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*'''Comment'''. So far as I can tell, this guy fails [[WP:PROF]], so his notability would have to come from elsewhere. The media quotes academics; being consulted by the media for news stories does not make one more notable than your average professor. None of the stories on the page are ''about'' King. Of the two people that BenMay75 mentions, I can only find a Wikipedia article on the first; in any case, the fact that [[WP:OTHERSTUFF|other stuff exists]] doesn't establish notability. [[User:RJC|RJC]] <sup>[[User talk:RJC|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/RJC|Contribs]]</sup> 20:05, 8 September 2008 (UTC) |
*'''Comment'''. So far as I can tell, this guy fails [[WP:PROF]], so his notability would have to come from elsewhere. The media quotes academics; being consulted by the media for news stories does not make one more notable than your average professor. None of the stories on the page are ''about'' King. Of the two people that BenMay75 mentions, I can only find a Wikipedia article on the first; in any case, the fact that [[WP:OTHERSTUFF|other stuff exists]] doesn't establish notability. [[User:RJC|RJC]] <sup>[[User talk:RJC|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/RJC|Contribs]]</sup> 20:05, 8 September 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Response from Brett King''' I am a judge on two distinguished international awards panels, and listed as faculty on 4 Universities currently and am widely published both commercially and in academic circles. I'm happy to supply journal and academic papers to anyone who is interested. However, the key issue here is whether this entry is deemed one of a notable or noteworthy person for ]]WP:BIO]]. I suggest you try a search on Google for '''"Brett King" Wealth Management''', '''"Brett King" Dubai''', '''"Brett King" Hong Kong''' or similar where 90% of the return results on the first few pages are related. Please also feel free to check with William Byrnes, Assoc Dean Thomas Jefferson School of Law (San Diego), or Dr. Richard Petty, Assoc Dean, Macquarie Graduate School of Management for my academic credentials if you have any concerns on the [[WP:PROF]]. Brett King is a fairly common name. I do not believe I should be penalized for holding a name that other notable people also hold. |
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*'''delete''' the external links contain a substantial degree of puffery, three of the links are broken, two of them don't include a mention of the biography subject by name. With very few (one?) exception, the rest of the external links mention the subject by name just once, usually just to source a quip. IMHO, none of these amount to the extensive coverage of Brett King as a subject in reliable secondary sources. For example the first three all link to strikingly similar news reports (minimally reprocessed press release?) in which the identical, or virtually identical, paragraph contains Brett Kings name (re)printed in www.arabianbusiness.com, www.khaleejtimes.com, and www.pr-usa.net. Googling "Brett King" primarily returns hits for [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0454517/ the actor] and [http://tv.yahoo.com/brett-king/contributor/584292 Saturday Night Live producer], or [http://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&id=EiNBc1_9mf4C&dq=Brett+King&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=3aOdLxwf8e&sig=EQM30BnlwXAnXvpvMiXHNaXf-WU&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#PPP1,M1 psychologist]. [http://scholar.google.ca/scholar?q=Brett+King&hl=en&lr=&start=0&sa=N Google scholar] primariily turns up Brett A. King. Vanity and COI puffery move me from "weak delete" to "delete". If WP:RS sources are produced to demonstrate that he passes either WP:BIO or WP:PROF, I'll change my opinion, but I've seen none on the searching I've done. [[User:Pete.Hurd|Pete.Hurd]] ([[User talk:Pete.Hurd|talk]]) 20:15, 8 September 2008 (UTC) |
*'''delete''' the external links contain a substantial degree of puffery, three of the links are broken, two of them don't include a mention of the biography subject by name. With very few (one?) exception, the rest of the external links mention the subject by name just once, usually just to source a quip. IMHO, none of these amount to the extensive coverage of Brett King as a subject in reliable secondary sources. For example the first three all link to strikingly similar news reports (minimally reprocessed press release?) in which the identical, or virtually identical, paragraph contains Brett Kings name (re)printed in www.arabianbusiness.com, www.khaleejtimes.com, and www.pr-usa.net. Googling "Brett King" primarily returns hits for [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0454517/ the actor] and [http://tv.yahoo.com/brett-king/contributor/584292 Saturday Night Live producer], or [http://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&id=EiNBc1_9mf4C&dq=Brett+King&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=3aOdLxwf8e&sig=EQM30BnlwXAnXvpvMiXHNaXf-WU&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#PPP1,M1 psychologist]. [http://scholar.google.ca/scholar?q=Brett+King&hl=en&lr=&start=0&sa=N Google scholar] primariily turns up Brett A. King. Vanity and COI puffery move me from "weak delete" to "delete". If WP:RS sources are produced to demonstrate that he passes either WP:BIO or WP:PROF, I'll change my opinion, but I've seen none on the searching I've done. [[User:Pete.Hurd|Pete.Hurd]] ([[User talk:Pete.Hurd|talk]]) 20:15, 8 September 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' as per Pete Hurd. --[[User:Crusio|Crusio]] ([[User talk:Crusio|talk]]) 20:54, 8 September 2008 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' as per Pete Hurd. --[[User:Crusio|Crusio]] ([[User talk:Crusio|talk]]) 20:54, 8 September 2008 (UTC) |
