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shiren the wanderer image

Why did you remove the cover image from the "Shiren the Wanderer" article? My impression was that the cover image or the title screen image was the best image to include in video game articles. Is this incorrect? Luvcraft (talk) 16:24, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

The article is not exclusively about the DS version. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:52, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Even though the DS version is the only one that's been released outside of Japan? Luvcraft (talk) 20:26, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

But then what would be an appropriate image? Surely not a screenshot, since that would only be from one of the systems. Luvcraft (talk) 21:52, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

UPDATE: I've reverted your edit, because on further consideration this IS the best image to use for this article on the English Wikipedia, because it is the cover of the only version of the game released in English. For precedent, see Flower, Sun, and Rain, which uses the European DS box art as the image because that is the only English-language release of the game, even though it was released in Japanese for the PS2. Luvcraft (talk) 02:09, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

List of PSP games

It really helps if you discuss such a large edit before making it, especially the second time. If you are going to say "the information is in the articles", then why have the page at all? All of the information is in the separate articles. The point of a list is to bring similar information together instead of having to look at separate pages. If you are that determined to remove the information, then I guess we need more opinions. And I see that you also made drastic edits to other game list pages. MrKIA11 (talk) 00:43, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

This is the kind of content that causes lists to have a column for genre, 3D or 2D, and Gender of main character. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:44, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

What is that supposed to mean? If you are saying it is trivial, then I disagree. The multiplayer capabilities are possibly the most important feature of any handheld console. MrKIA11 (talk) 00:47, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

We're talking about a list of games, not the platform itself. The article is 100KB, so either we split the article, a last resort, or trim the unnecessary content. List of Nintendo DS games is a manageable article that relies on nothing but the basics because that is what is important. Gamesharing = important now, why? Number of players = important now, why? Release date is for reference sake, developer and publisher is for reference sake, and regions released is for reference sake. There's nothing referential about the # of players - that's too trivial of information, because it's of use to someone who has played it or wants to play it, while the above mentioned important information is of more use than that. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:51, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I went ahead and just took it to WT:VG instead of us arguing, since that could last forever. MrKIA11 (talk) 00:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I concur with KIA. The list of psp game information is fine the way it is. Tons of people play multiplayer and that last column is extremely helpful. And, with all due respect, your logic would indicate we need to have a giant list of game titles with absolutely no information at all other then a link.

The purpose of a wiki is to provide thorough information. With a list, that means getting the needed information at a quick glance. And you should never ever confuse 'trivial' information with 'useful' information. Knowing the gender of the main character is a very unimportant point for a game list. It's trivial...cosmetic if you will. But knowing if I can play against someone else or if AdHoc is available...that deals with the functionality of my playing and is thus important.

My vote is for the list to stay as-is.

--ZeroAccend (talk) 06:45, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

They are game mechanics, NOT necessary aspects. They can and mostly are available in category form. You, in fact, are the one who is confusing something - in this case, you're confusing "useful" for meaning "necessary". A list of games rated by the ESRB for the Virtual Console is "useful", but not "necessary". - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:57, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I just read the thread on the VG talk page, and that basically sums up my thoughts also. MrKIA11 (talk) 21:13, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Flagicons

I understand why you have taken down all of the ratings, but why the flagicons. Those templates are there to identify regions and they are free images. The text alternative looks really messy. Bovineboy2008 (talk) 01:34, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Because it makes the size of the article way too big, and it takes too long to load these images. Flagicons disregard the many people who don't have a good connection. - A Link to the Past (talk) 07:19, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Banjo Kazooie characters

I have reverted your massive changes to the Banjo Kazooie articles with regards to characters (I did leave the changes you made about game guide content though). You made zero attempt at discussion prior to these changes. Someone even tried to start a discussion here, but you seem to have either missed it or are deliberately ignoring it. Please talk about these changes, why you think these changes need to be made, and come to a consensus before editing the page in that way again. Thank you. --13² 21:03, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Scribblenauts

