Talk:List of Warriors characters/Archive 1

Hello fellow Warriors fan i have one question... Will some one please put a Ravenpaw bio on the 1st Arch cats section. I would do it but unfortunly I don't know how. If some one will tell me how I'll be glad to do it... if not will some one else do it? Thank you GreenxCat (talk) 07:34, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

You just click the "edit this page" tab up at the top and add it in. Don't worry about formatting or anything, ping me a little message on my talk page and I can do it, but you might want to try to find a few good references for your information and place them right beside the text (again, don't worry about formatting it yourself). If you want to find out about the formatting stuff, just check in here. Cheers, and happy editing! --lifebaka (Talk - Contribs) 13:32, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

YAY!! I just added a lot of stuff to the 3rd Arc cats: Jaypaw, Lionpaw, and Hollypaw! Does anyone mind looking it over?

Bramblestorm, 5/30/08, 11:58A.M. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.210.76.157 (talk) 15:59, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Clan Names

This is just a suggestion! When you are writing the names of clans (ShadowClan, RiverClan, WindClan, ThunderClan, BloodClan, SkyClan, StarClan, LionClan, LeopardClan and TigerClan) just remember to capitalize the "C" on the "Clan" as above! Not very important, but it was just a random thought that happened to go through my head as I was reading the article! Ryanjames1995 (talk) 00:13, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Third Arc Characters

I don't know if this is disputable but I think that characters like Willowpaw, Heatherpaw, Berrypaw, Hazelpaw, Mousepaw, Honeypaw, Poppypaw, Cinderpaw, Kestrelpaw, Millie, and TOTRW (Tribe of the Rushing Water) cats should be mentioned! Certainly Hollypaw, Jaypaw and Lionpaw are not enough to pass for the characters in the Power of Three characters list! There are many more newly introduced characters mentioned than that! Thanx!

Ryanjames1995 (talk) 00:19, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I totally agree. A few day ago, I added Cinderpaw, Poppypaw, Honeypaw, and Berrynose, but they were soon delted (except Cinderpaw). I would like to know who deleted them.Checkyesjuliet (talk) 04:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Family Trees

Vicky Holmes said that the family trees on warriorcats.com are false, so we should probably take off all of the relations that don't belong there. Thornclaw (talk) 22:44, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Ashfur Missing?

I notice Ashfur is mentioned in a few of the other characters' bios but he has no bio himself. I'm thinking Ashfur will become somewhat important in the next few books (as referenced in Sunset, The Sight, and Outcast), so shouldn't he have his own description? 192.91.173.36 (talk) 12:33, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

why hasnt anyone made him a bio?Checkyesjuliet (talk) 04:19, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll write one up for him today. Wolfraptor (talk) 11:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, finished a bio on Ashfur. I stuck him in the New Prophecy section because he's most prominent there. Still really interested to find what happens with him, myself. Not sure of his relationships, though. Could someone clarify? Mentors, apprentices, siblings, etc. Wolfraptor (talk) 19:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I added them for youCheckyesjuliet (talk) 20:05, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Writing Style

I'm sorry, I realize a lot of editors on this page are probably fairly young, but this article reads like a collection of kids' essays. Many bios do not take an encyclopedic POV, do not sound professional, and are also very short. I don't have any of the books with me at the moment but I will attempt to work on some characters off the top of my head. 192.91.173.36 (talk) 12:42, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Updated bios for Breezepaw, Heatherpaw, Nightcloud. Moving on. Let me know if you have problems. 192.91.173.36 (talk) 14:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC) I was the one who created those bios. I didn't have enough time to finish them. So, thanksCheckyesjuliet (talk) 04:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Updated bios for Cinderpelt, Whitestorm, Spottedleaf, Yellowfang. 192.91.173.42 (talk) 15:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Updated bios for Tigerclaw, Bluestar, Sandstorm, Graystripe, Fireheart, Lionheart, Darkstripe, Longtail. Fixed names and formatting, but the descriptions are still pretty bad. These seem to be chronicling the events of the books, and not describing the characters themselves. I don't feel like rewriting them at the moment, though. 192.91.173.36 (talk) 18:35, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Rewrote bio for Firestar. All posts in this subject have been me up until now, I just created an account so I'll have an actual name now. If there are no serious objections I will continue to rewrite bios for major characters; the present ones are more like a summary of events than descriptions. Wolfraptor (talk) 18:01, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Rewrote bio for Sandstorm, Graystripe, Bluestar. Again, any objection? I'm done for today. Wolfraptor (talk) 19:17, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I have recently been working a bit on this page as well. I must say that i dont like how this part keeps getting deleted. I take my time to put it there, so please dont get rid of it. If you remove it, i will simply take the time to put it back. I am 14, i have plenty of time on my hands. :)

• Mentor:
• Apprentice:
• Mate:
• Kits:
• Known kin:
• Death:

Checkyesjuliet (talk) 04:26, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Someone keeps messing with it, that's for sure. I'm still undecided as to whether we need it here or not, but if you're just going to keep putting it back up, we might as well accept it. Just make sure it's formatted right (and the names are spelled right, I don't want to see any more Stoppedleafs or Whitestroms). Also many cats don't have a known mate or haven't died yet, so there probably doesn't need to be a bullet for those stats on those characters. Wolfraptor (talk) 11:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

For the record, I've got no issue with the information itself. However, it should be incorporated into the text, not put down in a list. WP:TRIVIA covers the reasoning for this sort of thing fairly well. Cheers. --lifebaka (Talk - Contribs) 12:13, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. Chuckyesjuliet, add your lists back in, and I'll simply convert them to text. Where are you getting these relationships, by the way? (I haven't read cats of the clans yet) Wolfraptor (talk) 15:48, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Im not sure i know what you mean. By the way, I noticed that you put that it is implied that Snowfur is whitestorm's mother. In Secrets of the Clans, there is a story from Snowfur's point of view. She says that her Mother, Moonflower, didnt approve of Snowfurs sister, Bluestar (Bluefur at the time), taking her kits to RiverClan. Snowfur also says that she wants to take Mosskit to StarClan because she never got to see her son, Whitepaw, become Whitestorm.Checkyesjuliet (talk) 16:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

^Fixed the Whitestorm issue. Thanks for the info. What don't you understand? Wolfraptor (talk) 17:22, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I just wasn't sure what you meant by "Where are you getting these relationships, by the way?" But if you mean where am I getting my info, than thats easy. I read every book, including the special edition, Secret of the Clans, Cats of The Clans, and all the manga. All the info you need is in the booksCheckyesjuliet (talk) 18:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Updated bios for a number of characters to include the relationships mentioned in Chuckyesjuliet's lists. Added clarification for series iterations as well, because a lot of characters have prominient roles in more than one series. Wolfraptor (talk) 18:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Glad to see the info is being used, instead of erased :)Checkyesjuliet (talk) 18:33, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Are you the one adding physical descriptions (pelt color, eyes)? If so keep going because I don't have any of the books with me to verify what each cat looks like ;) Wolfraptor (talk) 18:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

It's not me, i didn't even notice that was being added. Checkyesjuliet (talk) 18:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Who's adding lists? I noticed someone put lists where Wolfraptor already converted my lists to text. Checkyesjuliet (talk) 17:46, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

The lists are back...grrr. Clearly someone just really wants lists. 192.91.171.42 (talk) 12:10, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I've eliminated all lists and added their contents into the bios. It's a pretty patchy job at the moment since most of them I haven't rewritten yet, but for now it'll do. Maybe now no one will think "Hey! Half the characters have lists, maybe I should add the rest in myself!" Wolfraptor (talk) 17:07, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Whew...rewriting all these bios is taking more time than I thought. I've done all of First Arc Thunderclan up to Dustpelt, Stoneteller, Brook, Scourge, Ashfur, and Bone. The rest will come in due time, hopefully. Also thanks to whoever is adding in little tidbits that I forgot to mention (lot of Cats of the Clans stuff that I haven't read yet lol) Wolfraptor (talk) 17:05, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Name Iterations for Characters

To whoever is adding naming trees for each character: why? Certain characters have gone through various names over the course of the books, but do we really need to list the (assumed) kit and apprentice names of every cat? We never knew Whitestorm when he was a kit, so why mention it here? Also, if you're going to add names, please for the love of God spell it right! 192.91.173.42 (talk) 17:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Changed title names to only one name - for example, for most of the First Arc series Firestar is known as Fireheart, so that is his title name for the First Arc. Removed unneeded names for warriors only referred to by a single name in the books. 192.91.173.36 (talk) 18:33, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey, you know, I kind of like whatever the last person did with the stats for each character: deleting them. A lot less confusion that way. Wolfraptor (talk) 18:46, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Missing characters

I'm adding in BloodClan and the Tribe as well as various other fairly important cats not mentioned here. The bios are stubs at the moment but I'll flesh them out when I get to them. Any relationship stats, physical descriptions, and full names (for the Tribe mainly) can be added freely, if you know them. Wolfraptor (talk) 14:18, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

The list is growing. Are we for the opinion, then, that every warrior should be mentioned in this page? Or should it be trimmed down to only major characters? Or should there be a split for major and minor? It looks like we're going for every character, so if that's the case someone will need to add: Spiderleg, Sootfur, Rainwhisker, Gorsepaw, Morningflower, Littlecloud, Whiteclaw, Runningnose, Midnight, Purdy, Shrewpaw, Sorreltail, Mudclaw, Mudfur, Ivypaw, Toadpaw(what's his warrior name now?), Berrynose, Honeypaw, Poppypaw, Rainfur, Shortwhisker/Hutch, Boulder, Jaggedtooth, Rock, Fallen Leaves, Willowpaw, Rowanclaw, Russetfur...and others that I can't think of off the top of my head. Also a section for StarClan and Tribe of Endless Hunting. Lol. I'll do it once I get past all the others already on there, but anyone who wants to assist is welcome. Wolfraptor (talk) 18:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Nightstar is a notable omission. BrokenSphere^{Msg me} 17:08, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Good call. Also I forgot Ferncloud, the perpetual mother-machine. Still working on existing cats for now, but they'll get there.Wolfraptor (talk) 20:41, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Rocktalon????

What's all this crap about some cat named Rocktalon?????Checkyesjuliet (talk) 15:26, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

He's very annoying, that much is certain. The entire half of the page was deleted the last time he tried to enter himself into the code. Wolfraptor (talk) 18:40, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

First time i saw it, i deleted it. Then all of a sudden he was back and your right; half the content was goneCheckyesjuliet (talk) 21:50, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

Someone has been blatantly vandalizing this page. They've been adding absurd characters and screwing up the HTML, so much that when I last visited the page I thought over half the text had been deleted. Thankfully it's not, but this needs to stop. I'm new to this whole thing, so I don't know how to report things like this, so someone else needs to do it. So far the page has been vandalized twice in the last 3 days. Wolfraptor (talk) 16:07, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

On the grand scale of things this isn't that bad. When you see vandalism, just revert it and say you're reverting vandalism in the edit summary. If it gets really, really bad I can semi-protect the article, but it's not at all needed yet. If you want you can add some warning templates to the user talk pages of the vandals when you revert (which can be found at WP:User warning templates). If things get too out of hand you can head over to WP:AIV to make a report. Cheers. --lifebaka (Talk - Contribs) 17:10, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks for the info; I've also made a backup of the page so any serious problems that arise can be fixed pretty easily. Wolfraptor (talk) 18:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Category?

So I noticed the category flag today. Does anyone know of a category this would fit under? Wolfraptor (talk) 14:07, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I added the tag, just so ya' know. I'll go look for some. --lifebaka (talk - contribs) 15:23, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, two have been added. I'll see if there are any others, then. --lifebaka (talk - contribs) 15:24, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Header levels

Please leave the header levels the way they are. The Manual of Style says it's supposed to be this way here; which is kinda' weird, I know, but the first level header (=BLAH=) really only exists these days for sandboxes and stuff (i.e. weird page transclusions). Please start with 2nd level headers (==BLAH==) and add more from there. Thanks. --lifebaka (talk - contribs) 19:45, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Is it possible to create a line with the third-tier header for clans? Maybe I'm just a formatting nazi, but that doesn't look right. Wolfraptor (talk) 12:03, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

It'd look weird compared the rest of the wiki, but you can create a line with ----. It looks like this:

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But, again, it'd look weird compared to the rest of the wiki. Cheers. --lifebaka (talk - contribs) 17:05, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Rock?/

Hi, I'm just going to make this one comment, but what about Rock? I mean, he is a pretty important character (albeit he is dead), and he talks for the entire second field guide book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.148.201.138 (talk) 00:06, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

We'll throw in Rock at some point. Not sure where to put him, though...Tribe? Make a new heading for ancient cats? Does Fallen Leaves deserve to be added as well? Wolfraptor (talk) 12:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Inter-page Links

I've started up a template that provides links to each Clan's section in a given series, as well as the series sections themselves. This would provide a quick navigation to any given Clan if it is mentioned in a character's bio. Anyone else think this is a good idea? I've started from the top of the page (as with my bio rewrites) so you can get a decent idea of how it works. Obviously this would take a long time to finish, so anyone who wants to add in the code to existing mentions is certainly welcome. I'm thinking 1 or 2 links per Clan per character, so we don't have like 8 ThunderClan links in a single bio lol. The syntax is provided in the ones I've already done, just make sure you link to the correct series version of a given clan (don't link to First Arc ThunderClan if you're writing about Jaypaw, etc.) Wolfraptor (talk) 17:01, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll go work on it too, starting at the bottom. Also, for reference, usually things are only linked once per major section, so I'm guessing once per character should be fine (two in extremely long cases, maybe). And it's not technically a template, but the difference doesn't matter for right now. Also, you can do the links to other parts of the page (I shall call those intra-page links for now) can be done as [[#BLAH|BLAH]] instead of [[List of characters in the Warriors novel series#BLAH|BLAH]]. Also x2, if anyone needs help writing any actual templates, leave me a message at my talk page. Cheers. --lifebaka (talk - contribs) 17:10, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

