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I re-added some links posted by Yuber that CltFn deleted, and because I had added Yuber's, I felt I ought also to keep the one CltFn had added, which was this. However, I had only looked at the article at the top, and didn't realize there were comments underneath it, some of which are unacceptable, so I'm going to delete it again.

I also did a copy edit, slight restructuring, expanded the intro, and added an image. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 15:58, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

I've briefly protected this against the anon IP's vandalism. If we've edited an article, we're not meant to protect it in a content dispute, but we're allowed to if it's vandalism, and the addition of the VfD tag clearly was. I'll unlock it again soon. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 02:31, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Hello, I'm new here.

A question: if somebody takes the intellectual stance that Islam is a Nazi-like ideology, and Muslims the victims of religious/cultural brainwashing in their upbringing, isn't it natural that such a person might be phobic towards Islam? Nobody ever accused the anti-Nazis of being Naziophobic, for instance. I just wonder if the term Islamophobia isn't just a way of preventing any criticism from atheists about the religion itself. I bet that soon Christian fundamentalists will start calling all atheists Christianophobic to silence anyone who criticises or pokes fun at parts of Christianity...

(This message was deleted, with the claim that it was not revelvant to the previous discussions Islamophobia - a idiotic claim - and that I am "not new". I am new here. My IP address may have been set to this, but I am totally new to wikipedia. I have made none of the other edits attributed in the history page to this IP address, so I can only assume this portal is used by a vast amount of other internet users...)

AnonymousEditor wrote: “stop adding this material before you get another page protected.” Is that a threat dear AnonymousEditor? You don’t like Ali Sina and I don’t like Bin Laden, nonetheless we can’t censor the views of people we don’t like. This page is not about Ali Sina. This page is about Islamophobia. I have quoted several sources on this subject Ali Sina is one of them. “Faith Freedom International” returns 200,000 entries in Google search. What is your criterion for notability? [20:52 23 October 2005 OceanSplash)

But only 121 unique hits. [1] I'm not sure that Ali Sina can be used as a source for this article. He runs a personal website as an anonymous person, which means we can use him as a source about himself (and even then with caution), but we can't use him as a secondary source on anything else. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources. However, if Ali Sina were to be quoted by a newspaper saying these things, then we could use him. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 20:58, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

No that is not a threat dear OceanSplash. That is a warning and you should be smart enough to listen to it before engaging in revert wars with other editors. SV is right about it being a non-notable source. A google search will only give you a few unique hits, other hits could be from any other site containing the words: freedom, faith and international. I don't know why you want to add a promotion to your site in every article anyways. Wikipedia is not an advertisement site. Also I don't see how implying that I "like bin Laden" is going to help your case. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 21:05, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Dear SlimVirgin.I requested you to intervene and stop their war of revert. I said I keep adding and changing the site and all these Muslim do is revert with no explanation. I requested you to protect the page and said (this time please protect my version) last time you protected the Muslims’ version. This time you did the same. But checking your page I see you are Iranian. Are you a Muslim? Please restore my trust in Wikipedia. Are you sure that you are not also motivated by religious fervor? Can you explain why you always protect the site against me editing it and not the other way round? Is that by design? (OceanSplash 22:17 23 October 2005)

Ocean, could you please sign your posts to make the talk page easier to read? You generate your sig and date/time by typing four tildes, like this ~~~~ See Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages. In response to your earlier message, I left a note on your talk page [2] explaining about the need for good sources, so perhaps you could let me know your views on that. In fairness to you, I do think that some of the material you've added here is correctly sourced and should be allowed to stay, but that's just my opinion, and I'm not allowed to get involved in editing now that I've protected. I can make suggestions, but no one has to pay any attention. And I can assure you that I'm not motivated by religious fervor. ;-) SlimVirgin ^(talk) 22:26, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Excuse me, but all of us "evil Muslims" gave edit summaries and reasons for reverts. However, ofcourse, you didn't [3] Mr. Sina. Also you might want to realize that administrators can't carry out personal favors and protect the version you want them to. Thanks,-a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 22:28, 23 October 2005 (UTC) - Also don't delete my message next time; it is considered vandalism.

Thank you Slim for acknowledging that some of the material I posted have good sources. Can you please tell me which ones do not have good sources and why? You also did not tell me why you always protect the page favoring the Muslims. It is good to know you are not motivated by religious fervor. If you show that in action, I would be even more convinced. Thanks User:OceanSplash 22:24 23 October 2005)

I'd like to unprotect this, so it would be good if an agreement could be reached. In my own view, the material from Ali Sina should be deleted because he publishes on his own website. The Kenan Malik material was published in Prospect, and seems relevant, and Robert Spencer is a published author and the material is also relevant. Bahram Soroush seems like a notable source. The website No to political Islam seems a bit borderline to me. [4] However, Ocean, this is just my opinon, and because I've protected the page, I can't edit it; I can only make suggestions with a view to resolving the dispute. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 22:40, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm going to unprotect this page because OceanSplash has alleged that I'm abusing my admin powers by having protected the page and then having nominated Anonymous editor for adminship. He feels there's a conflict of interest because I'm currently "mediating" between AE and Ocean. [5] I'm not mediating here at all, of course, but because the allegation has been made, I'm going to unprotect. I'll ask another admin to keep an eye on the page. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 01:52, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

The wonders of Islam

Isn't it about time all those Islamophobic editors stop their criticism of Islam and observe the true tolerant nature of Islam. The wonders of Islam in Indonesia