Talk:California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

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Date of Completion of Cerro Vista

I'm changing the date of completion to 2003, because I'm pretty sure I was living in the Cerro Vista apartments between fall '03 and spring '04. mzellman 05:44, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

• I'd prefer for you to find and cite a source rather than relying on your memory of what "you're pretty sure" of. I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm saying that given that a question has been raised it, should be answered by citing a source. See WP:V Dpbsmith (talk) 16:20, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I was understating my certainty there. I resided in the Cerro Vista apartments from Fall 2003 to Spring 2004. There's a source here: [1] mzellman (talk) 01:21, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Athletics

I noticed this article doesn't mention anything about Cal Poly athletics, except for the 1960 plane crash and the templates at the bottom. Since the team competes in Division I in all (or most) sports, I believe athletics should get some mention here. I would start it, but I really don't know too much about the sports at school... Cowmeister88 07:35, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Song texts

It doesn't seem helpful or appropriate to have the text of the alumni and fight songs. I looked at a few other good university articles, and they did not have them. Basar 04:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Main Logo

Changed main logo to look more professional and similar to actual University logo. (Justsomeboi 23:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC))

Campus

This section claims that Cal Poly is the largest land-owning university in the State of California. I believe that in fact UC Berkeley is the largest land holder. Cal Poly's own website confirms this: http://www.calpoly.edu/aboutcp.html

Unless anyone objects I am going to make the relevant changes to that sentence.

Tjm402 (talk) 02:07, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Expansion

Added expansion section. All information based on Cal Poly Master Plan and Cal Poly Facilities and Planning. Edit: Fixed copywrite problems.(Justsomeboi 00:27, 3 July 2007 (UTC))

Colleges

Changed title of colleges to the official name of colleges. For example, Business is officially Orfaela College of Business. (Justsomeboi 00:35, 3 July 2007 (UTC))

Alumni

I think we need an alumni section as most universities have a section dedicated to memorable or noteworthy alumni.

Indeed, we have a whole article for it found in the see also section. Basar 01:41, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Images

Basar has a good point about removing the images and putting it in a commons section. However, I believe the main page should encorporate more images of the University. Removing the images takes away from the main page. Wikipedia users of USC, for example, have set out to put as many images representing the university as they can (without being repetative. I think its only repatative if the same structures are displayed. (Justsomeboi 01:08, 3 July 2007 (UTC))

It's fine to add more, but I think the USC article is quite excessive. There is a delicate balance that needs to be achieved when adding pictures. Furthermore, pictures ideally illustrate the text of the article which the current ones do not. For example, a picture of the campus from the 50s would be excellent for the history section. I personally like the image density of Boston, Massachusetts. Basar 01:52, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Student Life and ASI

Being that ASI is the main student government here in Cal Poly, employing hundreds of Cal Poly student, I think and ASI section should be added. I'll try to work on that section. Also Student Life should be exapnded being that the activities and extra curriculars that Cal Poly offers help define the Cal Poly atmosphere and give readers a better glimpse of the "personality" of Cal Poly and its students, faculty, and stuff. Such topics that could be covered could be the large intramural fields, traditions (such as P being lit during games), recreation center, Week of Welcome, and emphasis on the many clubs in Cal Poly. (Justsomeboi 15:47, 17 July 2007 (UTC))

Rankings

The USNEWS rankings are now updated with the 2008 ranking. Good job to cal poly for continuing and increasing its academic excellence! (Justsomeboi 20:25, 18 August 2007 (UTC))

Cal Poly Infobox

Most universities on Wikipedia have a large infobox on the bottom of their article with a list of all the schools and such. Cal Poly Pomona just added one to their entry. How can we make one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.184.105 (talk) 22:10, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Yes of course, you'll first have to create an account, then create a page at Template:California Polytechnic State University and copy and paste in the code from Template:California State Polytechnic University, Pomona, and then you can modify the code to suit Cal Poly. When it is complete, you can put it on the Cal Poly articles by adding {{California Polytechnic State University}}. You can find some of the other Cal Poly related articles at Category:California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo—there seems to be about six or seven already created articles that can go in the template. More can be created too. I'll help you if you need any help. -- Basar (talk · contribs) 00:33, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

All right I made an infobox based on the CSU Pomona infobox. Please help in editing it and finding Cal Poly articles that can be added to the infobox. Thanks to Basar to the instructions on adding one! (Justsomeboi 23:23, 2 September 2007 (UTC))

