Talk:Gangster

/Archive1 - record of article discussion to 9 Dec 2005

Cleanup

split the article into a couple of sections and reduced some stuff that was either duplicated or POV.  I have also taken the liberty of removing the cleanup sign since it now looks in better shape to continue expanding.  But if you feel that it still needs to be cleaned, then please add the tag back in - I won't complain.

I've listed this page for cleanup again as of today, partly because 'gangsta' redirects here and I feel we need to describe that subculture a little more or (what is probably wiser) link to another page doing so. Thomas Ash 17:03, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I am going to do another copyedit. After it I will remove the banner agian. The article does not have much info. Any copy editing done now will be undone by anyone who adds new infomation.

OK, I've done a complete copyedit-cum-rewrite. I certainly wouldn't claim this is a great article in its current form, but its at least passable. So I've removed to cleanup tag. But since my 'gangsta' point still stands (and I lack the knowledge to correct it) I've added a sectstub tag there. Hope this helps, Thomas Ash 14:53, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Someone could include a link to the gangster rap article, or add information about gangsters in popular culture and movies? Just some suggestions? Demosthenes 1

And why is there one random sentence about Chris Margonis? Who is this guy? aq mega gangster i da hæos Anonymous

• I have reflagged this page for cleanup. It comes across as horribly facile and lacks any sort of encyclopaedic authority and gravitas. I will give it some attention myself also. Sjc 04:17, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

NPOV?

Isn't this entire article kind of POV and subjective? I mean, by some of these definitions, a lot of politicians or businessmen could be considered gangsters, and a lot of gangsters would be considered businessmen or politicians. There are like 100 articles on Mafia, Mom, Ngrand whatever, Yakuza, Russian and Mexican Mafia, etc. so do we really need something on gangsters too? Too generic and POV, I think. Flannel 00:19, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

gangsta

This is the worst article I have ever read. Wow.

This is lacking serious factualo information and appears to be more of a joke than an actual useful information.

Thats because being gangsta is a joke, the mafia kind of gangster is cool, but being gangsta is a joke. Deathtopplintheir40s 02:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

"G" as a slang reference for gansta

The change by User:206.174.28.248 on 25 June 2006 removed a lot of text about the slang term gansta, and especially the use of the letter "G" in colliquial reference. Originally I had merged that text as it had originally been added to the letter G article. I have no problem with this removal, but if there is no longer any verifyable discussion of the use of the letter "G", I am going to remove the disambiguation link on the G article which points here. If this use is later added back with verifiable sources to this article, then someone may want to again re-add the link on the letter G article. -- Dmeranda 18:44, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

On the letter G article, the slang reference for "G" is now primarily linked to gansta rap (under music) rather than to this article.--Dmeranda 18:39, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Why the hell are 50 cent and eminem in here? rapping is their CAREER choice, if their career choice was participating in ganster activity on this present day, then they could be regarded as one. i say take them off.

rapping is intrinsically linked to gangster culture due to the fact that both originated from the same African American "ghetto" culture. Therefore, rappers have a legitimate mention, although it is slightly POV'd here.

Since when is "Gangster" always spelt "Gangsta"?

I don't know really, but I find the information given in the first paragraph to be erronous. I have never seen "gangster" spelt any other ways than "gangster" in conventional litterature and I don't believe it is true that "gangster" is always spelt "gangsta" because of the way african-americans speak. Gangsta is a slang. I think that sentence should be removed...

Godfather? Goodfellas? Casino? Gangs in films need a little editing.

Are these movies "gangster" movies? Godfather it's 1920s gangster if anything. Goodfellas I would say yes, but Casino I'd say hold the phone on Casino. Especially with Sam Rothstein. Nicky Santoro (Pesci) is definatly a gangster in that film, but Sam Rothstein doesn't quite feel "gangster" to me.

