Talk:Five-year plans of the Soviet Union

Well, as the "stub" tag is removed, I say it here: what about Five-Year plans after 1955? From what I know, they were until 1991. Cmapm 09:33, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Also, what about discussing the five year plans in India, China, France, Argentina, and all the other countries that used centralised or limited centralised planning?--192.83.228.65 15:56, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Improvement in people's welfare?

"The First Five-Year Plan ended up being a success in the welfare of Russia, the lifestyle for poorer people improved and it was catching up in time with other countries"

A general consensus is that the first Five Year Plan was extremely harsh on industrial workers; quotas were difficult to fulfill, hours increased. Working conditions were poor and hazardous. By some estimates, 127,000 workers died during the four years (from 1928 to 1932). Collectivisation caused a famine. Forced labour was increasingly used and there was greater repression. While some workers experienced better conditions through rewards such as apartments, cars, etc, the vast majority would see a decrease in living standards until the Second Plan at least. --81.153.196.113 (talk) 12:37, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

here is the "source"

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RUSfive.htm there are some serious copyrighting issues going on.

Thanks for the notification, the copyvio text has been removed. - FrancisTyers 09:12, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Chinese five year plans

Interesting info [1]. - FrancisTyers 11:09, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

And India [2]

What exactly was done?

This page is terrible, it doesn't actually say what a Five Year Plan is, what it did and how it did it. Ok, Stalin ordered it, the Golzpas ran it and it's aim was to increase industrialisation. How was that done, did it succeed, what exactly was done to achieve these aims and what were they? -User:Dalta

They simply did this; they focused their entire resources on industry. All extra money was reinvested to making more factories. Lots of slave labor was used, this killed two birds with one stone when it got the job done and finished of the political prisoners. Incentives were used to increase output. They told workers to work harder and collectivisation, supported by masses of poor peasants (collectivisation was actually popular to the millions of very poor farmers) ensured that they had the food they needed to feed the workers. Consumer goods were non-existant in a few places but most of the time they were in short supply. Workers would sleep in their un-finished factories. Using their vast amounts of raw materials such as metals in the Urals and oil in the caucasus region, they were able to produce the machinery they needed and hired American and European engineers, such as when constructing dams. I hope that helps.

Why is it that this article does not reference the tremendous human cost that came with the five year plans (particularly the first three, where there was a famine that killed millions that was directly related to how the Kremlin set production goals that were too high and the farmers overstated their crop yields (similar to China))?

major flaming

there seems to be some major flaming, by some angry anti-soviet person.

"The Sixth Plan, 1956-1960 A failure

[edit] The Seven Year Plan, 1959-1965 A failure

[edit] The Ninth Plan!!!!!!!!!!!, 1971-1975 A failure

[edit] The Tenth Plan, 1976-1981 Well dobedo, its : A failure"

why is this relatively obscure aspect of the Soviet Union targeted?

The sith plan involved the Virgin Lands scheme. Include that.

By the way, someone who vandalized that the Soviet workforce arrived drunk? Its true, check out the Party congress excusses for the failure. Its a fact that atleast 15% of the Soviet workforce did in fact arrive drunk. It might sound funny, especially since the figure is probably higher, but its not vandalism

The Soviet Union was an empire obssesed with slave labor and crushing riots such as Hungary.

-Why don't you go talk with some people who worked during the soviet period and ask if they were slaves.

Ever heard of the Gulag camps? And are you seriously kidding me? There were countless slave camps known as Gulags and just recently on the Main page of Wikipedia was the anniversary of the biggest Gulag uprising the Kengir uprising. Check your history before you attack. 68.6.230.65 03:32, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, keep the plans empty!

I added a section after the long list of empty five year plans, all genuine information ( no you don't need to cite information regarding the fact that the Soviet press was censored, totalitarian regime etc.) and someone has deleted it. Please explain why because its stupid having those empty five year plans when they clearly involved the Virgin land schemes and failed, under Khrushchev 68.6.230.65 03:34, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Eighth plan

is there an eighth plan? please mention if they just jump a number or what happened... and was there no plan between 1942 and 1946? mention it too. -Sucrine ( ><> talk) 09:21, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

According to [3] there is an eighth plan from 1966 to 1970. -Sucrine ( ><> talk) 10:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

First five Year Plan

Why is there a seperate article for only the first five year plan? It is about the same size as the bit here and should be stripped for ideas and deleted. Floormatster 03:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC)