Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Swamilive

User:Swamilive

Suspected sock puppeteer

Swamilive (talk⁺ · contribs · deleted contribs · tag · block user · block log · CheckUser)

Suspected sock puppets

• 216.211.57.63 (talk⁺ · contribs · deleted contribs · tag · block user · block log · CheckUser)
• 24.109.207.40 (talk⁺ · contribs · deleted contribs · tag · block user · block log · CheckUser)
• 216.211.51.245 (talk⁺ · contribs · deleted contribs · tag · block user · block log · CheckUser)
• 216.211.54.163 (talk⁺ · contribs · deleted contribs · tag · block user · block log · CheckUser)
• 216.211.59.3 (talk⁺ · contribs · deleted contribs · tag · block user · block log · CheckUser)

Report submission by

• Delicious carbuncle (talk) 04:35, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Evidence

Swamilive (talk · contribs) created articles Mirror Song (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and Shit Towne (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) about unremarkable Live (band) songs. I redirected the articles (plus related articles not created by Swamilive) to their respective albums, citing WP:MUSIC in the edit summary. These changes were reverted by 216.211.57.63 (talk · contribs) with no edit summary or attempt to discuss on the talk page. The IP was eventually blocked for 3RR. When I reverted the articles back to redirects, 24.109.207.40 (talk · contribs) reverted them, again with no edit summary or attempt to discuss on the talk page. Although I hadn't violated 3RR, Swamilive (talk · contribs) immediately left me a 3RR warning on my talk page and filed a 3RR report here, which was a cut-and-paste of my report from the previous day in which I'd suggested that 216.211.57.63 was likely a sockpuppet of Swamilive. The WHOIS for both IPs suggests that they are from Thunder Bay, a small Canadian community.

User:Swamilive reverted my removal of spam links from an article here and didn't respond when asked about it on their talk page. User:24.109.207.40 twice removed an AfD notice from Frank Gross, an article I'd nominated for deletion and recently edited. Both accounts are clearly targetting my edits following the redirection of Live (band) song articles.

216.211.51.245

(This section submitted by Dominus (talk))

I think Swamilive has a habit of using anonymous IP accounts to do his dirty work for him. One day he listed the article about me, Mark Jason Dominus, for PROD [1]. Another editor quickly reverted the listing, since the article had survived two AFD discussions. A few days later, User:216.211.51.245 restored the PROD notice. [2].

216.211.51.245's only other edits both seem to be Swamilive acting antisocially. One edit [3] was to insert mentions of "Vov Abraxas" into the DVD article. Vov Abraxas is the stage name of a musician who is connected with Swamilive, or who is Swamilive himself [4]. In the past, many of Swamilive's edits were devoted to inserting mentions of Vov Abraxas to various articles.[5][6][7][8][9].

The other edit by 216.211.51.245 [10] restored the (probably non-notable) mention of a certain segment on a comedy podcast that had been previously added by Swamilive [11] and removed later.

216.211.54.163

(This section submitted by Dominus (talk))

User:216.211.54.163 made a series of Swamilive-like edits on July 2. One was to add "Vov Abraxas" to the Abraxas article [12]. One vandalized Wager: [13]. The next was to add a spam section about Swamilive's record company to the James Bay article: [14]. This section was removed soon afterward by another editor, and Swamilive restored it: [15].

The anonymous user finished his session by editing my user page without my permission. Swamlive has a long history of doing this [16] even though other editors have told him not to [17].

216.211.59.3

(This section submitted by Dominus (talk))

User:216.211.59.3 appears to be another Swamilive account, making a series of antisocial, Swamilive-like edits between 28 and 31 July.

This user repeatedly edited my user page without my permission. [18][19][20][21]

The anonymous user inappropriately linked to James Bay from the Darien article [22], inappropriately linked to Mark Jason Dominus from the Unix article [23]. As discussed above, James Bay and Mark Jason Dominus have both been targets of Swamilive's vandalism in the past.

The anonymous user also vandalized 5-Methoxy-diisopropyltryptamine [24] and Drug Enforcement Administration [25]. The DEA article has also been a past target of Swamilive's vandalism: [26][27]

Comments

Excellent detective work, Delicious carbuncle. A couple quick points though. The Frank Gross article most certainly has enough external links and respectable references to validate the article's inclusion on Wikipedia. Most certainly moreso than Mark Jason Dominus. Secondly, to accuse me of targeting your edits is a bit of a switch-around/swap-around, don't you think? Our whole relationship began when you nominated Stan Jacobsen for deletion, and I disagreed with the nomination. Not understanding the process for AfD, I asked you some very well-intentioned questions to try to allow the article to stay up. These questions were met with a snarky response. Since then, you've done nothing but revert notable songs to their album's article. I reckon you're the one targeting me, sir. Which is flattering to a degree, but ultimately distasteful.

Hi Dom. I did nominate you for deletion, but quite honestly, this was not in bad faith. Basically, you can read and write Perl. You ran a medium-traffic website with some other people. You had a book published, you like octopuses, and you had yourself filmed in an undershirt spitting profanity at the cameraman 6 years ago. Mark, I've done all these things, except Perl isn't my language of choice. No offense, my friend, but you're technically no more notable than I am. How many units of Higher-Order Perl have you shipped? My record company sold over 2,000 Vov Abraxas records. Not trying to put you down. Just providing a comparison. Yet, I'll bet that if I created an article about myself, you or Mr. Carbuncle would be quick to nominate it for deletion. Am I wrong?

So yes, I did in fact make all those edits from those different computers. I guess there's a matter of blocking to be discussed. All I would like to suggest is that the IPs (or IP range) are not subjected to a block. For the most part, those are public computers at libraries and Internet cafés here in town. Looking at the histories of these IPs, I can tell you that I certainly didn't make all the edits listed in their contribs. Other people have been, and will be using these IPs for good-faith edits.

Here's my recommendation. I will stop creating and reverting articles about promotional-only Live singles (this should satisfy Delicious carbuncle). I may create articles about Live singles if I can find references that prove the song is notable, but I'll leave out the non-charting, radio-only promo singles. As for Dominus, I will leave your user page alone, and I will resist the temptation to nominate your Mark Jason Dominus page for deletion. I will protect it from vandalism by other users, but I'll otherwise leave it alone. Also, I guess the Stan Jacobsen article has to stay off. Trying to reach an honest consensus here....would this be satisfactory to you two? Swamilive (talk) 12:39, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Conclusions

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