Talk:Heat (1995 film)

The Bearer Bonds debate

I wonder if any HEAT fans have been puzzled by the fate of Van Zandt's Bearer Bonds. On the IMDB discussion boards there was a "heated" disagreement on whether or not Van Zandt received his Bonds 1st before sending his men to the drive-in to hand Neil his 60% payoff on the bonds. Some believe this to be true...others argue that the Bonds never reached the hands of Van Zandt's people and that he was only interested in killing Neil to send a message about stealing from him. Has anyone else been confused by this?

It never occurred to me that Van Zandt might have gotten the bonds. That was the purpose of the drive in meet, to do and exchange. The crew would never have handed over the bonds before getting payment for them. CynicalMe 01:19, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

This never occured to me either... Although the theory is interesting. I agree that the crew would not have handed over the bonds before getting payment. Misterboston

Hey

Please give credit where its due by adding Danny Trejo's character

McCauley "Qoutes"

On the main page there are two quotes by McCauley, but I have no recollection of those quotes being used in the movie.

The first quote is spoken to Eady, at her place, after the disastrous bank robbery, in reference to the death of Cherrito (Tom Sizemore). The second quote is in the trailer, maybe not in the final cut, will have to check. These quotes hardly add to the quality of the article anyway. Slowmover 15:28, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

L.A. Takedown

I've just given Heat's precursor, L.A. Takedown its own entry as I felt it needed one. If anybody else has more information on it please feel free to add more to it. -- J.D. 12:11, 30 April 2006

Guns used in Heat

Just wondering if someone can identify what shotguns is used by Mykelti Williamson's character in the shootout scene and what by Wes Studi's character in the hotel door breaching scene?

Thats a great point! I wondered why on the elivator Study ejects his rounds from his shotgun, and then load more. I believe he loaded breaching rounds, which are lead powder encased in wax. These are used to break the hindges of doors without harming anybody inside.

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Xander Berkley-Ralph

It's a Mossberg 500 - I've added The guns of Heat[1] to the External Links section. Here's the bit about the Mossberg. [2] Crserrano 01:52, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

New Images....

Hey guys i wanted to add some screenies I took myself to this article just to expand it a little and give it some appeal and hopefully interest in the movie...;).

Tell me what you think. Btw, if they are not displaying correctly or I have done something wrong, do notify me.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Booboo12 (talk • contribs)

Too many pictures

I like the screenshots, especially the one of pacino going nuts ("She's got a great ass"!), but I think there are way too many screenshots, and the captions are mini paragraphs. This is my favorite movie, but I think they make it look way too cluttered. CynicalMe 19:05, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, I fixed the copyright tag on your screenshots. You put many of them under "I created this.." license, but in fact you don't own the copyright, they belong under the "movie screenshot" fair use tag. CynicalMe 19:07, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

North Hollywood Shootout

The authorities that investigated what's known as the North Hollywood shootout believe that the two suspects used the shootout scene in Heat as training and inspiration. Does anyone think its inappropriate to mention that fact in this article?

That is true, i know alot about the North Hollywood shootout, and yes they did use Heat as a training video, i think its worth mentioning it, Dep. Garcia 20:56, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Do Pacino and DeNiro appear in the same shot?

My recollection from the 1995 theatrical release is that they do, briefly. And the IMDb trivia says:

<< Many viewers claim that Robert De Niro and Al Pacino never (or hardly ever) actually share screen time during the film, despite the hype surrounding the films release as showcasing their first screen appearance. In most Pan and Scan versions of the film, and TV broadcasts, it does appear that during the "diner scene" the two never actually share the screen, but viewing the film in correct letterbox format, as the director intended, clearly shows the two actors sitting at the table, though only in wide shots. >>

Good enough for me. Ribonucleic 13:57, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

In almost every shot of them talking, you can see the back of whoever's head isn't talking in the forerground. I don't know if that actually counts, but I thought I would mention it. Kingdok 23:45, 11 May 2007

Thief ?

