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True Assassin

First off I will state that yes, this is a very large nomination. However all the articles share the same issue: they have all existed very long term in this state with *no* improvement whatsoever, and no effort to push for notability. Upon research, sources have only turned up for a few of the characters alone, and they are excluded from this nomination. Salvageable information can be combined into a list, however given the number of merge targets any such proposal is best handled here than via singular articles. Kung Fu Man (talk) 05:46, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Per nomation, suggesting the following also be deleted:

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletions. Kung Fu Man (talk) 05:51, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. —-- Nomader ^(Talk) 06:15, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Articles do not meet WP:N, contain almost no WP:RS. Fair use images in the articles should be deleted as well. -- Nomader ^(Talk) 06:20, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all None of these meet WP:N. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 07:11, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge – to List of Fate/stay night characters. Probably the best way to go about this. Keep Saber (Fate/stay night), one of the major characters in the series. See [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. Other characters that can assert notability are Shirō Emiya, Archer (Fate/stay night), and Rin Tōsaka. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 07:50, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The points brought up for Saber are suitable. Retracting her article from the AfD.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 08:00, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge: Per sephiroth bcr. -- Goodraise (talk) 09:23, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge as suggested. Kudos to nom for being reasonable on withdrawing Saber, the remainder are not notable enough for separate articles. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 16:57, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per all versions of WP:FICT, nominator's suggestion, and consensus that this is the best way to handle individually non-notable elements of a notable franchise. —Quasirandom (talk) 17:15, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, as the characters are from a fairly well-known series of games as well as an anime series released domestically in the US. However, I'll vote Merge as long as the information is indeed MERGED, not merely deleted and the names redirected. Nezu Chiza (talk) 17:22, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the individual entries on List of Fate/stay night characters. I'm not see much worth keeping/merging. The articles are mostly game guides. The individual characters have not received significant coverage by sources independent of the works, or those producing the works. --Farix (Talk) 23:07, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge as suggested. Edward321 (talk) 00:42, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - The majority of each of the pages are cruft, and they seem to be succinctly covered in the list article. --Izno (talk) 00:43, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, Seems a lot of people are under the impression this is from "a" video game. The series reuses the same main charactors in many diffrent media forms, from the first game, it's sequal, the anime series, manga, and light novel, and even an upcomming fighter game released by Capcom.
That's not the concern here though. These characters are not supported by notability as defined by Wikipedia, which says there need to be reliable secondary sources to establish that these articles should remain on Wikipedia. Without those sources, it's generally agreed that, if they are part of a long running series, or one that is supported by other media, it's best to merge them to a list and then redirect. As these articles don't have reliable sources, it would seem best to upmerge them. I'm not sure if you're confused on some point or if there's another issue at hand, or something else. --Izno (talk) 03:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I was implying people were looking in the wrong places for reliable sources; just as game info. There's a lot of info on each of these pages that would have to be condenced if merged, or you would have some very long pages. I'm not one to bother looking for other sources mind you ;), but I'm just saying I don't think people were looking for the sources in the right areas, since there's so many diffrent forms of media these cover. If there was any merging, then all the classes should at least be kept seperate, with True Assassin being plased in with assassin.
You're being a bit hypocritical when you say "[...]people were looking in the wrong places for reliable sources;[...]" followed by "I'm not one to bother looking for other sources [...]". From what I can tell, the onus is on those who wish to keep articles like these to provide the sources, while it is merely being polite for everyone !voting to delete or merge to assemble sources for you (plural). As for what could be kept separate, again, the choice isn't defined by us, but by what the reliable sources cover. If there's nothing out there to support independent articles, everything gets merged or deleted if that is what consensus comes up with. As for condensing, I don't see anything worth merging either, which is why I !voted to straight up redirect. You may feel free to keep your keep !vote, but there is little to back it up from what I can see. --Izno (talk) 17:29, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Mege all as suggested. McWomble (talk) 09:50, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per WP:WAF guidelines. Almost nothing to merge. Small amount of referenced out-of-universe material (voice actors, etc) can be easily included in the parent article/s. Marasmusine (talk) 14:46, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
One cannot [[Wikipedia:Merge and delete|merge and delete' at the same time. It's either one or the other, or we combine the page histories in the target articles. The latter takes too much time (imo), so that's why the articles should be straight redirects if you're going to say "include some of the info in the parent articles". --Izno (talk) 17:29, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Destroy them all! — all articles contain nothing but game guide material, excessive plot summaries/descriptions, or otherwise unverifiable original research. There is nothing here to merge or redirect. MuZemike (talk) 18:18, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is NOT a game guide. Reading this article will NOT help you throughout the actual play of Fate / Stay Night. This article is here for reference only. 75.174.186.124 (talk) 18:37, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge all in the spirit of compromise between the nominator and other Wikipedians. Would also support deleting all of them if we can safely conclude that this cannot be improved to meet our guidelines. But I'd be comfortable postponing that for a later decision, on a later article, if there is consensus that there is WP:POTENTIAL here. Randomran (talk) 19:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 *:One cannot ''[[Wikipedia:Merge and delete|merge and delete''' at the same time. It's either one or the other, or we combine the page histories in the target articles. The latter takes too much time (imo), so that's why the articles should be straight redirects if you're going to say "include some of the info in the parent articles". --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 17:29, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 *'''[[Salamander (video game)|Destroy them all!]]''' — all articles contain nothing but [[WP:GAMEGUIDE|game guide material]], excessive [[WP:PLOT|plot summaries/descriptions]], or otherwise [[WP:V|unverifiable]] [[WP:OR|original research]]. There is nothing here to merge or redirect. <font color="#063">[[User:MuZemike|MuZemike]]</font> (<font color="#063">[[User talk:MuZemike|talk]]</font>) 18:18, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
+*:This is NOT a game guide. Reading this article will NOT help you throughout the actual play of Fate / Stay Night. This article is here for reference only. [[Special:Contributions/75.174.186.124|75.174.186.124]] ([[User talk:75.174.186.124|talk]]) 18:37, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * '''Merge all''' in the spirit of compromise between the nominator and other Wikipedians. Would also support deleting all of them if we can safely conclude that this cannot be improved to meet our guidelines. But I'd be comfortable postponing that for a later decision, on a later article, if there is consensus that there is [[WP:POTENTIAL]] here. [[User:Randomran|Randomran]] ([[User talk:Randomran|talk]]) 19:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)