I think if they are gangster movies they should all be meantioned, especially godfather prominently not washed away under a character. If not then we need an explination of what makes Godfather different because that would explain a lot.

In addition gangsters in films needs work. First off who's "the game" and why is he listed first? Why is the Krays even listed? we have a list of 4 rappers, then we get into actors and start listing every film they've been in? Shouldn't we just list the rapper straight up not what movies they did. And for the movies list the movie and if a particular roll was gangster (Third man, Public Enemy Number one) then identify the specific role. Perhaps we need to look into which rappers, actors and films are notable, for instance joe pesci, de niro and pacino always had some sort gangster related roles however liotta, travolta, jackson and rhames did it one time. This could help this section so it doesn't disolve into every gangster ever in the media's eye. In addition it will also help organize the section as a full list of actors who played a gangster one time won't help but a list of movies with gangsters in it will help.

article needs cleanup

There needs to be a seperate article for gangster as a sup-culture as if a emo kid, or a emo kid would be. So a gangster kid would be just like that.

the new Gangsta's

If you don't know Stephen Hill is a real gangsta and his 2 *Homies* (sorry for spelling) MonKeyS, AoiiDkies are destroying my town and are drug dealing to the young teanages of the town and are threatening the youths.

And Stephen Hill should proberly stop messing with the wiki before he get's his ip and most likely the schools ip banned from editing. 58.104.224.247 08:20, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Some Things Removed...

Upon reading this article, I noticed some person added info about them being a "gangsta", as well as their friends... i've taken the liberty of removing this.

--ScottRocks 01:17, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Popular culture?

Should there not be any mention of the americans (mostly in the Hip Hop movement) this present day referring to themselves as Gangsters? I can understand why the Ninja article don't mention this sort of thing, but the self-proclaimed Gangsters could likely be counted to a million (just my estimate, though).

I am aware that these "Gangstas" are mainly thugs at most, but it is a big cultural phenomenom and does therefor deserve at least one sentence! 85.225.26.214 21:48, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Lock

I think this article should be locked as it seems to attract much vandalism.

gangster is not only a gang group. but also just a person that listens to rap music and wears chains. thanks

Why is there no talk about black american gangsters?

It's because Gangsta's and Gangsters are completely different. If I'm not mistaken, Gangsta has its own article, right? If it doesn't, it should be made, and if it does, stop messing with the mafia type of gangsters.

No, gangster is not someone who "just listens to rap music and wears chains," though I'm sure they'd love to think they are.

Why not just delete this article?

Seems like this is more something for Wiktionary. It would make more sense just to have this redirect to mafia or leave it as a disambiguation page. --85.210.33.72 16:08, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I suggest merging this stub with Gang, especially since this article contains some of the "world view" information that is missing from Gang.-Robotam 13:18, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

No one has objected/disputed merger of this entry into Gangster, since I first suggested it in June. In fact, the article has gotten smaller. Therefore, it is time to be bold and merge it.-RoBoTam^ice 19:43, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Wanksta

Der sould b somnthn on WANKSTAZ yo

Lame picture

Instead of this lame emulation of the ancient gangster appearance which would rather belong on hotchickswithdouchebags.com provided these three gentlemen were found in company of a cutie, could we replace this lame picture with either an actual photograph of one of these famous gangsters or at least a still from a gangster movie depicting accurately enough what this article is painfully trying to describe? --88.166.144.55 11:37, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Agree with the anon user and I have thus removed the image in question. I assume it was put there in good faith, but it adds nothing to the article and actually could be interpreted as a bit of a joke. If this article (which I'm not even sure we need to have) is going to include an image, it should be some sort of visual representation of an actual gangster or gangsters, not a random photo of a few fellows in suits affecting a (vaguely) gangsterish pose. Although there is probably something much better, this fair use photo of Al Capone (used in the Wiki article on him) would do nicely for this article, though again I'm sure there's a number of other options.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 07:25, 25 November 2007 (UTC)