Talk:Potential superpower

Russia a Superpower of the 21st century

Many people are wondering about the United States and its down fall economic recession[1] economy as if its still a superpower with the Iraq war, falling US dollar[2] [3][4], high US minimum wages being outsourced for Chinese labor, a high unemployment rate, credit crisis[5] through US foreign policy spending, US inflation[6] [7][8] from the Federal Reserve lowing interest rates too low[9], a housing crisis, dependence from oil & high gas prices and etc. Where does the United States stand as a superpower versing Russia’s current superpower status? Read at these sources here to see how the United States is losing or is now considered a former superpower:[10][11][12] [13]

Now there is Russia a superpower (the United States only real counter partner as as a superpower[14] [15][16] [17] [18][19] [20] because they have the economics[21] [22], the wealth[23] [24], the diplomatic power[25] [26], ideological[27] [28] [29][30][31][32], technological power[33] [34][35][36][37]& advances[38] than any other country besides the United States (look here on why the US is losing its superpower status read here:[39][40][41]) recognizes Russia as a superpower [42], they have the cultural sector and lets not forget their military forces (supreme). Russia is also the largest military arsenal producer in the world (they hold 73% of the worlds military arsenals market) and they have the worlds largest nuclear weapons arsenal than another other country (newer & older which many are reconditioned as new again) which is 5 times greater than the US has.

So Russia is a Superpower and lets not forget a Space Superpower, remember Russia has a Mar's mission coming up in 2015 [43]to 2024, also a Moon space station planned for 2015[44] without NASA but Russia going by itself; which NASA is out of funding due to a poor current US economy, 2007 & 2008. I do not start this article to brag about how wonderful Russia is, I started it because I am an American and I am seeing how the US is becoming a former superpower[45]; even though I admire Russia as a country, I also admire my own country (USA) too.

Russia is a Superpower, that's plenty of facts in the bag to state they are in that position. The United State's position[46][47] [48]), think what they are in for, a lot in the bag on the whole US economy on all sorts of issues, so we need to understand our Congress has put a lot of our problems right in front of us. US Congressman Ron Paul[49] was the only presidential candidate who would have saved the US as a superpower and our country. We cannot regret Russia is a superpower once again, that was always predicted they would achieve that goal and good for them, they stuck to their dreams and they brought it back. The US has done the opposite and we are heading down down the economic depression [50] tube to a great power nation because of Congress, Unions, Corporate greed and oil.

If you want to save the US as a superpower, stop buying from US companies made in China (look for the labels and try to buy made in America only, store like Costco, Walmart, K-Mart, Best Buy, Staples and more are companies that buy made in China goods and we Americans buy these things by the millions each day), second visit Congress personally and request to bring down the US minimum wage and request to cap wages too high to cap them or lower high salaries so greed is enforced to stop US inflation. Read here as if we don’t do something we we’ll really suffer as China’s minimum wage is $.25 cents an hour as China has used its low labor population power to put their country on the Superpower front and we made that happen, please read an listen to this link: [51][52] [53][54]--Versace11 (talk) 22:44, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Just wondering, when did youtube videos become a reputable source? This displays obvious POV. We must state both opinions in the article and move on from this childish argument, instead working on other, more important things like organization and the clear violations of wikipedia policy. I stoped reading this after awhile. Once you started referencing Youtube and saying things like "Ron Paul is the only one that would have saved the US as a superpower", I decided that this was way POV and biased. Try to keep your political views out of this please. Also, I can't believe you are arguing for lowering the minimium wage in a time of economic stife. This shows true ignorance to me, but, regardless, your views are important and are already represented in the article, so what's the problem? Saruman20 (talk) 22:57, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Wow, this paragraph is about as full of errors as a monkey typing Shakespeare, about as biased as Shawn Hannity on the war in Iraq, and as well-sourced as quoting Youtube can be. Russia has 5 times as many nukes as the US? LOL. Take your bias somewhere else, Wikipedia is not a forum for random politico-wannabees to express their every fantasy. It's a place for facts, not your personal opinion, and certainly not for POV semi-editorials. Meatwaggon (talk) 23:46, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Meatwaggon your comments is nothing better to say than the guy who started the comment above about Russia as superpower. Especially when you don't supply people the facts, it is your opinion not a fact; most of your comments are anti something. Give the guy credit, youtube is much of a daily resource under Google and 2, their are tons of media statements and government related materials that refer just what Versace11 said. he is right on the decline on the American economy going into a depression, the unemployment rate is 5.8%, that is extremely bad. The oil is putting US in a tailspin which it isn't going to be much longer the US isn't going to be a superpower anymore. Third the US military budget may decrease by $250 billion next year, not $510 billion, that's says a lot the US is not paying off its debts but Russia doesn't have deficit and their military budget and their foreign policy is greatly increasing. If the US has to spend $250 billion next year instead of over $500 billion this year, Russia will have the largest military budget. I have heard Congress is complaining about the war and no more. Fourth Ron Paul was the only candidate that was inviewed but the Russian media, no other candidate was considered a friend of Russia than Ron Paul, so I see Versace11's point on that one.

Organization

This article is obviously rather unorganized. All the countries should be presented in the same format. The information should be ordered in a way similar to this:

Name of country

Facts in favor

Culture

Military

Etc...

Facts Against

Next Country

Etc...

As for the "facts in favor" subcategories, in order to keep everything relevant and organized, they should be military(obvious), politics(obvious), economics(energy included), demographics(population, geography), and possibly culture. Culture should, however, be an overview of the countries cultural influence not everything about the culture, as that is irrelevant to superpower status. Ideological statements should be left out, as a country's chosen ideology has nothing to do with status as a superpower and is just asking for people to but in POV statements about the government of a certain country. Also, all sources must be vertifiable, academic sources. Main stream media should be refrained from, as the media likes to blow things way out of proportion and report on few, extrodinary incidents, not average behaviour. I believe this is the only way to save this article from it's obvious and dispicable violation of wikipedia policy. However, I do not think this article should be deleted, because, simply, what good would that accomplish? This article is at least partially informative, so instead of deleting it, try to fix it. Saruman20 (talk) 22:53, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I could not agree more. I recommend that you recategorize all the info in the sections and revamp the article, and have it ready for when the article is unprotected. I t has a lot of potential, but is held down by POV. For instance, this quote from the article.

"India, with its diverse and fascinating history, arts, music, culture, spiritual & social models has witnessed the growth of a booming tourism industry.[298] India is a historic place with a diverse history of over five millennia."

This is a Wikipedia article, not a travel brochure. --Hobie Hunter (talk) 01:19, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I have begun to do so. The article will be ready by the time the page is unprotected. I have reorganized the India and Russia sections, aswell as adding many new links and information to the rather short European Union section. Now all I have left to tackle is reorganizing the massive China section and reading through the entire article to look for anything that violates any major wikipedia policies. Saruman20 (talk) 19:13, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Agree. Good summary of the changes needed. Meatwaggon (talk) 03:42, 8 June 2008 (UTC)