Surely it's more accurate to describe De Niro's character as a Robber than a Thief? --Charlesknight 22:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Gun porn?

Do we need the weapons list? Who cares about that besides gun spotters? What is it's purpose in a general readers Encylopedia? --Charlesknight 23:27, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes we need such thing? Where is it? Have you deleted that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.147.116.153 (talk • contribs) 19:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC).

Maybe leave it in for a trivia section? Whoever created must have spent a decent amount of time documenting it. Chupper 02:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

indeed we do need it , you shouldn't have removed someones hard work in documentation without first discussing it , the reason why we need it is incase you haven't noticed , majority of michael mann's films are extremely realistic when it comes to firearms and firefights. proof can be seen in that film's like collateral , HEAT and miami vice all had the actors go under extensive training in weapon handling techniques and battle-field/urban combat tactics. nto only this , but also i believe michael mann specifically does this to make sure audiences not only understands how fear inducing and deadly firearms and firefights can be , but also that if characters did what they typically do in most action films , they would be dead , extremely quickly. it can be seen on the HEAT dvd's special features in a interview with the audio members that michael mann was determined to have the "right" sound for firearms in the film. also another reason why they use full load blanks. does anyone have a copy of the orignial list? Thecoldness 12:20, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I came looking for gun info and I couldn't find it. And I'm someone who knows nothing about guns. Put it back!

I've added The guns of Heat[3] to the External Links section. Crserrano 01:56, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Why has so much info been deleted

What happend to all the information? Who are these people deleteing it? Its happening all over wikipedia on movie pages, people delete trvia and interesting facts. WHY? Since when is too much information bad??? This is Wikipedia, not Britancia for gods sake! People like this web-site simply becasue it does provide a lot of information that others wont.

    Yeah, the trivia is what I come here for. I know what the film is about. Don't cut the  
    interesting stuff

Trivia is discouraged by Wikipedia and the only "trivia" that was on the page was comparing the ending scene to a scene from another movie and noting that it "seemed" like it was inspired from it. If you want trivia, go to IMDB. Slinky317 (talk) 17:50, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Slinky317 may be right, but his tone and attitude toward new comers is what turned me off of editing Wikipedia. It's fine that he believes in the editing standard as it applies to trivia, but telling new folks to 'go to IMDb' is the same as telling someone to leave Wikipedia. Why not direct these new or uniformed folks to the appropriate policy pages so they can raise their concerns there. Or is it just easier to snipe someone's hard work? Creating an inviting atmosphere is one of the many ways that editors can encourage new thoughts, ideas and the continuation of Wikipedia.72.23.80.194 (talk) 03:09, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Here's more trivia

Heat is based on some real life experiences, but I don't have time to add this now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU5Rfm57XFY&NR=1 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.210.45.20 (talk) 04:35, 8 May 2007 (UTC).

Fair use rationale for Image:Heatposter.jpg

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Fair use rationale for Image:Heatposter.jpg

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Fixed. Rationale given. --J.D. 18:46, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

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North hollywood shootout

Could someone write a quick para and link to the North hollywood shootout which was apparently inspired by the bank robbery/gun battle in this film? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.207.2.2 (talk) 16:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Plot summary

I've trimmed the plot summary extensively, but it's still too long at about 1140 words. --Tony Sidaway 21:09, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 22:18, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

removed section about 'sequel' (a game)

Took this out on suspicion of OR, fancruft, totally unsourced, crystall balling and advertisement

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Though it was only a moderate success when it hit theaters in 1995, Heat has developed a devout cult following. Its deep characters, clockwork-like plot, and intense violence have earned director Michael Mann's three-hour-long crime epic many fans, more than a few of which are game developers. Indeed, the ultradifficult bank robbery level of Grand Theft Auto: Vice City was a direct homage to the film, featuring copies of the hockey-mask-and-coverall disguises worn in the beginning of Heat and re-creating its violent street-shootout denouement.