I don't know where to start really with it, since the article is clearly, well, incomplete... I will point out that I don't like the usage of "imagined" as it is in the development section. Conceived or other more formal terms seem a much better call. Also the presentation section seems useless, and better built into the gameplay section. Beyond that cleaning up the paragraphs a little could help all around. Wish I could be more help to ya. :\--Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:47, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Multiple accounts

Hi. Do you think you could change your signatures in the discussion on Talk:List of PlayStation 3 games so that all of your comments have the same signature? It would make it easier to see where everyone stands. Cheers. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 08:52, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

List of Virtual Console games (North America)

Do NOT remove the ESRB ratings unless there is a consensus to remove them. As for your pointless comment about no discussion putting it in, the ESRB ratings have been in since the article was created over 2 years ago. So you can't just remove something which has been part of the article for over 2 years without any kind of consensus. TJ Spyke 23:40, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, you did a good job pointing that out - you failed to explain why trivia belongs on a list. And just curious, did you magically erase WP:BOLD? There was no indication that anyone would have opposed the ESRB ratings' removal. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 23:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

You could argue the same thing about anything else there. Why do we need the publisher? Why do we need the release date? Unlike with movies or TV shows, ratings are very important with video games and it makes sense IMO to include it in a list like this. Since the list is specifically for North America, we don't have to worry about space for other ratings like CERO or PEGI (which we would for articles that cover all regions). You could also wonder why do we need ratings in individual game articles. BTW, I was typing my above comment while you were adding a comment to mine (so that's why I didn't reply to what you said). TJ Spyke 23:44, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

One of the worst arguments is "well that applies to everything so we must delete everything!!" Almost every single list of video games mentions the publisher. And we need them in the articles because they're general information in an article, trivia in a list. We removed how much a VC game is because it's extra. A list should not venture into "useful information", and stick with "necessary information". A list should only make use of the general information - title, release, publisher. All lists in table format use that information, few use ESRB ratings. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 23:50, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Digimon

No, there's more articles for Digimon characters than there are for Pokemon's merged master lists. Not at all the same thing. Digimon's content-filled masterlists were kicked off of wiki. And yes, wikipedia does list every Pokemon available in Ruby and Sapphire, just not in that article - they have the in-depth masterlists for it. Digimon doesn't even get that.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 03:15, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

How are you assessing articles at the rate of 1 per second 3 per minute? (I read the time wrong, sorry.) :,(

I see many many MANY assessments, but I don't see comments as to what needs to be done. Is this a bot gone wild? Are you using a bot to post results from somewhere? Why is the only comment "Assessed". This seems wrong. I am reving out the change to EverQuest. If it is valid, please reapply, and leave something a wee bit more useful in terms of notes.
I am also probably reversing the assessment on EBTG... I don't understand why this performing duo is flagged as part of the VG project. sinneed (talk) 23:55, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I am not unhappy with either ranking, but with the lack of explanation on the articles... they won't be improved just by reflagging with no explanation... at all.

EBTG should not be part of VG... it is about a music duo. I have removed the VG flag, it was added by a bot. I do agree that it is a start-class article. All the best. :) sinneed (talk) 00:09, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, just note that I do not intend to contend with anyone on the class of the article - if anyone objects, I will give a thorough review. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 00:39, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Excellent, and thanks for adding the comments to the talk page. The HUGE number of articles that need assessment or reassessment pose a simply Herculean task. I am sure you don't do this for the appreciation of random editors, but Thank You, nevertheless. All the best! :) sinneed (talk) 00:54, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Mario Bros. GA

An appropriate award for improving a Mario article to GA — a Starman!

		The Nintendo Barnstar
		For bringing Mario Bros. to Good article status! MuZemike (talk) 02:29, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

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WQA

I have already told both of you to quit it twice, and you two keep going. Hence, I have no choice but to report this to Wikiquette alerts. Please resolve the dispute with a third party at Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts#User:Lord Sesshomaru and User:New Age Retro Hippie. Thank you, MuZemike (talk) 05:16, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Are you kidding?

