understand yet that are called provisional 'cause they aren't the article's title squad... I surrender. Do what you think, guys. I've said what I had to say 4 times. Can't go further. --necronudist (talk) 22:57, 28 May 2008 (UTC)