It looks like there are some where the names have changed. I haven't read any of the books, so someone more knowledgeable than I about the series will have to go link them. I'm guessing that the end part of the name changes, but I'm not sure. Cheers. --lifebaka (talk - contribs) 17:37, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah, that makes the markup look so much better lol. Template, linking system, whatever...which names are you referring to, by the way? The names of the characters themselves is pretty confusing I'll admit, since most well-established characters have gone through 3 or 4 names (-kit, -paw, -<warrior-specific>, -star). Wolfraptor (talk) 18:10, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Specifically the -kits at Tawnypelt; if it's just ending changes I can figure it out, but it might be better to have someone who knows it better check it all out still. There's also Silverstream, who appears to be Crowpaw from what I've read, but it doesn't mention this in Silverstream's text. I've also missed linking Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight, because for whatever reason the links to them didn't work (I'd guess typos or something on my part). Cheers. --lifebaka (talk - contribs) 18:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

With the exception of Brightheart (who was once Lostface), no cat should have undergone a full name change through the course of the series...so I'm not sure why Crowpaw (Crowfeather) would be linked to Silverstream. Oh well, minor trifles at best. I'm pretty good with the series so I'll be sure to fix anything that looks off. Wolfraptor (talk) 19:03, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Article size

I'm not sure if this is a problem yet or not, but this article is getting...long. Wiki's article mentions 32KB as a guideline, and we've got 3 times that here. Should there be a split involved? Maybe a separate page for each clan, or series, or something? As it is I like the way we have it here, but again...long. I'll keep rewriting regardless. Wolfraptor (talk) 17:28, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I've been thinking the same thing for a while. Personally, I like the idea of splitting off a List of minor characters in the Warriors novel series and leaving only main characters on this article, maybe more splits if necessary. However, this can wait until everything else on the page is done; it's more important to have good content than shorter articles. Cheers. lifebaka++ 17:31, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

References

Yet another logistics question: what's the deal with the references? Should we be using the format listed after cats in the new prophecy series (Brambleclaw, etc), where we just throw in all six books at the end as a reference? Or do they need to be inserted into the text at each point? Wolfraptor (talk) 15:41, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

It'd be better if they could be inserted into the text at the right places, but just sticking the proper books at the end is a passable solution. My thought is do whatever's easiest and works for you. Cheers. lifebaka++ 15:47, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

In-universe

OK, this article is looking pretty much like what we had for our last list of Warriors characters. It is ALL in-universe. We either need to clean it up or have it deleted again. So I propose:

• First, a "Concept and Creation" section
• Second, a "Critical Reception" section
• Third, cut down on the massive descriptions of the characters
• Fourth, for the minor characters that are only mentioned once or twice, perhaps a table would work best?
• Fifth, get a good coyeditor to look over this page
• Sixth, a peer review

Any comments? Shrewpelt (talk) 13:20, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm all for cleaning up the page. Comments:

• Concept and Creation...vague. Do you mean an explanation as to why certain characters were written into the series?
• Critical reception...We have one. It's in the main Warriors page. I'd suspect it would be slightly difficult to find reputable sources for the public's opinion on given characters.
• Massive descriptions...ok, I can work on this one. You'd have to specify which ones are too long, however, in which case a separate page may be needed. I was thinking we might split this up into Clan-specific pages eventually anyway, once the proper writing was done.
• Minor characters...yes. The list is waaaay too long at the moment, taken up by minor or single-instance characters. A single minor characters page would do well here, leaving major characters to be detailed in the "main" pages. Again, based on the possible split, and again, after the main writing is done.
• Coeditor...so far lifebaka hasn't had too many issues with content, and content is by far my main contribution. I'd say I've edited about 60% of the page at the moment, but when it's supposedly "finished", I'd agree we should have it looked over by a mod or other wiki staff.
• Peer review...same as above.

Overall, I don't really see how we can bring a list of characters out of universe in terms of content. An example is the list of supporting characters in the Harry Potter series, which is written in much the same style. There could, of course, be plenty of issues with original research here that I'm not currently aware of, but I'm sure that would be brought up when we present the article to a mod or coeditor. Sorry for the massive response, by the way...Wolfraptor (talk) 16:22, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

For "Concept and Creation, this involves telling what factors went into making each characters. For example, according to The Rise of Scourge, Victoria Holmes made Scourge just to be a really scary villian for Darkest Hour, and didn't think about why Scourge was like that at first. For "Critical Reception", I have found some reviews that mention the characters (this one, for example). As for splitting the page, making even more out-of-universe articles for individual cats would be extremely challenging. Let's stick with one article for now. That is why I say a table would work best, because it mould shorten the list and make the Table of Contents a little shorter. And other lists of characters have become FLs, so it is not impossible for us to bring this list out of universe. Shrewpelt (talk) 17:39, 15 August 2008 (UTC)