If you wish to assess Breath of Fire and downgrade the rating, the least you can do is provide some minuscule idea as to what's lacking in its content. Writing "Assessed" in the edit history doesn't exactly suffice. Johnnyfog (talk) 17:50, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Though your amiable reply is appreciated, it still leaves the issue of you not simply announcing your assessment on the discussion page. I thought the idea was to make life easier for future editors? Even if it takes ten years, someone is bound to come along and follow your suggestions. There's really no excuse for not writing something, there are ways of doing these things. Johnnyfog (talk) 15:07, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Jawbreaker

None really needed for two of the images. They've been released to the public domain/on a creative commons license by their creators. If you look at the uploaders, they're the ones who created the games the pics are from. And the said games are freeware anyway. Shrumster (talk) 23:00, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

The images are there to show the different ports. Shrumster (talk) 23:03, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Ninja Gaiden

Would you explain why you chose to demote the article from B-Class to C-Class? I feel that it is fairly comprehensive with the exception of the Plot section, which I know needs some cleaning up. MuZemike (talk) 06:14, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

N64 List

Thanks for trying to make the List of Nintendo 64 games page better but if you read the talk page it has been decided that "All" alternate titles as long as not direct translations are to be listed, such things as Sonic Wings Assault and others they still need to be present, if you still wish to remove the alternate titles section you'll need to find a way to still incorporate them into the list. (Floppydog66 (talk) 14:44, 12 December 2008 (UTC))

The consensus for the List of Nintendo 64 games is that all titles unless exact translations are to be left on the list, if you wish to rearrange the titles and find another way to list all titles that is fine, if you wish to make other changes they should be talked about on its talk page, talk:List of Nintendo 64 games and a consensus reached before those changes are made. (Floppydog66 (talk) 12:56, 13 December 2008 (UTC))

Mass-reassessing of VG articles

I am bringing the matter of you mass-reassessing VG articles without giving any reason to WPVG's attention as I have not received any response as well as discoving many other such "sudden reassessments" in the contribs. MuZemike (talk) 17:39, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Your assessment methods

Dear editor,

I'd like you to explain some of your assessments to me, because they honestly puzzle me. Judging from your contributions, you assess many articles within the span of a few minutes. I don't think you can even read some of the articles you assess during that time, let alone have a careful assessment of them. Here's a few examples:

1. 1 minute after assessing another article, you assessed Pong as C-class. Could you give me some insight into your decision?
2. How can you assess two very long articles, PlayStation and PlayStation 2, in the same minute?
3. In what way is Doom (video game), another 1-minute assessment, a C-class article?

Please be aware that assessments don't actually mean anything. They are a tool to provide editors with feedback on their work, something you haven't done with any of your assessments, and something that is the norm for video game assessments. The way people use our assessments, and the quality they ascribe to it, stands and falls with the care and precision with which these assessments are conducted. Conducting several assessments of long articles within such a short timeframe as you've done, clearly not even reading the article, without leaving any feedback, is destroying the hard work several volunteers like Someoneanother, UnaLaguna and myself have put into making WP:VG assessments an appreciated thing within the video game article writing community.

Regards,

User:Krator (t c) 18:33, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:ESRB ratings.jpg)

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Mother 3

I reverted your largely unexplained edits to Mother 3 as I was not at all clear on why you felt the need to strike the Wikia link. When removing content, your edit "summary" really ought to have a real explanation in it - "Rm Wikia link" doesn't really cut it on its own if you want the edit to stand. There doesn't seem to be any sort of blanket ban of links to Wikia projects in WP:EL, and this particular Wikia link is linked elsewhere (Earthbound, etc) and has been for sometime, so simply stating that the link was to a Wikia project doesn't explain the deletion.