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As mentioned in the talk page. This page reads like an autobiography/advert. It was created and maintained by User:Brett k, thus autobiographical. This page has been tagged once before and User:Secret, who is an administrator, saw fit make the page a redirect to the company page. User:Brett k undid this move. A quick google search finds many other Brett King's listed but I can't find this guy. If this guy is deemed not notable, I suppose the image should be deleted as well. RobDe68 (talk) 17:16, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:32, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- Keep It's a mess, and undoubtedly an autobio, but that huge list of media exposure ELs seems to indicate come notability. (Some are passing references, but some have detail.) JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 18:35, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- Keep 2: I have worked with Brett King and his understanding of the customer experience in a banking environment really is unique and as an author of an upcoming book BANK 2.0 see this profile being no different to other authors such as Jakob Nielsen or Jesse James Garret who are known for their user experience work in the web development community. BenMay75 10:15, 8 September 2008 (UTC) This template must be substituted.
- Keep 3: Looks OK and could use some updating by a WIKI Master to make the presentation even better. Other than that, King is an incredibly notable figure. Globalprofessor —Preceding undated comment was added at 17:29, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. -- Pete.Hurd (talk) 19:07, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
- Comment. So far as I can tell, this guy fails WP:PROF, so his notability would have to come from elsewhere. The media quotes academics; being consulted by the media for news stories does not make one more notable than your average professor. None of the stories on the page are about King. Of the two people that BenMay75 mentions, I can only find a Wikipedia article on the first; in any case, the fact that other stuff exists doesn't establish notability. RJC Talk Contribs 20:05, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
- Response from Brett King I am a judge on two distinguished international awards panels, and listed as faculty on 4 Universities currently and am widely published both commercially and in academic circles. I'm happy to supply journal and academic papers to anyone who is interested. However, the key issue here is whether this entry is deemed one of a notable or noteworthy person for ]]WP:BIO]]. I suggest you try a search on Google for "Brett King" Wealth Management, "Brett King" Dubai, "Brett King" Hong Kong or similar where 90% of the return results on the first few pages are related. Please also feel free to check with William Byrnes, Assoc Dean Thomas Jefferson School of Law (San Diego), or Dr. Richard Petty, Assoc Dean, Macquarie Graduate School of Management for my academic credentials if you have any concerns on the WP:PROF. Brett King is a fairly common name. I do not believe I should be penalized for holding a name that other notable people also hold.
- delete the external links contain a substantial degree of puffery, three of the links are broken, two of them don't include a mention of the biography subject by name. With very few (one?) exception, the rest of the external links mention the subject by name just once, usually just to source a quip. IMHO, none of these amount to the extensive coverage of Brett King as a subject in reliable secondary sources. For example the first three all link to strikingly similar news reports (minimally reprocessed press release?) in which the identical, or virtually identical, paragraph contains Brett Kings name (re)printed in www.arabianbusiness.com, www.khaleejtimes.com, and www.pr-usa.net. Googling "Brett King" primarily returns hits for the actor and Saturday Night Live producer, or psychologist. Google scholar primariily turns up Brett A. King. Vanity and COI puffery move me from "weak delete" to "delete". If WP:RS sources are produced to demonstrate that he passes either WP:BIO or WP:PROF, I'll change my opinion, but I've seen none on the searching I've done. Pete.Hurd (talk) 20:15, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
- Delete as per Pete Hurd. --Crusio (talk) 20:54, 8 September 2008 (UTC)