Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 March 3

3 March 2009

Fred M. Levin

Fred M. Levin (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

Deletion not justified based on WP:PROF, discussion was tainted by spite and hostility Mwalla (talk) 22:23, 3 March 2009 (UTC)mwalla

• Endorse closure as delete, it seems to me a reasonable read of the consensus there. It simply doesn't look like there are sufficient sources to make a verifiable article, and any arguments that he passes the WP:PROF criteria seem to be borderline and disputed. Additionally, I have to say that most of the "spite and hostility" in the AfD seemed to be coming from you; considering the canvassing and unwarranted accusations of hounding/stalking. I cannot see much evidence that the close was incorrect or that anything underhanded was going on among those arguing to delete it. ~ mazca ^t|c 23:02, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I was accused of canvassing, but that does not mean that I did canvas. Why do you assume my allegation of hounding by Skeptical Chemist is "hostile" but his accusation against me of canvassing is not? Mwalla (talk) 23:12, 3 March 2009 (UTC)mwalla

Illegal number

Illegal number (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

Improper closing. There was no consensus on a redirect,but Yandman, however, then updated the page saying closed as redirect to Digital AACS encryption key controversy). Oddly, the Digital AACS encryption key controversy does not exist. I do not believe that the proper AFD procedure was followed, or somehow, human error came into play. Smallman12q (talk) 20:48, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I have created a redirect for Digital AACS encryption key controversy, but I still believe that the Afd was not handled properly.Smallman12q (talk) 20:50, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

• Comment - There have been two AfDs for this - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Illegal number back in 2007 which was indeed closed as keep by Ryan Postlethwaite, and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Illegal number (2nd nomination) closed today as redirect by Yandman. I haven't looked at the detail of either close as yet, but your statement seems to imply that someone changed the result of an AfD when no such thing seems to have happened. Could you clarify? ~ mazca ^t|c 20:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
• I hate to say it, but Yandman's close is very much against the community opinions put forward in the most recent AFD; I saw one suggestion for a merge, and the rest were either "keep" or "delete" opinions; his argument that the "keep" opinions didn't address the (voluminous, leaning towards tl;dr territory) nomination doesn't address that most of them pointed out the article was sourced properly and well written. There was definitely not any consensus for a redirect - matter of fact, I don't see a consensus there at all. Overturn and, optionally, reopen for further discussion to try and find a consensus. Tony Fox (arf!) 21:26, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
• As the instructions on the deletion review page indicate, many issues can be resolved by asking the deleting/closing administrator for an explanation and/or to reconsider his/her decision. While not strictly mandatory, this should normally be done first. Did you try, and if not, was there some special reason? Stifle (talk) 21:35, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

No I did not. I forgot. 0.o. I have notified him of this DRV now though. (My apologies on not first asking the closing admin.)Smallman12q (talk) 22:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

African Americans in Davenport, Iowa

African Americans in Davenport, Iowa (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

The Administrator mbisanz did not, in my opinion, consider the compromises put forth by more than one participant in the deletion discussion page. Personally, I would be more comfortable with someone other than this administrator making the decision. Having reviewed his contributions -- one of which is an advertising blurb for a bowling alley -- I don't think he is the person to decide notability. That was a central argument in the deletion discussion. Brrryce (talk) 19:18, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

• Fixed malformed listing. Stifle (talk) 20:13, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion. The number of arguments for and against deletion was roughly equal, and in such cases the admin closing the discussion should look to see whether significantly more of the arguments on one side of the debate than those on the other were based in policy. In this case, the arguments for deletion cited the policy Wikipedia:No original research, and none of the arguments to keep successfully refuted that point. Finally, ad hominem attacks against administrators or requests to recall admins who make one decision you don't agree with rarely get you anywhere. Stifle (talk) 20:18, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Template:Welcomeunclesam

Template:Welcomeunclesam (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

At the least, this is no consensus; if vote counting (yes, I know, evil, but for discussion...) there were 5 keeps to 3 opposes. I don't think that is a consensus to delete. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 03:25, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

• Endorse - I feel that JPG-GR made the correct call here. One of those keep votes does not even provide a rationale and so can be summarily dismissed. After looking at the discussion, it is clear that no one could respond to Black Falcon's argument of "What if it were a Hamas recruitment picture?" Perhaps this could be modified for something for WP:USA though. NuclearWarfare _(Talk) 03:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

This template was aimed at anons in particular which is not exactly the best group to recruit into a project. The image still survives, so if the project wants to make a template aimed at the general public who show interest in their project, it's fine with me. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:46, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

• Endorse as deleting admin None of the arguments for "keep" are convincing. And, as NW said, Black Falcon's Hamas argument was damning. JPG-GR (talk) 03:49, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
• Weak Relist - Yes, I know that the keep !votes were unconvincing to some or most, but there is still the issue of consensus, which, at least from my point of view, was not reached. For the sake of an uncontroversial deletion, let's just relist it so that we can reach consensus.--Res2216firestar 04:35, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
• Re-close. Out of respect to the participants, and to help the casual and future observers, close again with a decent rationale, explaining why the keep votes are to be discounted. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:28, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
• Endorse per WP:CSB. Stifle (talk) 09:43, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
• Endorse though the template was not intended as an expression of American militarism, the image certainly was, and its original significance is still widely known. Correct decision, but needs to be replaced. DGG (talk) 14:11, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
• Endorse closure as delete, though I do agree with SmokeyJoe that a closing statement should have been provided. This does, on first glance, look like a close-run discussion due to the large number of keep votes; but the fact is not a single compelling or policy-based argument was provided to support keeping this template, and several very good reasons to delete it were. Hence, the outcome definitely looks to me like the correct one, but as with any discussion that could be interpreted as a different outcome I think it would have been best to elaborate on the reasons behind the close. ~ mazca ^t|c 14:23, 3 March 2009 (UTC)