Now, it appears Heat will be getting a more direct game adaptation. Today, the hybrid entertainment company Titan Productions announced that it has reached a deal with Regency Entertainment, the Hollywood production company that owns the rights to Heat, to publish a game based on the film for "next-generation consoles" in 2007.

According to Titan Productions, Mann is in talks with Gearbox to oversee the game's development. There's also a good chance that many of the movies' stars will be lending their voices and likenesses to the game. Titan claims it is in "advanced stages with representatives for Robert De Niro, Al Pacino, and Val Kilmer to be part of the video game sequel."

According to a statement by Titan, Heat: The Game will be a prequel or sequel to the film. If the game is a sequel, De Niro's character, Neil McCauley, will appear in flashback, perhaps in the form of training missions. If Pacino declines to get onboard, it would be a sequel that would have a new detective chasing down McCauley's crew.

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It may be reinsertable as a footnote paragraph with sources. MickMacNee (talk) 11:48, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Removal of "Similarities to Collateral" section

I agree with this removal because the assertion of similarity is based purely on original research. In particular, critical appraisals such as interpretation of the theme of a film should cite a reliable source. The decision to put weight on matters which may be superficial (the occurrence of the name Vincent in both films, for instance) should also be sourced. Without a source it's reasonable to conclude that the emphasisput in the article may be unjustified. If Mann has discussed the purported similarities in writings or in interviews, or the similarities have been remarked in critical appraisals in reliable secondary sources, then we can mention those facts. --Jenny 12:52, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

You are frankly wrong, and have completely misunderstood the purpose of the original research policy. The source for all "claims" are the films themselves, which is specifically allowed as being primary source material. The "claims" of similarity are not outrageously POV statements that require third party independant sources, which is what reliable sourcing is truly for, not to support banal fact checking. In fact there are no claims or assertions being made at all, just factual primary source based observations. As such, they possibly come under the rules against trivia, but even that is a weak claim given the strong intersections here. I fail to see what this ridiculously over-zealous campaign is hoping to achieve with regard the aims of wikipedia. Frankly, you and the others seriously need to go and find something better to apply your policy wonkery to, as you haven't achieved anything of great merit with this removal without discussion, but you have reinforced the self evidently poor interpretations of what is important to Wikipedia in other less experienced editors watching, and who infact actually look to have initiated this lame edit war in the first place, over a section that was stable for a very long time. MickMacNee (talk) 13:14, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I removed it again as its clearly trivia and original research. From the comment here and the article's edit history that's clearly the consensus of the editors. Please do not try to own this article Mick. Seek consensus before re-inserting the section. Aaron Bowen (talk) 07:09, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not owning this article, it is not my problem of so many people clearly don't have a good enough grasp of policy. Quite clearly with the same director this is clearly not trivia, but no doubt none of you are big enough to admit you are clueless, note even the lack of a reply from "Jenny". MickMacNee (talk) 10:20, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow

this page used to be alot bigger and had more images, alot more. Seems like somone didnt use the proper rationale, someone else could do it though? It was a really cool article, pretty bare now. ΤΕΡΡΑΣΙΔΙΩΣ(^Ταλκ) 01:00, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately there are restrictions on image use, basically you have to come up with a good reason to use an image. To be completely honest, often times you need a phoney baloney, contrived explanation as to why the image is desperately needed. Aaron Bowen (talk) 08:02, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I guess but I also mean there used to be a lot more information, like a proper look at Manns thinking behind the film and the importance of the music (Heat (soundtrack)). now its about a third of what it was, its a shame and I do not get why it was almost all taken off. ΤΕΡΡΑΣΙΔΙΩΣ(^Ταλκ) 19:25, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Subtle Mistake

Yesterday, I changed in the plot summary "Together, the two men share a final, quiet moment of reflection and understanding as McCauley dies." to "Together, the two share a final, quiet moment of reflection and understanding as McCauley dies." as both subjects of the sentence are not both males. 129.97.185.42 (talk) 20:02, 17 September 2008 (UTC)