Talk:Girl (disambiguation)

Where and by whom is a young woman working in an office referred to as an "office girl"? --Calieber 02:40, 28 Sep 2003 (UTC)

In USA dentistry the assistants and front desk people are very often called "girls".Not "office girls" though, that would be silly DanielHolth 29 June 2005 23:03 (UTC)

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Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Redirect doesn't mean your girlfriend is a child. -- Taku 04:45, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)

How about a redirect to Woman - isn't that more appropriate? Dysprosia 04:50, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)

It sounds better... Evil saltine 04:54, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)

It certainly sounds less sexist, but it probably is no more accurate. The ideal would be an article on the subject, but one that dosnt repeat the material in woman or child. mydogategodshat 04:58, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Couldn't Woman be edited to reflect the term "girl" and the fact that the term refers to a child? Dysprosia 05:01, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)

It could, and that would be infinitely better than a redirect to child, but we have to be careful because the term girl is frequently used to mean woman (eg: Oparah). mydogategodshat 05:09, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I think woman is fine too. -- Taku 23:45, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)

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I redirected this to woman again. See Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary for why. -- Taku

Considering that boy is not a redirect, I feel it is more apropos if we used this article as the place to write about female child specific topics. Otherwise it will be hard to correlate to the other languages of Wikipedia which make a man/boy - woman/girl distinction (e.g. Japanese, 男性/少年 - 女性/少女) and it will be hard to cover issues specific to the child and not the adult. -- EmperorBMA|話す 08:07, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)

You have some good points. I am one of few people who think each edition needs to be consistent. But I could argue that perhaps boy needs to be a redirect as girl was and those shojo, shonen, etc articles in jp edition needs to be combined into one to make the edition consistent with this en edition. Why you say? -- Taku 00:02, Aug 1, 2004 (UTC)

I agree. That sounds like a good idea and would probably be more efficient than stubs for the children, but there's also a Boy (album) disam that seems to throw a wrench at it. I think that should be relatively easy to resolve, however, by creating a boy (disambiguation) page. Allright then, I will start folding girl back into woman (with the child header at the summary section) and do the same for boy into man. -- EmperorBMA|話す 06:05, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thank you!

I've always thought a good goal of Wikipedia is to try to avoid being sexist as much as possible. Examples:

Several chess articles originally had sexist language in them. On April 4, 2004, I reworded them to avoid sexism. However, one of these (at fifty-move rule) was reverted because it is a direct quote from an area off Wikipedia, and direct quotes must stay the way they were made.

Sweetheart was originally a re-direct to girlfriend. This is not logical in that sweetheart is a gender-neutral term. I made it into a dis-ambiguation page for boyfriend and girlfriend.

Cowhand was originally titled Cowboy, with Cowgirl being a re-direct. I asked the article to be re-titled Cowhand. Cowboy survived as a re-direct; though Cowgirl was made into a dis-ambiguation page because it had an alternate use.

Fourth, I thank you for doing a very logical thing to the articles girl and boy, making them re-direct to woman and man, respectively. As I'm sure all of you Wikipedians know, one commonly-brought-up phrase is "Wikipedia is not a dictionary". Dictionaries arrange words alphabetically, and don't put words together because they have similar meanings. In contrast, Wikipedia, which is an encyclopedia, doesn't need to follow such a rule; titles re-direct to others because they are talked about together in a single article. The article man now starts with the definitions of both words "man" and "boy"; similarly woman starts with the definitions of both "woman" and "girl". This shows that the article man is about men and boys together as a single kind of person, and similarly woman is about women and girls together. A dis-ambiguation page for other meanings of the word "boy" was created at Boy (disambiguation).

Anything at Wikipedia that is still sexist?? 66.245.82.186 14:41, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)