Commonly used names of the university

Note: I am copying over a discussion thread from my talk page to the article talk page to allow more editors to weigh in. Thanks, Alanraywiki (talk) 14:13, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello. I respectfully object to your reversion of my edit in the Cal Poly article, and stand by my position on the naming of the school. As I do not want the incorrect information that you have re-inserted into the article to remain, how do I go about changing the situation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.57.143.208 (talk) 05:51, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I think we need to differentiate between what the university considers correct usage of the name and, as the first sentence states, what it is "commonly called". It is called just Cal Poly per their style guide and probably by those on the Central Coast. However, those outside of the area, including the CSU system itself, commonly refers to the university as Cal Poly San Luis Obispo or Cal Poly SLO. In fact, section 89005 of the Education Code refers to the name "California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo." I do not recall ever seeing it Cal Poly at San Luis Obispo. My edit, with its reference (which you removed), still stands. Alanraywiki (talk) 15:02, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I believe the university knows what it's own name is, as shown clearly in the reference listed--which you removed. I think we should get an administrator involved in this matter. How do we do so? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.57.143.208 (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Your reference is still there . . . see note 3. And the first step to resolving this issue would be to move this discussion from my talk page to the article talk page to allow more editors to weigh in. I will copy this thread over. Alanraywiki (talk) 14:10, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

"I believe the university knows what it's own name is". Priceless.--Dabackgammonator (talk) 01:31, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Keep in mind in the article, CSU San Luis Obispo, CSU SLO, are not official names nor are they commonly used names, as far as I know such titles are used more so by individuals wishing to harm the prestige of Cal Poly or use the university prestige to boost prestige of other university in the CSU system. Therefore referencing such names to Cal Poly would not be NPOV as such titles are not used commonly nor officially. I still think it is outrageous editors of the CPP page are using biased, misinterpreted data for admissions rate. Simply, content between the universities exist because there is a significant difference of difficulty in admissions between the two universities (officially 68% vs 33%) from acceptance rate and gpa of accepted students. Such content can be seen in large facebook groups: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=2200368459 . Justsomeboi (talk) 05:55, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Focusing only on the name issue, I'd like to offer an outside opinion from the point of view of someone with no connection to the CSU system. Far from being evidence of malicious intent, the frequent, confused use of incorrect names for campuses within the California State University system should be seen as an understandable symptom of the drastically inconsistent naming conventions used within CSU. UC campus names have been fairly straightforward since Southern Branch was renamed: the formula is invariably "University of California, Somewhere [abbreviate as necessary]." CSU, on the other hand, given its development as the gradual amalgamation of all the other public universities in California, has no discernable, set formula, and those not intimately familiar with the PR materials put out by a given campus will often have to make a best guess as to what the hell to call the place.

A campus could be called "California State University, Somewhere," in line with the UC naming formula, or it could be called "Somewhere State University" -- but not both at the same time. Campuses with one of those two arrangements may have used the other arrangement at some point in the past, but then switched to the other. Then you have the utterly confusing California State Polytechnic University and California Polytechnic State University, one of which apparently spawned the other, but which are now totally separate, other than that Charles B. Reed is Chancellor over both, and both report to the same Board of Trustees. Of these two schools using a permutation of "University," "California," "State," and "Polytechnic" for their names, only one is allowed to call itself "Cal Poly" without a disclaimer, apparently on the basis of seniority. But don't dare call either of them "CSU," because, even though they're campuses of the California State University, they're really not all that really, really, you know? Throw on top of that a campus whose name can't be spelled correctly without a special character unavailable on standard, US English keyboards and a total wild card like the California Maritime Academy, and you have a recipe for thoroughly confused outsiders.

So -- please don't take offense at the occasional faux pas. If this naming issue is as important as the heated response to it indicates, then it is worth a detailed explanation of what names are proper, what names incite consternation, and why; preferably in the History section. There is a perfect place to air out the naming issue for this campus under California Polytechnic State University#Relationship with Cal Poly Pomona (a section that should be mirrored at California State Polytechnic University, Pomona). Now, who has some sources to get us started? --Dynaflow babble 11:29, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

The reason the Cal Poly Pomona and Cal Poly naming becomes a heated debate does not stem from Cal Poly being commonly referenced to as CSU San Luis Obispo but because the original Cal Poly Pomona article failed to state that the term "Cal Poly" without the location designator is officially wrong. The general population in Southern California does not even know that Cal Poly is truly referenced Cal Poly San Luis Obispo nor do they even know such a university exists. The wikipedia article has the responsibility to make it clear that such naming conventions refers to the university in San Luis Obispo. Now the use of CSU San Luis Obispo is officially wrong and not commonly used, when used, as shown in the citation from a university with only relation to Cal Poly by being part of the CSU (biased sources), it is used in a erroneous way. Shall we list all the minor errors that the university is rarely called such as Cal Poly Slow, Polytechnic institute, and so on?