No response necessary if you were in error the first time round, but, if not, please post an explanation to Talk:Mother 3/Talk:Earthbound/whatever upon repeating the removal if it can't be crammed into a decent edit summary. MrZaius^talk 09:44, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Dragon Quest Hereos

I would be glad to help out. I'm not particularly a fan of the series, I'm just a part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Square Enix. ~ Hibana 20:08, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah, alright then. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 20:24, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Merger of Doom 3 and expansion

I've removed the tags for merging this, simply because there is an absolute ton of sources out there with which to write the article properly; examples for both a wealth of information for development and reception sections has been provided on the talk page. Merging would be entirely counterproductive, and "not very signficiant" is not a valid reason for a merge in these circumstances. It may not be very significant within the genre, but it is notable and very capable of a fully developed article, despite current quality. -- Sabre (talk) 23:04, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Space Invaders

The PSP boxart is just a identifiable due to it's tall and thin shape. I don't mind a cropped image being used (although the way the guidelines are written seems to apply to console games since console boxes are the shame shape, whereas handheld boxes are very different). DS boxes can be cropped with very little damage to the look. The guideline says to use a neutral box if possible. It's not possible with DS/PSP games since their shapes are so unique (it's easy with consoles). I have started a discussion on this on the style guideline page. I agree with the idea of boxarts without console identifies, but the DS/PSP boxarts prevent this from happening. TJ Spyke 01:05, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

It's not possible to have a neutral DS/PSP boxart. That's my point. Since we can't have a neutral boxart, there was no reason not to keep the boxart that had been up for over a year. Hopefully the other people at the project can make their opinions noted (the talkpage See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines#Boxart. Oh, I also cropped the DS box a little bit to make it better. TJ Spyke 01:19, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

So because there's any hint of what the box art is, we shouldn't bother to be neutral in which box art is used? Of the two cropped images, the PSP version is the most neutral image. With your image, you can either leave part of the logo on, making the art look odd or bad, or remove all indication of the logo, making the image shape completely unlike any other box shape. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 01:23, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Onechanbara

Hello LTTP, er, Hippie, just wanted to ask you about the new game being for both the 360 and Wii. Have you seen confirmation of the game being for both platforms or are you looking at Bikini Zombie Slayers which is the Wii game? I'm not 100% sure ATM, but apparently they're different games, the Wii version is Onechanbara R whereas the 360 game is Onechanbara: Vortex. They might essentially be the same thing, but I'm sure I read somewhere that is supposed to take place after the other. Thoughts? Someoneanother 03:21, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Nomination notability discussion

You've twisted my words out of context in the project discussion and wrongfully accused me of using underhanded and dishonest methods to argue my point on the AWDoR talk page. If this is how the discussion is going to progress, I decline to participate any further. I ask only that you apologize for insulting me on the AWDoR page, and I'll withdraw, I'll even readd the content to the AWDoR article myself. I just hope you realize your actions were wholly unnecessary, and this affair could have been conducted with much more civility. -- Commdor {Talk} 21:12, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

There was nothing minor about reverting someone's edits. There was no expectation that I would view them as minor, and an expectation that I wouldn't. How is it a summary of your edit if you fail to explain the edit in full? If you didn't intend to deceive, then I apologize, but you also must acknowledge that reversion of another user's edits isn't minor. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 21:30, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

I didn't mean the edit summary thing, that's moot, I'm talking about your statement "There is absolutely no consensus on whether a nomination can be considered notable, so I suggest you stop using that as an argument." Never once did I assert that there was a consensus in my favor (if there was, we wouldn't be here), and I don't appreciate being accused of downright lying when I never even said the lie. I knew full well there was no consensus, and so did you, that's why we were hashing out the issue. I'll accept your apology as if it were for this point, though, and wash my hands of the matter. I joined Wikipedia to edit, not dicker over policies and guidelines like half of everyone else here wants to do. -- Commdor {Talk} 00:40, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd just like to point out that you accused me of doing something I'm not too, in this edit summary[1], implying that I'm deliberately against adding information that would improve the article. Just because something is lacking information does not mean non-notable information can be added to fill the gap. Please don't revert again until consensus is formed at WT:VG. Thanks! Fin©™ 11:36, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm just pointing out fact - if a game wins zero awards, then the next best thing is to say what it was nominated for. We have nominations, and that's the only commentary for such games as Call of Duty: World at War for the DS. How can that not be commentary on its reception? - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 20:18, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Article

Hello, I won't undo your edit again but I really do not see what is wrong with having a list of updates and their features on the gran turismo 5 prologue article. Do you disagree?--John-joe123 (talk) 13:42, 27 December 2008 (UTC)