Naming convention of Cal Poly should stick to common and official terms used. Obviously editor of the naming convention does not know commonly used names of the university as such person has no affiliation to the university as he/she stated. (Justsomeboi (talk) 06:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC))

The fact that Cal Poly is a CSU is never hidden, the article's first statement: "California Polytechnic State University, officially recognized as Cal Poly,[3] is a nationally ranked public university located in San Luis Obispo, California, USA. Cal Poly is one of the 23 general purpose campuses of the California State University system (CSU) and is the second largest land-holding university in California." clearly defines cal poly as a CSU. Saying that CSU San Luis obispo is an official name/common name, when it is not, is misleading and misguided. If Cal Poly used www.csusanluisobispo.edu as a website URL then it would be a different story, but it does not. (Justsomeboi (talk) 01:42, 10 October 2008 (UTC))

Your last argument doesn't hold up: Cal Poly Pomona uses www.csupomona.edu, despite that not ever having been an official name ("mistakes were made").--Curtis Clark (talk) 05:28, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I am not affiliated with Cal Poly Pomona and therefore would not know all their official names, common names, or correct identification associated with the university, as you are affiliated with that university and know their identification is not CSU Pomona then edit that article accordingly. However, as for Cal Poly, CSU San Luis Obispo is not a correct name, official name, nor common name. As stated, you might as well include every type of incorrect names Cal Poly has been titled. However, quality wikipedia articles do not include such irrelevant information. (Justsomeboi (talk) 05:36, 11 October 2008 (UTC))

I revised the name section in an attempt to cover all bases. Is there anything more that should be added? --Dynaflow babble 09:47, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Your revision gives a great npov describing the name identity of the university. (Justsomeboi (talk) 20:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC))

I think both this article and the Cal Poly Pomona article are biased and plagued with peacock terms. I saw in both talk pages and page history that a group of editors treat this project as a battleground. They just reflect how ignorant and closed minded students at both universities are.--76.175.187.51 (talk) 03:00, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Do you have some specific examples of unsourced peacock terms (in either article) so that they may be addressed? Thanks, Alanraywiki (talk) 03:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

The only battle going on here is trying to find NPOV and accurate ways to depict the naming convention of the university which stemmed from CPP article confusion of using Cal Poly without the reference designator. Unless you can show direct peacock terms that need to be corrected then point them out. There is no question of neutrality in terms of any other sections. I think dynaflow's edit is one everyone can agree on.

Please read Wikipedia:NPOV dispute before removing the NPOV tag.--76.175.187.51 (talk) 21:29, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Please sign your posts. Also note: "The note should address the problem with enough specificity to allow constructive discussion towards a resolution, such as identifying specific passages, elements, or phrasings that are problematic." You have not provide any explanation to which part of the article is NPOV. The article may have been NPOV just 2 days ago (under name section), but I believe editors of this page have come to a consensus on a NPOV article. Please ensure you know what the NPOV tag is for, before adding it. Clearly show us where peacock terms are located so we may all find a way to achieve a fully NPOV article. Otherwise, your abusing the NPOV tag. (Justsomeboi (talk) 22:44, 12 October 2008 (UTC))

Due to the fact there is no basis for the NPOV tag, and the accuser has not stated a specific reason or a valid reason at that, I will remove the NPOV tag. (Justsomeboi (talk) 21:49, 13 October 2008 (UTC))

As I remember it, Sacramento decided that one would be CPSU and the other would be CSPU. SLO's university president went to Sacramento the day of the decision and made sure they got CPSU and it's copyrighted. That's why you'll never see "Cal Poly" on anything from Pomona. (if this helps give research direction)76.209.221.203 (talk) 03:48, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Student Life

Much more happens in the university than the greek organization or residence halls. Topics noteworthy of mention include the many clubs on campus, university hour, Week of Welcome, Open House, Recreation on campus, student impact on the city of San Luis Obispo, and ASI (student government). Anyone with information on this want to help on expanding the student life section? (Justsomeboi (talk) 08:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC))

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